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When you've got the time, I'd like to see someone build a defensive team starting with the following core:
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Ice Beam / Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Toxic
Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 160 SAtk / 216 Spd / 132 HP
Timid / Hasty Nature
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast / Superpower
- Knock Off
- U-turn / Heat Wave
Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SDef
Calm Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Clear Smog / Sludge Bomb
Many thanks.
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Ice Beam / Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Toxic
Tornadus-Therian (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 160 SAtk / 216 Spd / 132 HP
Timid / Hasty Nature
- Hurricane
- Focus Blast / Superpower
- Knock Off
- U-turn / Heat Wave
Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SDef
Calm Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Clear Smog / Sludge Bomb
Many thanks.
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TNT, If you have the time, can you make a team based on Mega Gardevoir or Lucario? :3
Only if you have time, would someone mind making a stall team around mega Charizard x? (I kinda lost track of how many unfulfilled requests there are)
Hi guys !
This shop is a great idea ! :)
Could you explain the teambuilding process in order too teach people how to build ?
I know it demands more work but people ask teams, teams are delivered with general explanation about how to use them/how they work, and I have the feeling that people does'nt learn about teambuilding :'(
What are you concerns when you build ?
Keep on doing this ! It's a great idea, but just explain a little bit more of teambuilding please :)
This shop is a great idea ! :)
Could you explain the teambuilding process in order too teach people how to build ?
I know it demands more work but people ask teams, teams are delivered with general explanation about how to use them/how they work, and I have the feeling that people does'nt learn about teambuilding :'(
What are you concerns when you build ?
Keep on doing this ! It's a great idea, but just explain a little bit more of teambuilding please :)
I'm not sure if you have too many requests at the moment so feel free to get to mine whenever you have free time. :)
The team I'm trying to build at the moment has 4 members. Basically I need help on which 2 Pokemon I should add to fill in the gaps to the team. I am new to competitive battling so I would like to hear your input. So far the team is: Technician Breloom, DD Dragonite, Bold Phaz Milotic (could be replaced w/ Suicune), and bulky Assault Vest Metagross.
The team I'm trying to build at the moment has 4 members. Basically I need help on which 2 Pokemon I should add to fill in the gaps to the team. I am new to competitive battling so I would like to hear your input. So far the team is: Technician Breloom, DD Dragonite, Bold Phaz Milotic (could be replaced w/ Suicune), and bulky Assault Vest Metagross.
Hi TNT, I've been trying to use a certain deviation of a 3-poke core I've seen on the Victory Road subforum:
I've had trouble with prior iterations of this team because I can't seem to defensively round out all the weaknesses this core carries, such as Mamo, Keldeo and Char-Y amongst others. I also know that this is most definitely a core for an HO team, but I haven't been able to play it effectively as such, since I always manage to lose the initative. If there is a way to effectively ease the burden of momentum while defensively rounding out the team, I would very much appreciate your help with teambuilding. Now if you feel like any of the choices in my core can be tweaked in moves or EVs, feel free to do so.
BIG BUBBA (Mawile) @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Fire Fang
- Sucker Punch
- Play Rough
HOO REEKRIS (Thundurus) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Wild Charge
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]
MACHO MAGIC (Landorus) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Calm Mind
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Fire Fang
- Sucker Punch
- Play Rough
HOO REEKRIS (Thundurus) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Wild Charge
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]
MACHO MAGIC (Landorus) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Calm Mind
I've had trouble with prior iterations of this team because I can't seem to defensively round out all the weaknesses this core carries, such as Mamo, Keldeo and Char-Y amongst others. I also know that this is most definitely a core for an HO team, but I haven't been able to play it effectively as such, since I always manage to lose the initative. If there is a way to effectively ease the burden of momentum while defensively rounding out the team, I would very much appreciate your help with teambuilding. Now if you feel like any of the choices in my core can be tweaked in moves or EVs, feel free to do so.
k, building teams for the following people, so i'm not taking requests for now:
e: i can't read, apparently.
