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No, but Lunar Dance does.
Hello,
I am thinking of making balanced OU team, and I would like to ideally have a core that can take care of all relevant OU offensive threats. So, what pokemon can stop the most relevant offensive pokemon by itself, excluding Mega Mawile? Thanks!
I am thinking of making balanced OU team, and I would like to ideally have a core that can take care of all relevant OU offensive threats. So, what pokemon can stop the most relevant offensive pokemon by itself, excluding Mega Mawile? Thanks!
Something like Assault Vest Slowbro with Scald (Hydro Pump), Psyshock, thunderbolt, and ice beam can check a lot of the top tier ou pokemon and can form a good regenerator core with Tornadus-T and/or Amoongus.
Who do you guys think is getting suspected next, Charizard X, Thundurus, or Landorus?
The council will wait a few weeks after the potential Mawile ban before making any new suspects, so it's pointless to try and call one before the potential ban, but for the sake of conversation I'll say Thundurus.
Thundurus is very fast, and very powerful, but what makes so good is his ability to neutralise set-up sweepers, like DD Zard X, with Thunder Wave, and also use Thunder Wave to slow certain mons, like Greninja, opening a sweep for some of the slower pokemon, like M-Heracross.
Thundurus is very fast, and very powerful, but what makes so good is his ability to neutralise set-up sweepers, like DD Zard X, with Thunder Wave, and also use Thunder Wave to slow certain mons, like Greninja, opening a sweep for some of the slower pokemon, like M-Heracross.
Latwins will be the first threat "baited" by Physical Landorus-I, if it's what u've asked. RockPolish + KnockOff is usually unexpected. Of course you can use Swords Dance Landorus-I (but Landorus is too slower to sweep, this is the reason why CM Landorus Sheer Force is not strong as it seems) or, better, Double Boost Landorus-I (still outclassed by Therian as Alexander said). You need sand to get a nice n clean OHKO on Chansey. Latias is killed by +2 Stone Edge, Latios too. SDef Gliscor needs SR and Sand Force to be OHKOed by Stone Edge.
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Sand Force Landorus Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Sand: 711-838 (110.7 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Landorus Stone Edge vs. 24 HP / 0 Def Latias: 302-355 (98.3 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Landorus Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 331-391 (109.6 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Sand Force Landorus Stone Edge vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor in Sand: 295-348 (83.8 - 98.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Landorus-T does better tho, it doesnt need LO to shot Latwins w/Stone Edge, SR are enough.
Excadrill ignores abilities and would EQ right past Levitate.
Really? LO is not even listed as an option on the main Breloom thread. Even then, it still can't switch in because Iron Head will do close to 80%. Also Excadrill can just switch out leaving the weakened Breloom there for something to finish off.
If Breloom isn't as strong as i think, then can you please list some more counters other than the 4-5 mons we already listed? And I mean counters as in able to switch in and not take 75% damage in one turn.
I think that is what doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't having no/few hard counters mean the same as "centralizing"? It can do it's job pretty much all the time and is almost always a safe pick and lead (Lando I). There are also already pokemon that can 6-0 a team if they get 1-2 set up turns or if they take out one counter pokemon. I have swept many teams with 1 SD from my Scizor, Sub Unaware CM Clefable, Dragon Dance Gyarados/Dragonite, +2 Dread Plate Bisharp etc. They all can potentially sweep an entire team needing only 1 turn to do so and it isn't very hard to bring them in. It just doesn't make sense to ban specific things that fall under this category as well, especially if they don't cause weak players to dominate the top of the ladder. If something is in need of being banned, then shouldn't anyone be able to pick it up and start dominating with it? How come no one was able to dominate as hard as denis with BP, how come I can dominate so many scrubs that use Mega Mawile without thinking twice? Shouldn't ban worth Pokemon/Items/Strategies be instant win buttons for a majority of people?
Think about mega mawile, it just needs a bit of support (removal of fast willowisp and chip damage on bulky pokes) to sweep. Other sweepers, like mega scizor, all are much easier to check - most fires can take a bullet punch/knock off, so it needs a more support to be able to sweep. Most of those pokes you have mentioned do have counters and most prepared teams can stop a sweep from them; scizor- faster fire types, cm clef - bisharp/scizor/taunt users, dd's - prankster twave/scarf pokes (garchomp eg), bisharp - anything faster resists sucker punch/quagsire. The difference with mawile is that due to its power it only needs 1 boost to easily tear through a team. Mawile doesnt require as much skill to use as other set up sweepers and doesnt need as much support, although a bad player wont be able to utilise it well enough for a sweep.
Baton pass was an exception - it wasnt one mon, but a team that could deal with every poke in the meta and sweep with lack of skill.
