Stereotypes concerning typing in Pokemon

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I think most of us would notice that certain stereotypes exist regarding to a Pokemon's type.
Such as "electric Pokemon tend to have high speed stat." or "psychic Pokemon trainers tend to be wealthy"
So, what have you noticed?

I'll start you off with a few more:

Psychic Pokemon tend to be intelligent, but physically unfit such as being way too thin or too fat.
Fairy Pokemon tend to be based on inanimate objects.
Fire Pokemon tend to have high body temperature.
Water Pokemon tend to be medium speed, but high in special defense or HP.
Fighting Pokemon tend to be masculine and muscular.

Fairy type trainers tend to have a different sort of eye-- they tend to lack pupils and are shinier.
Fighting type trainers tend to practice martial arts of some sort.
Ghost type trainers tend to be old.
 
Steel and Rock Pokémon are almost exclusively physical (both offensive and defensively).

But I don't agree on your Fairy Pokémon theory... there are lots of fairy Pokémon who are just based on Kawaii animals. Much more than inanimate objects (they belong to Steel and Electric)
 

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Yeah, I definitely disagree with Fairy being mostly based on inanimate objects. Only a small number of them are, like Carbink, Klefki, Diancie, and maybe Slurpuff, Florges, and Whimsicott, if you count those. I guess you could say it's a pattern with the new Fairy Pokemon, but pretty much all of the retconned ones are not.

A stereotype with Psychic Pokemon is that they tend to be mostly special attackers. Notable exceptions are things like Metagross, Medicham, and Gallade. Although it's interesting to note that these are all dual-typed Pokemon with a second type that tends to mostly have physical attackers.

By the way, the type articles on Bulbapedia have some interesting statistics and trivia when it comes to stereotypes so I suggest checking them out. For example, it actually turns out that on average, Fighting-types have higher special defense than defense, something that I thought was actually reverse.
 
Rock types often seem to be very slow but physically durable, and commonly also happen to be Ground type as well.
Ghost type Pokemon often have very creepy and unsettling PokeDex entries, like Banette being a doll with a grudge against the child that abandoned it.
Flying types tend to be based on some sort of bird, real or mythical.
Bugs typically evolve very quickly very early, but really don't hold up later on.
 

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Actually, apart from the Musketeers, all Fighting types are bipedal. Only a few of those are not humanshaped; Mankey, Primeape, Poliwrath, Breloom, Heracross and Pignite are the only ones lacking significant bodyshape features from humans, or having new ones in their place. Machamp remains the only Fighting type to not have four limbs.

Speaking of numbers of limbs, one would think the Bug type would be crawling with Pokémon having an unusual number of them. That might be true, but for fully evolved Bug types, only a handful have any other number but four, not counting wings: Accelgor (2), Parasect (6), Venomoth (6), Ledian (6), Forretress (0), Ninjask (2), Wormadam (0), Vespiquen (2), Yanmega (6), Scolipede (14), Crustle (8), Escavalier (3?) and Durant (6).
 
Going through every type, here's the first thing I think of:

Grass: tend to be bulky and chuck status conditions around
Fire: glass cannons
Water: really diverse, but generally bulky
Bug: tend to be weak all around, but Quiver Dance and Sticky Web help I guess
Normal: jack of all trades, master of none
Flying: not even really a proper type, almost everything is secondary flying and primary something else
Poison: bulky if anything, often weak
Electric: good scouts due to speed + SpA + Volt Switch
Ground: powerful and bulky, but slow
Fighting: battering rams
Rock: very double-edged, tend to be somewhat blunt instruments
Psychic: a diverse bunch, huge movepools and good stats but held back by weaknesses to U-turn & Pursuit
Ghost: lethal in the right hands, dead weight in the wrong ones
Ice: glass cannons, more even so than Fire- and Electric-types
Dragon: Pokemon's equivalent of the standard Mage class - really strong eventually, but it needs a lot of levelling to get there
Dark: very specialised, most Dark moves are generally weak but powerful in the right situation
Steel: best defensive typing evar
Fairy: a perverse type weak against all the worst types and strong against all the best ones
 

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I can't see too much discussion coming out of this thread honestly, I mean, you have certain basics concerning all types and then the rest of the thread would be people repeating said notable things. For example, if we're looking at stats you can cover everything very quickly. Electric Types are generally very fast and specially oriented. If we delve into the designs of Electric-Type Pokémon as designs the majority of them are based off of small mammals (Pikachu) or inanimate objects (Magnemite), sometimes being a mixture of both - Dedenne being a small rodent crossed with a pylon in its design is a good example of this. The majority of Electric-Type Gym Leaders are also male, with Elesa being the only female one. There are few secondary Electric-Type Pokémon. Electric-Type attacks are often technical or are moves with additional status effects, such as Ion Deluge or Thunder respectively.