AGuyWithPants [mega gardevoir team or lucario team]- dinotrek27 [shuckle web offense w/ garchomp]
Kazuma Yato [megazard-y team]- OverlordDerp [bulkier team w/ mega mawile | landorus | thundurus core]
- vyomov [team w/ mega gardevoir | bisharp | keldeo core]
e: i can't read, apparently.
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Nog, would you like some help with that? I could take a few teams at a time if you need the help.
I was gonna ask for a mega medi team. So i did not spam the forum i checked for one, you had made one. This is perfect for me, what are the the evs on lati and thundy for?
Thanks if possible could the bulky ground be scarfchomp?(fav mon)
Thank you though,
Just posting an update real quick. First off no one got skipped, I will prioritize users who the other builders missed. Everyone asking if they can build, the answer is no unless you are an official team rater. I have Dons, Smog Frogs and someone else's (don't remember off the top of my head) teams done, but won't post until they are all done to avoid post / like count abuse and because I don't want to post every time I finish a team or two. Lastly we got way more requests than we thought we would so fast so I'm closing requests until everyone has been built for.
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poopmars
re: latias evs: 32 hp evs let latias hit a life orb #; 240 spe evs allow latias to creep max speed base 108s (infernape, keldeo, terrakion); remaining evs went into special attack. as for why i chose the base 108s as my speed creep target, the only notable targets between that and latias' max speed are durant, genger, and the lati twins. the former is extremely uncommon, and the latter two latias actually speed ties with. since i don't like taking chances at losing, i purposely lowered the speed a bit.
re: thundurus evs: the hp evs hit a lefties + 1 number, all while keeping the hp odd.
re: latias evs: 32 hp evs let latias hit a life orb #; 240 spe evs allow latias to creep max speed base 108s (infernape, keldeo, terrakion); remaining evs went into special attack. as for why i chose the base 108s as my speed creep target, the only notable targets between that and latias' max speed are durant, genger, and the lati twins. the former is extremely uncommon, and the latter two latias actually speed ties with. since i don't like taking chances at losing, i purposely lowered the speed a bit.
re: thundurus evs: the hp evs hit a lefties + 1 number, all while keeping the hp odd.
Really cool thing you guys are doing here, especially since personally i blow at teambuilding.
Can I get a BirdSpam team using Hawlucha? I want to try it without it's hardest counter (aegi) around
EDIT: my bad m8s, didn't read the above post.
Can I get a BirdSpam team using Hawlucha? I want to try it without it's hardest counter (aegi) around
EDIT: my bad m8s, didn't read the above post.
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Thugly Duckling
I play TCG now
This is a really kind thread :D
So I am interested in a balanced team featuring Leftovers CM Raikou+Mega Heracross. The two seem to have good synergy, as Raikou needs walls like Chansey out of the way for a sweep, and Heracross fills this role well while being able to switch into ground moves and also having the raw power to obliterate stall, which Raikou struggles with. In return, Raikou also checks Bird Spam for Heracross, which is important for any team running it. I am basically out of ideas from there, as I've never used the two Pokemon and especially not together; thus I have no ideas of what would be good teammates for them. Well, Thanks in advance! :]
EDIT: I see that someone has already requested a CM Raikou team. If one of you does not want to build it I understand, as it would most likely be similar to the one already built on request from this thread. And please do take your time, I play Ubers mostly anyways x)
So I am interested in a balanced team featuring Leftovers CM Raikou+Mega Heracross. The two seem to have good synergy, as Raikou needs walls like Chansey out of the way for a sweep, and Heracross fills this role well while being able to switch into ground moves and also having the raw power to obliterate stall, which Raikou struggles with. In return, Raikou also checks Bird Spam for Heracross, which is important for any team running it. I am basically out of ideas from there, as I've never used the two Pokemon and especially not together; thus I have no ideas of what would be good teammates for them. Well, Thanks in advance! :]
EDIT: I see that someone has already requested a CM Raikou team. If one of you does not want to build it I understand, as it would most likely be similar to the one already built on request from this thread. And please do take your time, I play Ubers mostly anyways x)
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Just a suggestion for your initial thread, I think it would be worth posting a category dedicated to examples of competitive teams that have previously been successful in competitions so that the less experienced players can get an idea of what makes the successful teams better than the rest. It might help people come up with better core's for you guys to build teams around.