It is hard for a mon to be an instant win button, because most pokes have counters (arguably not xzard/lando-i). The reason why the mon is broken is that they can find ways round counter (ice punch/eq mega luke) and some of the counters are obscure (bw2 lando-i ppl used arcticuno) or sometimes it requires a counter on a team (rotom-w shot up in usage bcus of lando-i.
Remember, no one should let a poke get a free turn of set up (definitely not 2) - the reason why mawile is so good is that it easily finds pokes to set up, that it either walls (latwins) or are scared of getting ko'd.
Mantine is ranked D in the OU Viability thread. What's a good moveset for it? Is it used as a defogger?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mantine-qc-0-3.3512244/
In that thread, you can read mantine's ou analysis. :)
Anyone have a good offensive partner or two for Agility Mega Amphy? In the infancy of teambuilding right now.
You can find Ampharos's analysis here. The Agility set is the first one listed. From the Team Options paragraph:
Also, the recommended set is Agility / Thunder(bolt) / Dragon Pulse / Focus Blast with max SpA and Speed with a Modest nature. Thunder if you're using it on a rain team, Thunderbolt if you're not.
Crazy attack power, amazing typing, nice priority move, good bulk, multiple fantastic sets, and one of his few counters just got banned (Aegislash, though even Aegis couldn't beat BD Azu as +4 Waterfall still OHKOd through shield form).
Hey guys, I've been away the pkm scene for a while. Is there any thread for teambuilding 101? or just some easiest strategy for starters?
Afaik, there's not really a teambuilding 101 thread, although there is a teambuilding chatroom on Pokemon Showdown. You can also post a partial team here for ideas, or in the RMT section once it's completed.
To get back into the scene, it might be easier to learn the OU metagame using existing teams. There are lots of good teams in the RMT section as well as in http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/team-archive-by-ctc.3513518, although some of the older teams in each can't be used, as a few pokemon have been suspect tested and banned from OU since the teams were made. It might be worth starting with a team like #16 from CTC's thread, as it's very easy to use, matches up fairly well against most teams, and combines two popular and effective playstyles, Sand Offense and Flying-spam.
Def Rotom-H handles physical fairies, shrugs off ice and is immune to ground and can pivot in. It also burns things, which helps Amphy's bulk for setting up.
Azumarill is also a good partner for absorbing ice and dragon attacks and killing opposing dragons and ground types. If Rotom-H can paralyse things first, so much the better.
Most people when they want to use Agility Mega Ampharos they use it on a rain team because they can use Thunder in Ampharos' set to use it at the best, so Politoed is your better choice (the set if you don't know is Agility / Thunder / Dragon Pulse / Focus Blast) then you are probably adding Swift Swimmers like Kingdra or Kabutops (or even both), but thats because you are using Rain, not because of Ampharos itself. If you are using Mega Ampharos in rain though, then Ferrothorn is a good choice, it can switch on both dragon and fairy types which Ampharos doesn't really like, it can also setup the Stealth Rock which are helpful in order to have a much easier Ampharos sweep in general.
definitely use a rain team as agility mega ampharos finds its home on rain teams with the thunder set that alexander described. you can run politoed / kabutops / ampharos / omastar / chople ferrothorn / tornadus t as my recommended variant but another similar variant is politoed / kabutops / ampharos / keldeo / ferrothorn / mamoswine. obviously you could go kingdra over keld in that build if you want but then id recommend some insurance outside of rain so something like hwish latias > mega ampharos is nice.
Oh cool, activity on this thread hooray.
Anyway, I'm making a sand team on a cart. My current team members are Specially defensive ttar, Evasion Garchomp, CB Scizor, Mega mawile and Overcoat mandibuzz. However, I have an extra slot which I'm not sure how to fill.
For the time being, I have a Special Sweeper Greninja, but it seems kinda awkward in the team... could someone give me ideas? Note that I don't have access to pokebank, so the pokemon must be available in kalos.
EDIT: fuck man could someone answer this question.
Anyway, I'm making a sand team on a cart. My current team members are Specially defensive ttar, Evasion Garchomp, CB Scizor, Mega mawile and Overcoat mandibuzz. However, I have an extra slot which I'm not sure how to fill.
For the time being, I have a Special Sweeper Greninja, but it seems kinda awkward in the team... could someone give me ideas? Note that I don't have access to pokebank, so the pokemon must be available in kalos.
EDIT: fuck man could someone answer this question.
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Here's the RMT thread thing: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/rate-my-team.52/ And yeah, the may have a good idea for the last member thing.
Ayy thanks, but this is only a minor question. I want to finish my team first before looking for a rate. And greninja on a sand team is not a finished sand team lol.
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