I don't really think there is such a thing as a "stereotype" for a certain type, either. If you want an Ice-Type Pokémon you design a Pokémon who lives in cold conditions (Beartic) or who would be cold naturally (Vanillish). It just makes sense for the Pokémon, and any stereotypes we draw from it would be simple coincedence, honestly. Certain types would be related to either physical or special over the other one because of the kind of type it is. The majority of the elements are more specially oriented (fire, water, grass, electric, poison, psychic, ice) while some elements ARE physical (ground, rock, normal) and then we have some ransom extras (fighting, flying, bug, dragon, ghost, dark, steel, fairy) because why not? Dark would be physically oriented because dark = evil and physical damage is thought of as much more brutal than emotional or PSI damage.

The question shouldn't be "what stereotypes do types have in Pokémon?" but rather "what stereotypes of a certain typing or applied to Pokémon?" For example, Kadabra is infamous for being "based" off of Uri Geller. This is because he uses a stereotype of PSI power - spoons. Even chandeliers are often associated with ghosts and hauntings now (I would assume The Phantom Of The Opera kicked it off), hence Chandelure. Bones are often associated with deserts, which are just sand, which is ground. There you go, Ground-Type Marowak! Wings = Flying so birds = flying type. What is steel renowned for? Being sturdy - almost impossible to break without hydraulics or for some reason a diamond. What does Game Freak do with it? Make it resilient as all hell! Stereotypes from the real world exist in Pokémon, which is why a Pokémon would be assigned a certain typing. Muscular people are generally better at physical fighting, so they are fighting types. If a Pokémon is based off of a bug or arachnid it's a bug type. These aren't stereotypes surrounding Pokémon types these are just facts introduced to a video game. Seriously the basics from Pokémon actually make sense when applied to real-life situations. Fire burns down grass so it's Super-Effective against it. You may not think anything of that now, but when I was a young child and someone would ask me a question like "how do you put out fire?" I could say "pour water over it or snuff it out with rocks or earth!" This is because this types are Super-Effective against Fire in Pokémon. As such, many Fire-Type Pokémon are portrayed as being susceptible to water. Take Torkoal for an example - it has holes in it's impenetrable shell; water or earth could pass through there easily. This is even highlighted with Charmander's Pokédex where it says putting out the light on its tail will kill it.

As such, the question of "what are links in typings of Pokémon" would be answered quickly and would be a fairly boring point of discussion. If you try to look for more links you will be surprised at how well thought through the typings in Pokémon are. Trivial things like water putting out fire really makes sense for the much younger age group, and the designs complement this well. Pokémon has that certain level of complexity with its typings and its Pokémon. Take for example Mawile. A 6 year old would think "it's Steel because it's grey and is made of iron, and it's fairy because it wears a little kimono! :D" whereas if you look further into it it's based off of the Yoko-onno (<-- that's from memory, I probably got the name of it wrong, or I'm thinking of entirely the wrong thing lol) and its typing makes even more sense.

Like I've said before, associating stats to types is trivial, because the typing only has that stereotype because of the Pokémon in the group, who are, for the vast majority of the time, anyway, oriented in that certain manner because of other reasons. Fire is an element, it would logically be more specially based. Fist-fighting is very physical, so the Fighting type would logically be a physically oriented typing (but they have to train their bodies and minds, so they have good Special Defense). Seriously you can throw any honest stereotype of a typing at me and I can find a reason for why it would be that way, because everything in Pokémon makes sense. This is why I consider it to be the greatest franchise of all time. It has so many appealing factors to all age groups, nationalities etc.. It is so diverse a person with a certain interest or hobby will likely find a Pokémon based off of said interest and it can become their favourite. They can participate in talking about Pokémon thanks to the different media, too. If they're not very good at the battling said, they can just watch the anime. If they think they're ready, they can try reading the manga, even though it would probably ruin a 5-year old's mind. However the manga then appeals to a college or university student!