What needs to be stressed here is that it isn't only the team that is successful in competitions, but also the players' skillsets. As it stands, no one here should expect these teams to catapult you up the ladder unless you actively make the effort to understand WHY these teams work, and how to play it against other threats. No team here is infallible, but that doesn't mean it won't wreck faces all around if you learn how to effectively use it.
Furthermore, this team building shop is a great segue into the mentorship scene, since less experienced people (such as myself) are more likely to ask for help with things that AREN'T team-building, such as handling certain threats and how to play a certain team to one's advantage.
Now I get that experience is the mother of all (or most) knowledge when it comes to Pokemon, but it sure doesn't hurt to ask.
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I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM
formerly Smog Frog
This is a cool idea, but my thought is that Nog should have a team of team builders that either volunteer or are recruited for two reasons: 1) efficiency, and 2) so that other experienced team builders can get practice team building with restrictions and give back to the Smogon community.
Currently Trinitrotoluene, Stathakis, and Halcyon are building teams for people too, and Nog said he was going to limit "other teambuilders" to people who have the Team Rater badge (for reasons that should be pretty obvious). I'm sure if a big tourney guy like CTC or gr8 said they wanted to help he wouldn't turn them down, but as this is a service to the community he's trying to ensure that only top-level teambuilders are included.
Also once this opens back up I'll make a request
Got teams to give
Karxrida
This is a weird team and not at all my style, but it's hella fun to use. I wanted to try Klefki out now that Deo has been banned, and I thought that what made Klefki such an interesting mon is that it is a setter that comes with built-in sweeper stopping potenial with T-wave, which largely makes Thundurus not as necessary for offense. Swords Dance Bisharp is sort of an underrated and forgotten sweeper, and with Screens up, it becomes a monster, able to set up on potential defoggers two times over. It also helps to break down physical walls like SKarm for Gyarados, as well as weaken stuff like Quagsire. Gyarados is another forgotten sweeper, easily nabbing DDs on stuff like Keldeo and Landorus (especially behind screens), and causing snowball effects with Moxie sweeps late-game. Mega Manectric checks Thundurus, as well as providing momentum to the team after something has fainted and possibly giving Klefki a free switch in to set up screens again. Garchomp is a great all around partner for the physical sweepers I already had and sets up much-needed rocks. Finally, Keldeo is sort of a stall breaker, setting up on unsuspecting Mega Venusaur and scoring a OHKO on Amoongus after two Calm Minds. Like I said, this team is weird and isn't the absolute best, but it's one of the most fun teams I've used in a while and I think that having fun with what you're trying to build is also an important lesson to learn here.
-Clone-
So, instead of making a cookie-cutter HO team with Zard-X, I decided to do something a little different and build a DragMag team. Obviously the key player here is DD Zard-X, which even by itself is extremely good, sweeping large portions of the tier by itself. ScarfChomp serves as a way to beat faster things that can KO Zard-X before the DD, including Scarf Excadrill and +1 Zard-X itself. Latias gives needed hazard cleaning support for Zard, as well as a second chance to sweep With Healing Wish. Magnezone traps steel types that wall the dragons, as well as threaten annoying fairies, Specs Flash Cannon being great for Clefable. Its EV spread lets it outspeed max speed Mawile as well as 40 Spe Heatran. Greninja helps break down walls like Quagsire and M-Venu that could otherwise be annoying, as well as luring in Azumarill, one of the biggest threats to Dragon-types. Finally, Exca can help with the weakness to Sand teams, as well as provide rocks and a ground immunity. Can also handle non-Knock Off Gliscor. This can be changed to Scarf Exca with lead chomp though.
