Pretty much all of B, C and D needs to be changed around/removed. So I wouldn't worry about nominating individual mons. We'll get to it, or maybe someone will clear it up: eventually.
Good.sure raikou isnt nearly what it once was but is it really worse than goodra lol...
anyways, Rotom-H should be moved down to B+. While it can be a pretty good switch-in to Victini and serve as a good mon on bulky offense due to its overall solid bulk on both sides, it gets worn down too easily due to its SR weakness, and, unlike Arcanine, a somewhat similar switchin to Victini (and arguably a better physical wall due to its ability, reliable recovery letting it switch in more than once), has to rely on Pain Split for recovery, which is never good in most scenarios. As for offensive sets, with the prominence of Blissey, who, can although be crippled with Trick, can take on practically any attack and wear it down.
i'm not too sure on sableye, as it's a complete fuck you to suicide leads, and can cripple a large portion of the tier with its solid support movepool, letting it deal with threats such as Slowbro, Blissey, Mew, Mega Aerodactyl, and other mons common on balance. However, with the growing popularity of Aromatisse (and well florges still exists i guess), to the firespam coming from mons such as Victini, Infernape, Darmanitan, and Mega Houndoom to an extent (while its obscure now for some stupid reason it takes a massive dogshit all over Sableye), as well as the dominance of Mega Absol who serves as a good check to non Foul Play variants...it's hard to say. Either it stays where it is or it goes to B+.
the problem with grandbull is like you said its speed as well as its complete lack of recovery. this makes it incredibly difficult for granbull to take a good hit more then once a match. this combined with its horrid speed makes it hard to justify granbull being any higher then C- since no recovery makes it super easily worn down for a wall, hindering it from doing its job much more then once or twice a matchId like to see Granbull on here from either B-/C+.
This mon has the rare Fairy typing, a good ability in Intimidate, great attack stat with 120, decent support moves in Heal Bell and Thunder Wave. Play rough and Earthquake provide amazing coverage, and with just 4 attack and an admant nature it beats 1v1 all of: Hydreigon, Scrafty, Mienshao, Lucario(physical), Heracross, Infernape, Machamp, Absol, Honchkrow, Goodra, Flygon, Noivern, Mega Ampharos, Umbreon, Krookodile, and Houndoom.
This is a pretty big portion of the tier, not to mention it beats lower tier threats like Virizion, Zoroark, Sharpedo, Hitmonlee, Druddigon, and a few others. Thunder wave also cripples Faster pokemon and switch ins, which do not appreciate the paralysis. Heal bell heals itself of any status, as well as its teammates.
Intimidate really gives Granbull a hand on beating physical mons, and just an example of its bulk, it only takes ~50 from CB Darmanitan.
Of course it has its flaws. Poison types mostly pose a threat, such as Roserade, Weezing, and Nidoking/Queen. It also has terrible 45 speed. I think it deserves B-, and C in the least.
the problem with grandbull is like you said its speed as well as its complete lack of recovery. this makes it incredibly difficult for granbull to take a good hit more then once a match. this combined with its horrid speed makes it hard to justify granbull being any higher then C- since no recovery makes it super easily worn down for a wall, hindering it from doing its job much more then once or twice a match
It's already B+ rank (preliminary, though)Id like to see Granbull on here from either B-/C+.
This mon has the rare Fairy typing, a good ability in Intimidate, great attack stat with 120, decent support moves in Heal Bell and Thunder Wave. Play rough and Earthquake provide amazing coverage, and with just 4 attack and an admant nature it beats 1v1 all of: Hydreigon, Scrafty, Mienshao, Lucario(physical), Heracross, Infernape, Machamp, Absol, Honchkrow, Goodra, Flygon, Noivern, Mega Ampharos, Umbreon, Krookodile, and Houndoom.
This is a pretty big portion of the tier, not to mention it beats lower tier threats like Virizion, Zoroark, Sharpedo, Hitmonlee, Druddigon, and a few others. Thunder wave also cripples Faster pokemon and switch ins, which do not appreciate the paralysis. Heal bell heals itself of any status, as well as its teammates.