And, like normal when I make a long post, I got sidetracked. Point still stands, I urge people to look further into WHY a certain type has its stereo-type, instead of just saying "Electric-Types are fast! :)"

tl;dr: Pokémon makes sense; it appeals to all age groups; look into Pokémon more and you will probably learn something; more stuff I forgot that I typed up.
 

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I can't see too much discussion coming out of this thread honestly, I mean, you have certain basics concerning all types and then the rest of the thread would be people repeating said notable things. For example, if we're looking at stats you can cover everything very quickly. Electric Types are generally very fast and specially oriented. If we delve into the designs of Electric-Type Pokémon as designs the majority of them are based off of small mammals (Pikachu) or inanimate objects (Magnemite), sometimes being a mixture of both - Dedenne being a small rodent crossed with a pylon in its design is a good example of this. The majority of Electric-Type Gym Leaders are also male, with Elesa being the only female one. There are few secondary Electric-Type Pokémon. Electric-Type attacks are often technical or are moves with additional status effects, such as Ion Deluge or Thunder respectively.

I don't really think there is such a thing as a "stereotype" for a certain type, either. If you want an Ice-Type Pokémon you design a Pokémon who lives in cold conditions (Beartic) or who would be cold naturally (Vanillish). It just makes sense for the Pokémon, and any stereotypes we draw from it would be simple coincedence, honestly. Certain types would be related to either physical or special over the other one because of the kind of type it is. The majority of the elements are more specially oriented (fire, water, grass, electric, poison, psychic, ice) while some elements ARE physical (ground, rock, normal) and then we have some ransom extras (fighting, flying, bug, dragon, ghost, dark, steel, fairy) because why not? Dark would be physically oriented because dark = evil and physical damage is thought of as much more brutal than emotional or PSI damage.

The question shouldn't be "what stereotypes do types have in Pokémon?" but rather "what stereotypes of a certain typing or applied to Pokémon?" For example, Kadabra is infamous for being "based" off of Uri Geller. This is because he uses a stereotype of PSI power - spoons. Even chandeliers are often associated with ghosts and hauntings now (I would assume The Phantom Of The Opera kicked it off), hence Chandelure. Bones are often associated with deserts, which are just sand, which is ground. There you go, Ground-Type Marowak! Wings = Flying so birds = flying type. What is steel renowned for? Being sturdy - almost impossible to break without hydraulics or for some reason a diamond. What does Game Freak do with it? Make it resilient as all hell! Stereotypes from the real world exist in Pokémon, which is why a Pokémon would be assigned a certain typing. Muscular people are generally better at physical fighting, so they are fighting types. If a Pokémon is based off of a bug or arachnid it's a bug type. These aren't stereotypes surrounding Pokémon types these are just facts introduced to a video game. Seriously the basics from Pokémon actually make sense when applied to real-life situations. Fire burns down grass so it's Super-Effective against it. You may not think anything of that now, but when I was a young child and someone would ask me a question like "how do you put out fire?" I could say "pour water over it or snuff it out with rocks or earth!" This is because this types are Super-Effective against Fire in Pokémon. As such, many Fire-Type Pokémon are portrayed as being susceptible to water. Take Torkoal for an example - it has holes in it's impenetrable shell; water or earth could pass through there easily. This is even highlighted with Charmander's Pokédex where it says putting out the light on its tail will kill it.

As such, the question of "what are links in typings of Pokémon" would be answered quickly and would be a fairly boring point of discussion. If you try to look for more links you will be surprised at how well thought through the typings in Pokémon are. Trivial things like water putting out fire really makes sense for the much younger age group, and the designs complement this well. Pokémon has that certain level of complexity with its typings and its Pokémon. Take for example Mawile. A 6 year old would think "it's Steel because it's grey and is made of iron, and it's fairy because it wears a little kimono! :D" whereas if you look further into it it's based off of the Yoko-onno (<-- that's from memory, I probably got the name of it wrong, or I'm thinking of entirely the wrong thing lol) and its typing makes even more sense.

