OU Latios (Dual Screens)

[AccidentalGreed]

rip Deox I shall offer you a Memento

QC Approvals: Jukain, aim, TRC
GP Approvals: fleurdyleurse, jukain
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Why this set should get an analysis:

• Deoxys is kill
• Latios is fast enough to get screens up
• Memento is good for more setup opportunities
• Dragon/Psychic typing gives it good resistances
• Offensive presence forces a lot of threats out, giving Latios opportunities to get screens up

Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage dealt by foes, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up and sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal pathetic damage to your chosen sweeper as it sets up. Memento can also be used as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive foes if Latios becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Even without any Special Attack investment, Draco Meteor still deals large amounts of damage to frail Pokemon. Draco Meteor also allows Latios to fake an offensive set, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up screens or pull off Memento in the face of greedy foes. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats such as Mega Venusaur, Terrakion, and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs; Psychic will usually deal more damage against Psyshock's usual targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is an extremely specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp, a threat that is otherwise problematic thanks to Pursuit as well its ability, Defiant, nullifying Memento's Attack drops. It should be noted that combined with Reflect, Hidden Power Fighting makes one of the few Latios sets that can actually beat Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power for a single moveslot.


Set Details
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252 HP and Speed EVs with a Timid nature make Latios as bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking a lot of damage from slower attacks. However, some investment in bulk can be run in order to set up screens more reliably. Notably, maximum HP investment guarantees that Latios can survive Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam and have a chance to check it. Light Clay is used to increase the amount of time Reflect and Light Screen stay on the field.

Usage Tips
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When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, Latios has access to Memento, decent defensive typing, and relatively higher offense than Azelf. Additionally, Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up screens. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has arguably better bulk and typing and can also check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf has access to Stealth Rock and Taunt, which are enormous positives that Latios does not have.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow Latios's teammates to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though in most cases you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or use Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
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This set is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, (Mega) Gyarados, and (Mega) Scizor are all Pokemon capable of doing this, as long as your chosen sweeper can avoid being fatally injured by a surprise Ice Beam, Fire Blast, or Rock-type attack from opposing Tyranitar.

Latios may struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame, especially the Swords Dance variant, can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while Dragonite and both forms of Gyarados are a little difficult to manage, either Reflect or Memento can hinder their incoming physical attacks. Simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarf users to your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Although this set doesn't benefit much from Stealth Rock support by itself, providing it is still very helpful as its typical offensive teammates appreciate the extra pressure, and Latios unfortunately lacks it. It is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is set up quickly without compromising momentum. Both of the aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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• • Light Screen and Reflect gives entire team boosted defenses for a few turns, allowing fellow sweepers to set up easily.
  • Memento lowers the opponent's offenses even further, offering more setup opportunities. Take care not to use this in front of defensive Pokemon like Mandibuzz and Chansey, though.
  • Draco Meteor gives the illusion of offensive Latios, and doesn't make it Taunt bait.
  • Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats in emergencies, such as Keldeo and Mega Venusaur. (Note: Psychic is more useful than Psyshock due to better damage output against these threats, and without investment and an offensive item, Psyshock ain't doing jack to Chansey and Sylveon)
  • Dragon Pulse offers too little super effective coverage and is also too weak to be used.
  • Hidden Power Fighting takes care of Bisharp, but this requires some prediction and otherwise offers bad coverage, power.

Set Details
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• Max HP and Spe makes Latios and overall bulky and speedy as possible. Max HP notably allows Latios to survive an OHKO from Greninja's Life Orb Ice Beam.
• Light Clay increases screen duration.

Usage Tips
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• Use this set as a lead for offensive teams.
• Latios's notoriety for being offensive and ability to scare off some threats can come in handy sometimes.
• Try not to let the opposing team set up too many hazards alongside you.
• Keep in mind pros and cons of using Latias over Azelf. Latios can check more things and has Memento, but lacks Stealth Rock and Taunt, which are enormous negatives.
• You typically want to use Memento on Defog users
• Don't Memento right away! You can always come back in, get a screen up, and use Memento.