I will look back on this thread to claim some of the people have have been skipped over when I get back from work. I'll tag you if I decide to build your request.
Karxrida
Klefki @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Spikes
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
Bisharp @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
Gyarados @ Lum Berry
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
Manectric @ Manectite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flamethrower
- Volt Switch
Garchomp @ Focus Sash
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
Keldeo @ Lum Berry
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Calm Mind
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Spikes
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
Bisharp @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
Gyarados @ Lum Berry
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
Manectric @ Manectite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flamethrower
- Volt Switch
Garchomp @ Focus Sash
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
Keldeo @ Lum Berry
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Calm Mind
This is a weird team and not at all my style, but it's hella fun to use. I wanted to try Klefki out now that Deo has been banned, and I thought that what made Klefki such an interesting mon is that it is a setter that comes with built-in sweeper stopping potenial with T-wave, which largely makes Thundurus not as necessary for offense. Swords Dance Bisharp is sort of an underrated and forgotten sweeper, and with Screens up, it becomes a monster, able to set up on potential defoggers two times over. It also helps to break down physical walls like SKarm for Gyarados, as well as weaken stuff like Quagsire. Gyarados is another forgotten sweeper, easily nabbing DDs on stuff like Keldeo and Landorus (especially behind screens), and causing snowball effects with Moxie sweeps late-game. Mega Manectric checks Thundurus, as well as providing momentum to the team after something has fainted and possibly giving Klefki a free switch in to set up screens again. Garchomp is a great all around partner for the physical sweepers I already had and sets up much-needed rocks. Finally, Keldeo is sort of a stall breaker, setting up on unsuspecting Mega Venusaur and scoring a OHKO on Amoongus after two Calm Minds. Like I said, this team is weird and isn't the absolute best, but it's one of the most fun teams I've used in a while and I think that having fun with what you're trying to build is also an important lesson to learn here.
-Clone-
Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Volt Switch
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Outrage
Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Healing Wish
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
- Hidden Power [Grass]
Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Slide
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Volt Switch
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Outrage
Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Healing Wish
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
- Hidden Power [Grass]
Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Slide
So, instead of making a cookie-cutter HO team with Zard-X, I decided to do something a little different and build a DragMag team. Obviously the key player here is DD Zard-X, which even by itself is extremely good, sweeping large portions of the tier by itself. ScarfChomp serves as a way to beat faster things that can KO Zard-X before the DD, including Scarf Excadrill and +1 Zard-X itself. Latias gives needed hazard cleaning support for Zard, as well as a second chance to sweep With Healing Wish. Magnezone traps steel types that wall the dragons, as well as threaten annoying fairies, Specs Flash Cannon being great for Clefable. Its EV spread lets it outspeed max speed Mawile as well as 40 Spe Heatran. Greninja helps break down walls like Quagsire and M-Venu that could otherwise be annoying, as well as luring in Azumarill, one of the biggest threats to Dragon-types. Finally, Exca can help with the weakness to Sand teams, as well as provide rocks and a ground immunity. Can also handle non-Knock Off Gliscor. This can be changed to Scarf Exca with lead chomp though.
I will look back on this thread to claim some of the people have have been skipped over when I get back from work. I'll tag you if I decide to build your request.
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I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM
formerly Smog Frog
Nice n powerful serious garchomp ;)
Oh ya that's cause I wanted to make a whole thing about Adamant v Jolly and so I left it blank in the team builder. Just forgot to do that
Thanks a ton Halcyon! I do have one question though: What does Adamant Scarfchomp miss out on outspeeding? I see the slash, so I dont know if Scarfchomp loses out on anything by running Adamant.
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