Like I've said before, associating stats to types is trivial, because the typing only has that stereotype because of the Pokémon in the group, who are, for the vast majority of the time, anyway, oriented in that certain manner because of other reasons. Fire is an element, it would logically be more specially based. Fist-fighting is very physical, so the Fighting type would logically be a physically oriented typing (but they have to train their bodies and minds, so they have good Special Defense). Seriously you can throw any honest stereotype of a typing at me and I can find a reason for why it would be that way, because everything in Pokémon makes sense. This is why I consider it to be the greatest franchise of all time. It has so many appealing factors to all age groups, nationalities etc.. It is so diverse a person with a certain interest or hobby will likely find a Pokémon based off of said interest and it can become their favourite. They can participate in talking about Pokémon thanks to the different media, too. If they're not very good at the battling said, they can just watch the anime. If they think they're ready, they can try reading the manga, even though it would probably ruin a 5-year old's mind. However the manga then appeals to a college or university student!

And, like normal when I make a long post, I got sidetracked. Point still stands, I urge people to look further into WHY a certain type has its stereo-type, instead of just saying "Electric-Types are fast! :)"

tl;dr: Pokémon makes sense; it appeals to all age groups; look into Pokémon more and you will probably learn something; more stuff I forgot that I typed up.
I can see the discussion, and so does TV Tropes.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PokemonTypes
 
I'm not entirely sure about the stereotypes about Dark, but the type in general seems to be almost as bad as the Psychic type. Dark resists only itself and Ghost, only carrying a not so useful Psychic immunity. Strong Dark moves like Crunch and Dark Pulse are often set aside for Shadow Ball, unless they are used as STAB instead of coverage since Ghost can hit ever so popular Fighting types and now Fairies neutrally. The next best attack, Sucker Punch, is at best decent unless you are running Mega Khan and Mawile or something. As a defensive type, having Dark only resisting its own, at best, 80 BP attacks is somewhat sad. Blocking Shadow Balls (the only Ghost type move in existence apparently) is nifty, but if you really want to take special attacks, just swap to a pink blob. The immunity to Psychic is not even an incredible thing to have. Sure it gives you the opportunity to switch in, but Psychics and their STABs haven't been much of a threat since Generation III. Since then it has been "Greetings, here is my Focus Miss". There are good Dark types like Tyranitar or Bisharp, but those Pokémon aren't considered good mainly because of their Dark typing.

I am pretty sure that there are terrible types that we are all aware of. For one, there's Bug. It holds a ton of weaknesses and the majority of Pokémon representing the type are laughable, but they oddly have great resistances in Fighting and Ground while holding notable super-effectiveness against Psychics and Dark types. But overall, the Bug typing is still terrible. Yes, there are Pokémon like Scizor and Volcarona that try to pull their name out of the mud, but it's not because they are Bug types. Most people consider Scizor as a Steel type since that is what carries its terrible excuse for a primary typing. Even then, Technician comes before noticing the Bug typing as a good thing. Same goes for Volcarona; epic special stats and Quiver Dance. Let's see the Bug Catchers in the next Generation of starting routes use Scyther and Larvesta.

Next, there's Grass, almost in the same boat as Bug. It supports resists to Ground and uncommonly Water. However, as an offensive type, Grass is utter ****. Although being super-effective against the afore mentioned types plus Rock is unique, Grass doesn't hit enough things neutrally to be considered a decent attacking type. Coverage or even a secondary STAB are what most Grass types need to even be seen as useful. The only thing going for Grass is variety. Status moves like Spore, Leech Seed, and Synthesis are restricted only to these types. Grass also appreciates Sun and Rain for offensive abilities, defenses against Fire, and extra Synthesis recovery. As a whole, this means that Grass needs support or needs to support in order to not be dead weight.

Lastly, Normal types. This type is versatile; consisting of speed demons, powerful physical attackers, and somewhat decent special walls with extraordinary above average health. It's just the typing itself holding these Pokémon back. Not a lot of good popular Pokémon are Normal types, unless they are extremely specialized such as Blissey or something. Six Generations of this game has passed yet no one at Nintendo has offered this type any favors, for shame. I would like to compare this type to Dragons; both barely hitting anything for super-effective damage, yet distinguishable from one another. However, Dragons resist Fire/Water/Grass/Electric which makes Dragons considered to be strong since they resist all primary starting types, but I think the reasoning behind their strength is that Dragons resist the primary elements or 'forces of nature' screw wind, Hurricane came four generations too late. Normal types should be a mirror image, finding resistances or weaknesses in physically/mentally affiliated types, Fighting/Ghost/Dark/Psychic.