Team Options
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• Latios has a bad matchup against leading Bisharp and Tyranitar so ideally, it should be paired with sweepers that can set up against these three. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, and Scizor are cool options for this.
• Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you don't make yourself vulnerable to a single threat/attack.
• Stealth Rock support is optional, though keep in mind that it might waste screen turns. Fast and offensive SR setters like Garchomp and Terrakion can do this, in addition to setting up Swords Dance for their own sweep.
• Latios can easily be set up on by Speed boosters such as Charizard, Volcarona, and Dragonite, and since Memento can only do so much, make sure to have backup insurance against these threats.
• Charizard-X checks a lot of things that threaten Latios. Best set is probably SD-Tailwind.
• Belly Drum Azumarill is also a disgustingly good sweeper that performs significantly well behind screens.

 

[Jukain]

pls don't even mention roost, it's so passive that it just makes this thing fodder for everything and it can't rly check keldeo without an attacking move.

mention what the advantages are of this over azelf. basically checking certain things (keldeo, lando, char y, etc) and memento, but it doesn't have sr which is an enormous negative because of how deo-s worked/azelf works (1 screen, sr) that hazard is a crucial thing to have. it also doesn't have taunt.

usage tips that you typically wanna memento on defoggers...just to keep up the offensive pressure with your screens on the field and get in a sweeper to pop the defogger.

oh and you don't have to memento right away! if you can screen and live a hit (typical) to come back in later and get another screen, go for that because then you have a screen for your first sweeper to start blasting, and something else can get a screen later to be really difficult to deal with espec with a weakened opposing team.

mention sd tailwind zard x which not only is amazing under screens but also checks things that this set hates, like bisharp, mawile, aegi, and skarmory to defog.

mention bd azumarill as a specific screens partner because it is a fucking monster under screens, even more than anything else it's just so difficult to deal with because most offensive teams rely on revenge killing with crap that can't kill under screens. also pairs well with aforementioned sd tailwind zard x because they break each others answers and azumarill loves to take advantage of tailwind.

qc 1/3

 

[jbtc10]

Hidden Power Fighting could be slashed in addition to or instead of Psychic in the last slot, because Bisharp gets a +2 in Atk overall from Memento as it gets a raise for each different stat lowered, which can defeat the point in putting the screen(s) up. Bisharp is also already enough of a concern for Latios as it is anyway and could easily set up in front of this as well, so luring and taking him out for free while also getting up screens and then a Memento to enable a set-up opportunity is an excellent deal. Beware though that it reduces your speed by 1 point (which doesn't matter most of the time, only matters if they have a Latios of their own directly in front of you).

 

[aim]

I feel that, though you mentioned HP Fighting, it should honestly be slashed as Bisharp is a definitely switch in and doesn't mind memento at all. Generally this mon isn't gonna be attacking anyway but just to be safe.

 

[Saucy Raichu]

Hidden Power Fire is also notable for ferrothorns and scizors, and should be slashed with HP fighting imo

 

[aim]

Progress AccidentalGreed ?

 

[AccidentalGreed]

Ah, just awaiting QC checks, and I already mentioned HP Fighting a long time ago haha

 

[aim]

haha 2/3 man go ahead and write this up

 

[AccidentalGreed]

haha 2/3 man go ahead and write this up

Done =]

Awaiting the third

 

[trc]

3/3 nice job :]

 

[AccidentalGreed]

Coolio

Go get 'im yeh GP

 

[bb skarm]

Just an amateur check

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage from incoming attacks, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up a sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios's life, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal insignificant damage to your chosen sweeper. Memento can also be used in as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive opponents if it becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Despite being uninvested, Draco Meteor still deals decent damage against frail Pokemon. Additionally, it may establish the impression that Latios is offensive rather than supportive, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up dual screens or Memento in the face of greedy opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs—Psychic will usually deal more damage against its other targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is a super-specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp; (RSC). (AP) It should be noted that with Reflect, this set is one of the few that can actually beat it Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power.