Intimidate really gives Granbull a hand on beating physical mons, and just an example of its bulk, it only takes ~50 from CB Darmanitan.
Of course it has its flaws. Poison types mostly pose a threat, such as Roserade, Weezing, and Nidoking/Queen. It also has terrible 45 speed. I think it deserves B-, and C in the least.
Darmanitan OHKOs with sheer force rock slide, and outspeeds via scarf; Victini has a chance to OHKO with bolt strike (33% if I remember right), and guarenteed OHKO with bolt strike after stealth rocks, and also outspeeds via scarf. Mega-Aero does not check either of the two most popular fire types in UU right now. It can also, as you mentioned, check neither the bulky nor the scarf set for Rotom-H. It can check Arcanine and Entei, but not counter them. M-Aero isn't a "good" check to fire types in UU; it is unable to check the two most popular threats, Victini and Darmanitan, reliably.Mega-Aero is actually very good at checking all the fire types in the tier except arguably scarf-rotom (which doesn't actually OHKO with thunderbolt) because he can outspeed and OHKO all of them and the only way the Fire types can hurt Aero significantly is by locking themselves into a very weak unstabbed move. Also with Taunt and Roost Mega Aero can defeat the vast majority of walls in UU one on one so it has a pretty good match up against stall actually And quagsire is ou at the moment.
It checks them because it can switch in their stab moves, the mere presence of aerodactyl on a team is enough to discourage fire spam, which makes those threats 100x times easier to deal with. Also scarf victini doesnt exist.Darmanitan OHKOs with sheer force rock slide, and outspeeds via scarf; Victini has a chance to OHKO with bolt strike (33% if I remember right), and guarenteed OHKO with bolt strike after stealth rocks, and also outspeeds via scarf. Mega-Aero does not check either of the two most popular fire types in UU right now. It can also, as you mentioned, check neither the bulky nor the scarf set for Rotom-H. It can check Arcanine and Entei, but not counter them. M-Aero isn't a "good" check to fire types in UU; it is unable to check the two most popular threats, Victini and Darmanitan, reliably.
How in the hell is normal aero outclassing mega aero at anything when it has less bulk and less power lol. The mega slot argument is irrelevant because aerodactyl is the best mega in the tier, it doesnt compete with anything. Pressure is useless because it already has taunt and high powered attacks to keep almost every wall at bay.A defensive Mega-Aero with taunt and roost is completely outclassed by normal Aerodactyl, who, while losing out on a slight bit of bulk, can run pressure to stall out many walls much more easily, as well as to get by some threats, like Umbreon thanks to Aero's lower attack and leftovers, that M-Aero can't get past. Additionally, this aero doesn't take up the mega slot, allowing another Mega to be run. Attacks that many walls, such as Blissey, often carry, like seismic toss, do just as much damage to either form, and for the most part, the slight defensive buff isn't worth giving up pressure + leftovers + your mega slot.
Fair point on Quaggy though.
This is not the definition of a check; additionally, M-Aerodactyl cannot reliably switch into these STABs; Entei has a 50% chance to burn, and banded Victini and Darm can 2HKO with their STAB fire-type moves, making this a highly unreliable counter or deterrent to fire spam. Fire spam is much more effectively checked by a bulky water rather than an offensive Aerodactyl.It checks them because it can switch in their stab moves, the mere presence of aerodactyl on a team is enough to discourage fire spam, which makes those threats 100x times easier to deal with. Also scarf victini doesnt exist.
If you're running a taunt + roost uninvested set, as hilarious was talking about, then it is outclassed by normal Aero for its ability to beat Umbreon more reliably; the bulk is a fairly small drop, and while 20 base stat points in each defense is somewhat significant, this is mostly offset by the gain of leftovers. On an uninvested set, which was the focus of the coversation, Aero doesn't have high powered attacks- it instead has a single, uninvested attack, which, coming from either the mega or the normal form, is going to be fairly weak.How in the hell is normal aero outclassing mega aero at anything when it has less bulk and less power lol. The mega slot argument is irrelevant because aerodactyl is the best mega in the tier, it doesnt compete with anything. Pressure is useless because it already has taunt and high powered attacks to keep almost every wall at bay.