If Game Freak ever tries to edit the type chart again, and hopefully they do, a few changes in favor of the above types would make the game somewhat enjoyable for those who chose the hard path in the past. You know, the people who think Dragons, Steels, and other popular types are too dangerously close to being considered as mandatory to have on all teams. I think a majority of the suggestions would make sense, but this is mostly for evening out the battle field a bit (Flying Resists Fighting and Ghosts Beat each other so dump any logical comebacks).

*Poison Resisting Ice, Bug Resisting Water, Grass Resisting Fairy/Fighting, Electric Resisting Bug, Ice Resisting Water/Dark/Dragon, Normal Resisting Fairy, Fire Resisting Flying, Dragon Resisting Flying, Psychic Resisting Fire

*Poison Beating Dragon, Steel Beating Dragon, Normal Beating Fairy, Dark Beating Normal, Ghost Beating Ground

*Grass Neutral to Poison, Psychic Neutral to Steel

^ TLDR version: We will never see anyone using these types for the sake of these types and by anyone I mean Ace Trainers, Champions, competent Players, ect...
 
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Just some observations from different threads, and playing through the game a couple of times.

Female trainers (lass, beauty) tend to carry cute normal type pokemon (they sometimes say these are strong too).
Bug catchers are always male (I thought Bugsy was... nope).
Guitarists tend to have electric/ steel pokemon, while Super Nerds tend to choose between Poison, Electric and Steel pokemon (bulbapedia states they also carry fire types)
Officers tend to carry pokemon that are active at night.
Pokemon Breeders have a variety of pokemon.
Only few Rockers exist (I don't know what they are though, they seem to be DJs)
Channelers tend to stay inside buildings; so do Mediums and Sages; unlike Psychics and Hex Maniacs (they look similar though)
Gentlemen tend to carry elegant/ rare pokemon (chatot, growlithe); so do Socialites
Youngsters usually carry common pokemon found in the wild.
Pokemon with Quadruple weakness are usually glasscannons (e.g. Rock: Charizard; Ice: Garchomp, Salamence)
There is always an electric rodent species per generation (pikachu, pichu, ...).
Starters usually have their base form composed of a single type (except bulbasaur).
Campers sometimes have a starter in their team (Gen1/4)
Shiny pokemon tend to be green/ or of a lighter/ darker color of their original palette.
 
It's kind of fun to compare the CAP pokedex to the real one, to see what trends have been broken over the years and which still need an exception to the rule.

Like, we have yet to have a special attacking rock-type (Diancie and Omastar are the closest, but both lack power gem) like Stratagem (and his Paleo Wave). Heck, that ReCAP - What we did, what they did from the Smog 34 outlined a few good examples.
 
It's kind of fun to compare the CAP pokedex to the real one, to see what trends have been broken over the years and which still need an exception to the rule.

Like, we have yet to have a special attacking rock-type (Diancie and Omastar are the closest, but both lack power gem) like Stratagem (and his Paleo Wave). Heck, that ReCAP - What we did, what they did from the Smog 34 outlined a few good examples.
Considering Stratagem's concept was literally to break the stereotype surrounding its typing I don't think it's a very good example. Also Omastar is a Rock-type special attacker, despite not using any Rock-type moves (except the occasional Ancient Power).

Good examples would be Cawmodore, being a Steel-type sweeper, Necturna, being a powerful physical attacker (unlike most Grasses OR Ghosts), and Hawlucha 2.0 which Smogon had a generation before Hawlucha was made.

Also as shit as Grass and Poison mons tend to be offensively (Poison more so), those two are amazing defensive typings with mons that are amazing defensively. Poison has Weezing, Crobat, Mega Venusaur, Roserade, Muk, Swalot, and a lot more I can't remember off the top of my head. Many of these are lower tier, yes, but that's mostly because they lack recovery (look at Mega Venusaur for example). Grass has Celebi, Shaymin, Ferrothorn, Roserade, and Mega Venusaur. Just look at the lists of resists: Grass resists Ground, Water, and the less common Grass while being weak to Fire, Ice, and the uncommon Flying and Poison (and with the right typing/ability you can get rid of a few of the weaknesses). Poison resists FAIRY and Fighting (as well as Grass and itself) and is only weak to Ground and the very uncommon Psychic (Weezing and Crobat are immune to Ground to boot!).

