The Next Best Thing... [V2]: Set Discussion

[Sage]

Voting for UU Latias I mean Sage of the 5

*Sage of the 6 but Ty for vote :)

 

[sparktrain]

Based Kitten Milk

 

[Aerow]

Kitten Milk

 

[RufflesPro]

yay i got a vote

I'm tired of pk's wp sets so imma vote for sage of the 6

 

[Sage]

Professional2341

 

[Bouff]

kk im back after probably the worst drive of my life, our winner is Kitten Milk!

Next victim will be...

(Mega) Aerodactyl
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ill update the op later today i swear

 

[Calloflochie]

Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 68 Atk / 176 SpD / 16 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Roost
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Sub Roost Mega-Aero cause i'm a massive asshole :]]]] Basically outspeeds the entire metagame and either Toxic's and Sub + Roost Stalls or EQ's the Poison-types coming in trying to avoid Toxic. It also beats shit like Florges, Aromatisse and Slowbro 1v1 so that's fkn sick. Ok, the EVs are pretty straight forward, 248 HP for maximum investment without an HP number divisible by 4, 68 Attack secures 2HKOes on Max HP Jirachi, Empoleon, Nidoqueen, Roserade, and Swalot Offensive Mega Ampharos; 176 Spdef investment means Stock Scald from Slowbro, Suicune etc can never 2HKO (if full health) and stuff like Nidoking fails to KO with Ice Beam even after SR and Hydreigon does pretty piss damage with Draco Meteor :] 16 Speed + Jolly lets it outspeed Alakazam after Mega Evolving and Base 100s before Mega Evolving, so that's basically it. I'll throw in calcs and shit too for sake of argument; Oh and Crobat walls the set but what retard is gonna stay in on a Mega Aero with Crobat anyway so we don't worry about that ;o

Defensive Calcs

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 218-257 (60 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Slowbro Scald vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 152-180 (41.8 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 140-168 (38.5 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 181-214 (49.8 - 58.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Porygon-Z Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 290-342 (79.8 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Roserade Giga Drain vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 105-124 (28.9 - 34.1%) -- 2.5% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Infernape Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 54-63 (14.8 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO
0 SpA Swampert Scald vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 134-158 (36.9 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 221-263 (60.8 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Offensive Calcs

68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 196-232 (48.5 - 57.4%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 140-165 (53.6 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 218-258 (58.6 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 244-288 (80.2 - 94.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Nidoqueen: 222-262 (57.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Ampharos: 190-224 (49.4 - 58.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 260-308 (88.7 - 105.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
68 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 294-348 (86.2 - 102%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Sage]

(Sprite comin later)
Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit
- Defog/Roost

Aerodactyl already checks an insane amount of threats in UU. But there are many walls or tanks in the tier it can't threaten, Mega Aggron, Hippowdon, Slowbro, etc. But what if you could eliminate te threat you were checking before it has a chance to switch? Enter Pursuit, a move that kills before the prey reacts.

But Sage, Aerodactyl isn't a Dark type, this must suck. Nope, with a combination of Tough Claws, Max Attack Adamant, and his natural speed to outrun things, Pursuit is a move worth running on Aerodactyl. Take a Scarf Victini who just killed something off with a V-Create. Mega Aero comes in, and they flee not wanting to eat a Stone Edge. To their horror, -1 Victini is OHKOed by Pursuit. This move might not seem as appealing as coverage, but it prevents many things Aero checks from ever seeing the battlefield again. Dual STABs are present so that Aerodactyl can continue to check most Fighting types than if we lost Aerial Ace.

EVs outspeed Noivern, max Attack, rest put in HP. The 4th Slot is up to you, Roost, Defog, Stealth Rocks and Aqua Tail are all viable. Didn't put 4 slashes on main set because that's stupid. Have fun killing a lot more than you would before XD!!!!!

Open 4 epic Pursuit Calcs all done with 80 BP Pursuit

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252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 284-336 (108.8 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 260-308 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after a Stealth Rock * or after a V-create

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 186-219 (71.2 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 300-354 (114.9 - 135.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 252 HP/ 0 Def Celebi: 260-308 (64.3 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: Do I even need to post this lol? Even if Zam stays in very high chance to OHKO.

 

[RufflesPro]

UMG CURSE MEGA AERODACTYL NEW META !!1!11

Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Atk / 116 SpD / 104 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Curse
- Roost
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

Curse Mega Aerodactyl, pretty simple, you use that speed to still outspeed certaint threats even at -1 :]]], why not Hone Claws? Because you want bulk and this got bulk alright. The moves are pretty simple, curse + healing move (roost), and then StoneQuak (Fuck chesnaught)

EVs outspeed Raikou before Curse (After Mega evolving) and max speed base 115s, it also outspeeds no speed base 100 after -1 and max speed neutral nature base 70s. At -2 it outspeeds no speed base 40s.

