Bisharp is still 2HKOed 100% of the time by Life Orb recoil by modest eq anyway. And running quiet gets you outsped by defensive heatran, which is nice to outspeed when you have EQ especially. Running quiet means you also mean you underspeed BD Azumarill, which can OHKO sometimes with +6 Play Rough after Stealth Rocks. Overall Quiet doesn't give anything notable, while modest gives somethings situationally useful, so modest would be better.
Lefties Bisharp is definitely a thing, as is dread plate/blackglasses, collectively making up about 44% of all Bisharp. As for BD Azu, his most common spread (the one recommend on the dex) can still be outsped using Quiet by investing just 8 EVs into speed, so that's a nonissue. You do end up taking a second hit from defensive Heatran, but of course Mega Venu shouldn't be your go-to guy to hit Heatran in the first place. Which is to say, Mega Venu will rarely be 1v1ing him (rather trying to surprise and nail it on the switch in), and most teams should have something else to deal with it anyway, so I don't see it as that much of a downside. Plus, if we're already talking in terms of minuscule/situational benefits, the added damage of a neutral over negative attack nature isn't completely useless, for example if Heatran or whatever you're using EQ for has prior damage a 2HKO can become an OHKO.
I would recommend just running Defog/Rapid Spin on different mon, but if you're intent on using it on Scizor, you could use Life Orb instead of Band, to maintain the high damage output Scizor inflicts, and just run max HP to make up for the 10% HP loss. You could also have Roost if the HP loss is too much of a worry, as even with just 2 attacks, Scizor should still do it's job just as well for the most part.
Actually this debate of Modest vs Quiet on mixed offensive Venu has happened before somewhere, where they reached the conclusion of 20 Spe Modest with EQ or 0 Spe Quiet with Knock Off. I shall just tag Feliciano because ultimately he should be the one making the judgement for his own Venu: 12.5% more chance to 2HKO a full HP bisharp, or the ability to check Crocune, BD Azu better.
To elaborate a bit, with the banning of Aegislash people are realising that Jirachi can run a number of sets now which are very useful on all types of teams. Its defensive set counters Latias, Latios, Greninja, Mega Gardevoir, and Calm Mind Clefable. Its Choice Scarf set is pretty decent and its offensive Stealth Rock set isn't too bad either, especially with access to U-turn and Healing Wish. Jirachi has an insane movepool so it can really do quite a lot of things in the current XY meta.
Thanks for the input, escarlata and SoulRed12 . Unfortunately, I can't get a Knock Off Mega Venusaur (this is the first gen where I've had the ability to get competitive mons anywhere but on Showdown, so the only way I can get competitive mons with 5th gen tutor exclusive moves is by trading), and as I stated before I'm pretty terrible at breeding for Hidden Power, so EQ is really my only other option for an offensive set.
here's venu's analysis http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/venusaur-update.3511059/
According to the Showdown calculator, AV Conkeldurr runs 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpDef to make the most out of the Special Defense boost.
The only potential answer I could muster for this would be perhaps the Aftermath is a futile last attempt with the remaining energy the Pokemon has or something? Not really sure of why the mechanics work as such, nor could I find the reasoning behind such mechanics through my slight research.
I found the official VGC rules, and the ruling is this:
Here's the link where I got this: http://assets22.pokemon.com/assets/...14/Play_Pokemon_VG_Rules_and_Formats_2014.pdfVGC Rules said:
Thanks for the clarification. Philosophically, I'd strongly argue that situations where both final Pokemon die on the final turn should be ties, but that's a whole nother matter in itself.
Now that's a bit silly, I already explained why "Modest checks Crocune and BD Azu better than Quiet" is misleading/a nonissue. But sure, it's overall his own decision, it's just a good idea to frame the judgment call properly when presenting the decision.
My recommendation is max SpAtk, then put
My understanding of the logic is that 0% doesn't count as fainting, the pokemon has to actually do their fainting animation for it to count as fainting and the game just does whoever faints first. Not calling it good logic (or bad logic), just saying that's how they look at it.
Modest checks Suicune better because if you come in on anything other than Calm Mind, Suicune wouldn't get more than 1 boost up, whereas Quiet will always let it set up. As for Azu, despite what the set says onsite, according to usage stats, on both 1695 and 1825s, 252 Spe Azu is still a more common spread than 164 Spe Azu, so Modest is indeed checking it more reliably, because Modest 16 Spe outspeed 252 Adamant.
For Modest, 16 Spe is sufficient for Heatran because you are not running HP Fire to lower your Spe IV, and 40 is enough for EQ for the same reason. And as for Suicune's usage, losing 6 max HP for the ability to check 1.9% of the metagame is not exactly a bad trade-off.
Actually, I wasn't continuing to debate it, I just indicated that I had already addressed your points. In fact, you continued the debate by writing this (again, very misleading) last post. My intent was to leave it at my last post, but since you posted again, I guess I'll just leave it here.
You could. Depends on the nature (Speed if Jolly, Bulk if Adamant)
If you want to go bulky, the analysis recommends 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe. For offensive, it recommends 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe.
Thanks looks like it's going to be bulky :]
Roost lost it's TM status in generation 5 but returned to a TM in generation 6 so hence why it couldn't learn the move in combination with Poison Heal. It was a BW2 tutor move though so it could learn it in BW2, just not the original BW.
That and if you run Roost you either lose Toxic or EQ... At least on the SubToxic set... IDK
A lot of people get legendaries on the cart through RNG abuse in previous generations, and others get it through having been traded clones of RNG'd legends. And of course, many are simply hacked/gen'd.