Bug is also actually more suited to be defensive but its mon pool is largely offensive--the only ones resembling anything close to defensiveness are Forretress and Mega Scizor. Or maybe that's just the synergy between Bug and Steel.
 
Considering Stratagem's concept was literally to break the stereotype surrounding its typing I don't think it's a very good example. Also Omastar is a Rock-type special attacker, despite not using any Rock-type moves (except the occasional Ancient Power).

Good examples would be Cawmodore, being a Steel-type sweeper, Necturna, being a powerful physical attacker (unlike most Grasses OR Ghosts), and Hawlucha 2.0 which Smogon had a generation before Hawlucha was made.
It's kind of fun to compare the CAP pokedex to the real one, to see what trends have been broken over the years and which still need an exception to the rule.

Like, we have yet to have a special attacking rock-type (Diancie and Omastar are the closest, but both lack power gem) like Stratagem (and his Paleo Wave). Heck, that ReCAP - What we did, what they did from the Smog 34 outlined a few good examples.

Do you really use Omastar for his rock type? Really? Also as they explained in the article, Hawlucha isn't really an example since Tomohawk is closer to a special attacking Talonflame than anything.
 
It's kind of fun to compare the CAP pokedex to the real one, to see what trends have been broken over the years and which still need an exception to the rule.

Like, we have yet to have a special attacking rock-type (Diancie and Omastar are the closest, but both lack power gem) like Stratagem (and his Paleo Wave). Heck, that ReCAP - What we did, what they did from the Smog 34 outlined a few good examples.

Also as they explained in the article, Hawlucha isn't really an example since Tomohawk is closer to a special attacking Talonflame than anything.
And in what way is Omastar not a Special attacking Rock-type? It's a Rock-type, with a large Special Attack stat and a not-very-good attack stat. I don't think a special attacking Rock-type has to have a special Rock STAB?

Tomohawk is a special attacking Flying-type which is rare enough on its own, as well as special attacking Fighting-type, which is pretty much completely unseen post-Mega-Luke ban. (But it is nowhere close to Talonflame because its speed is so shit)
 
Omastar's rock-type is a liability, not an asset. It has no rock type move worth using, just a quad weakness to grass in return. It's team usage is for shell smash and swift swim using surf/hydro-pump (and ice beam). If you are using Omastar, you are using it as a special attacking water type.

This would be in contrast to Kabutops, that gets stone edge to actually use it's rock type, in addition to swift swim waterfalls. Kabutop's rock type is an asset.

Tomohawk/Talonflame is more about role as momentum setters (Gale Wings and Prankster priority). In hindsight, I should have said Thundurus to make my point clearer. Heck I guess our whole argument is that I'm talking about roles and you're talking about pure stats.

Bottom line, I stand by my point: there is no special attacking rock type that actually uses it's rock type, like Stratagem, so there is a major stereotype for rock types being poor specially. Gamefreak has yet to make an exception to this rule.
 
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Omastar's rock-type is a liability, not an asset. It has no rock type move worth using, just a quad weakness to grass in return. It's team usage is for shell smash and swift swim using surf/hydro-pump (and ice beam). If you are using Omastar, you are using it as a special attacking water type.

This would be in contrast to Kabutops, that gets stone edge to actually use it's rock type, in addition to swift swim waterfalls. Kabutop's rock type is an asset.

Tomohawk/Talonflame is more about role as momentum setters (Gale Wings and Prankster priority). In hindsight, I should have said Thundurus to make my point clearer. Heck I guess our whole argument is that I'm talking about roles and you're talking about pure stats.

Bottom line, I stand by my point: there is no special attacking rock type that actually uses it's rock type, like Stratagem, so there is a major stereotype for rock types being poor specially. Gamefreak has yet to make an exception to this rule.
Oh really?

Competitively and offensively Omastar doesn't use his Rock-type, OK. Defensively he does. He has a weakness to fighting and a quad to grass, but in the lower tiers (I'm not sure on his tier placement right now, but last gen he was RU and I used him fairly commonly there, so I know what I'm talking about) where unusual types are common the Rock typing is great. Omastar switches into Flying- and especially Fire-Type attacks with total ease thanks to the Rock-Type he posesses, and while Grass- and Fighting-Types are a little more common in the competitive scene, that soesn't equate to his Rock-Type being shit.