Offensive Calcs:

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+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victini: 474-560 (139 - 164.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Infernape: 280-330 (95.5 - 112.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO (Guaranteed after rocks)
40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lucario: 282-334 (100.3 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 262-310 (86.1 - 101.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Nidoqueen: 356-420 (100.8 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Ampharos: 204-240 (53.1 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Ampharos: 304-358 (79.1 - 93.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Empoleon: 352-416 (94.6 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 316-374 (92.6 - 109.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Chandelure: 344-408 (131.8 - 156.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 284-336 (117.3 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 300-354 (99.3 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 259-306 (79.6 - 94.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 120 HP / 0 Def Haxorus: 259-306 (80.1 - 94.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 324-382 (90 - 106.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 232 Def Florges: 324-382 (90 - 106.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 207-244 (51.2 - 60.3%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 213-252 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 40+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 204-240 (56.3 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Defensive calcs:

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252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Water Pulse vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 308-366 (84.8 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
4 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 150-176 (41.3 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Slowbro Scald vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 162-192 (44.6 - 52.8%) -- 19.1% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 192-226 (52.8 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 156-185 (42.9 - 50.9%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Victini Bolt Strike vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 272-320 (74.9 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 231-273 (63.6 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 168-200 (46.2 - 55%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Heracross Close Combat vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 219-258 (60.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 116 SpD Mega Aerodactyl: 105-124 (28.9 - 34.1%) -- 2.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 280-340 (77.1 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. +1 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Aerodactyl: 191-226 (52.6 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yeah it's almost assured that this thing will get 1-2 kills per game so go put curse on the fastest thing in uu and enjoy trolling people

 

[Moose V]

Stallbreaking Mega Aerodactyl

Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: [248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe] or [248 HP / 148 Atk / 112 Spe]
[Timid] / [Jolly] Nature
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Roost
- [Substitute / Defog / Torment] or [Rock Slide / Aerial Ace]

Fairly self-explanatory and beats an insane portion of the metagame 1v1 including 252 modest Goodra (even w/tbolt), Milotic, Rotom-H, Porygon-Z and wobbufet. Nature and EVs allow Mega Aero to outspeed virtually the entire nonscarfed UU meta, including adamant 252 Mega Aerodactyl (by a single point). The 148 SpD EVs in the first option mean that Aerodactyl cannot be worn down by slowbro or suicune (even with a burn) and thus wins in a 1v1 situation. Second set retains enough offensive power to get at least a possible OHKO on crobat, other Aeros, mega houndoom, Noivern, Roserade, Infernape and Toxicroak at full health (with its respective moves). Having a physical attack also allows Aero to wear down synchronizers like Mew without worrying about statusing itself in the process. Also you could remove the toxic slot so as to have an attack + Sub/Defog if you so desire.

 

[kokoloko]

i'll probably forget to vote later but yeah pursuit aero wins.

 

[RowDog]

Sage of the 6 just one little nitpick, that is 0 HP EVs Roserade, not 252 EVs. Looked at the calc and got a bit excited but yeah:
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 186-219 (71.2 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Crunch is 80BP Dark move, practically Pursuit on the switch for calculation purposes)

Nice set though.

 

[Sage]

RowDog yeah I probably calced offensive Rose by accident but honestly I tested the set myself and I'm happy to say it works in practice not just in theory.

Edit: on my phone so I couldn't copy paste my calcs so I probably mixed up, but it does 52.1 to 61.4% which is still a damn good amount

 

[Nysyr]

Might miss the vote, but Sage's set definitely gets mine.

Roost should be the first Slash though.

I'd probably also shoot for outspeeding Crobat anyways, which would also get you by modest scarf Chandelure, and scarf +nature base 71s. 248-252 speed EVs for that.

 

[President Shinra]

I'd love to do this but guarenteed whatever I post Sage's will still be cooler :)

 

[Sage]

Out

Might miss the vote, but Sage's set definitely gets mine.

Roost should be the first Slash though.

I'd probably also shoot for outspeeding Crobat anyways, which would also get you by modest scarf Chandelure, and scarf +nature base 71s. 248-252 speed EVs for that.

Outspeeding Crobat isn't really a priority since Crobat can't do anything to you. And Roost probably is better than Defog, but it's not the focus of the set so yeah. And ScarfKrow won't stay in, only 71 scarf i know. As for Modest Scarf Chandelure that's nice, but I like having a bit more bulk. Go with whatever floats your boat.

 

[Moose V]

Ya there's not too much out of the ordinary you can do with mega Aero and Sage has the most viable set here. I'll withdraw my set.

 

[Stoo]

i tried out pursuit aero on stall and its pretty nice, completely takes out 2 massive threats to defensive teams in CB victini and sub chandy. can also beat stuff like SD hera, SD luc and mixed nape if you give it EQ/aerial ace. plus can be adapted to include rocks and defog if needed. good set imo

 

[Bouff]

finally edited it , lol. Voting's now open!

edit: also i noticed that Kitten didnt post calcs or replays on his Celebi set; I'm obviously not going to do revoting but i'd really appreciate it if everyone actually followed this rule because i don't exactly want to enforce it, especially with someone i know :^(

 

[Ununhexium]

sage of the 6

 

[newfren]

Whoever Posted Pursuit Aero

 

[sparktrain]

sage of the 6

 

[KM]

sage of the 6, pursuit m-ae is the most viable thing to come out of this thread probably

 

[President Shinra]

Sage of the Seven Minus One

 

[Sage]

Calloflochie sub roost is annoying as hell to the opponent