Also in RU I used to sometimes carry Ancient Power on my Omastar, depening on my team archetype, just to have a powerful, reliable attack inwhich to get rid of the Bug-Type Pokemon that were so common lower down the ladder. As I got higher up I would eventually switch the move out for HP Grass, but you can see my point. The Rock-Type does also have offensive competitive purpose.

And Omastar uses his Rock-Type very commonly in-game. Don't forget that this is Orange Islands...

So, to sum up, Omastar is a specially-attacking Rock-Type who uses his Rock-Type. There is no way around it, and it is a silly thing to say honestly. It's like saying Salamence is a Pure-Dragon type, not Flying because she doesn't always carry flying attacks...
 
I give up. Whether you want to count one or two exceptions is a gray area and your own opinion. I just wanted to say that rock type is not known for special attackers and has no Stratagem equivalent yet.

To change gears, it is interesting how trainer themes change from pre-elite four to the battle maison. For example, Veteran trainers before consist of well rounded, hard teams meant to challenge. In the Maison, they are still hard but guaranteed to use a team of all legendary pokemon. So they adopt a stereotype when before they had none (other than, "harder than average").
 
Omastar's rock-type is a liability, not an asset. It has no rock type move worth using, just a quad weakness to grass in return. It's team usage is for shell smash and swift swim using surf/hydro-pump (and ice beam). If you are using Omastar, you are using it as a special attacking water type.

This would be in contrast to Kabutops, that gets stone edge to actually use it's rock type, in addition to swift swim waterfalls. Kabutop's rock type is an asset.

Tomohawk/Talonflame is more about role as momentum setters (Gale Wings and Prankster priority). In hindsight, I should have said Thundurus to make my point clearer. Heck I guess our whole argument is that I'm talking about roles and you're talking about pure stats.

Bottom line, I stand by my point: there is no special attacking rock type that actually uses it's rock type, like Stratagem, so there is a major stereotype for rock types being poor specially. Gamefreak has yet to make an exception to this rule.
Tomohawk is supposed to be a momentum grabber in Rain, not a revenge killer like Talonflame or sweeper/wallbreaker like Thundurus. Heck, if you want to talk about roles, pretty much EVERY CAP breaks stereotypes there. You've got Revenankh as a bulky physical attacking Ghost-type, when Ghost-types are known for special attacking and low HP stats, Mollux as a Fire-type that counters Rain, Aurumoth as a mon that can sweep physically OR specially just as well (while having a good amount of bulk!), Necturna as a Sketch user with actual stats (and physical attacking Grass and Ghost), etc.

It's also fun to look at specific moves. For example, Belly Drum tends to be learned by bulky mons, like Poliwrath, Hariyama, Azumarill, and Snorlax.
 
Can we just move on? I didn't handle my argument well and I really don't want to trade "well actually" back and forth on off-topic stuff.

Belly drum, cool beans. A few pokemon get it that are not "bulky" (Charizard, Linoone) but most are pretty chubby (look at Charizards gen 4 and 5 sprites. Somebody has been hitting the pokepuffs). I got nothing on Linoone though.
 

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Ya, belly drum Pokemon are mostly chubby, round-ish Pokemon.
Slurpuff is a new addition that still fits the stereotype.
 
Zigzagoon would like to talk to you two(how does it even use Belly Drum?)
edit:Oh, and Wooper too. According to Bulbapedia, it got Belly Drum from an event in gen 2(again, how does it even use Belly Drum?)
 
Zigzagoon would like to talk to you two(how does it even use Belly Drum?)
edit:Oh, and Wooper too. According to Bulbapedia, it got Belly Drum from an event in gen 2(again, how does it even use Belly Drum?)
Simple, really. Zigzagoon and Linoone both curl up and pound on their bellies with their tails. Wooper, on the other hand, falls face-first and rapidly belly-flops. Wooper then stands back up and proceeds to Ice Punch that Salamence over there...
 
Simple, really. Zigzagoon and Linoone both curl up and pound on their bellies with their tails. Wooper, on the other hand, falls face-first and rapidly belly-flops. Wooper then stands back up and proceeds to Ice Punch that Salamence over there...
Well, fair enough. I remember Poliwag using Belly Drum in the anime, so it's not impossible, I guess.
 

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