Set Details
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Maximized HP and Speed with a Timid nature makes Latios as overall bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking dire damage from otherwise slower attacks. Notably, maximized HP guarantees that Latios can survive an OHKO from (this is already implied) Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, giving it a chance to check it. Light Clay is, of course, a requirement to increase screen duration.

Usage Tips
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When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, it Latios has Memento and has, (AC) a decent defensive typing, (AC) and relatively higher offense over Azelf. Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can also scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has Prankster and can check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf brings Stealth Rock and Taunt to the table, which are enormous positives that Latios wishes it had.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its fellow sweepers to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Use exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
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This set, as usual of dual screeners, is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, and (Mega) Scizor are good team options for this, although you should keep caution for Fighting-, Ice-, and Fire-type moves.

Latios may also struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame (preferably the Swords Dance variant) can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Gyarados and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, Reflect can ease the damage somewhat, and simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarved Scarfed Pokemon on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is up quickly without compromising momentum. Both aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

 

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage from incoming attacks, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up a sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios's life, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal insignificant damage to your chosen sweeper. Memento can also be used in as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive opponents if it becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Despite being uninvested, Draco Meteor still deals decent damage against frail Pokemon. Additionally, it may establish the impression that Latios is offensive rather than supportive, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up dual screens or Memento in the face of greedy opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs—Psychic will usually deal more damage against its other targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is a super-specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp; (RSC). (AP) It should be noted that with Reflect, this set is one of the few that can actually beat it Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power.

Set Details
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Maximized HP and Speed with a Timid nature makes Latios as overall bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking dire damage from otherwise slower attacks. Notably, maximized HP guarantees that Latios can survive an OHKO from (this is already implied) Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, giving it a chance to check it. Light Clay is, of course, a requirement to increase screen duration.

Usage Tips
========
When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, it Latios has Memento and has, (AC) a decent defensive typing, (AC) and relatively higher offense over Azelf. Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can also scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has Prankster and can check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf brings Stealth Rock and Taunt to the table, which are enormous positives that Latios wishes it had.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its fellow sweepers to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Use exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
========
This set, as usual of dual screeners, is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, and (Mega) Scizor are good team options for this, although you should keep caution for Fighting-, Ice-, and Fire-type moves.

Latios may also struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame (preferably the Swords Dance variant) can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Gyarados and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, Reflect can ease the damage somewhat, and simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarved Scarfed Pokemon on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is up quickly without compromising momentum. Both aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

Thanks for the check, dood, though I kept the (Mega) parts to denote that Scizor and Gyarados's normal and Mega formes are both perfectly usable, in contrast to things like, say, Pinsir.

 

[bb skarm]

Thanks for the check, dood, though I kept the (Mega) parts to denote that Scizor and Gyarados's normal and Mega formes are both perfectly usable, in contrast to things like, say, Pinsir.

Thanks :) I barred those out only because it says so in the spelling/grammar standards, but I'm pretty sure the way you wrote it is just as fine.

 

[fleurdyleurse]

hi

check

Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
========
The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage from incoming attackdealt by foes, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up and sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios's life, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal pathetic damage to your chosen sweeper. Memento can also be used as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive opponents if itLatios becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Despite being unEven without any Special Attack investedment, Draco Meteor still deals heavylarge amounts of damage againsto frail Pokemon. Said attack canDraco Meteor also establish the impression that Latios isallows Latios to fake an offensive rather than supportiveset, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up screens or pull off Memento in the face of greedy opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs—; Psychic will usually deal more damage against its usual targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is a super-n extremely specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp. It should be noted that with Reflect, this set is one of the few Latios sets that can actually beat Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power for a single moveslot.


Set Details
========
Maximized252 HP and Speed EVs with a Timid nature make Latios as overall bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking direa lot of damage from slower attacksthe foe. Notably, maximized HP guarantees that Latios can survive Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, giving it a chance to check it. Light Clay is a requirementused to increase sthe amount of time Ligh Screen duratiand Reflect stay on the field.

Usage Tips
========
When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, Latios has Memento and has decent defensive typing and relatively higher offense over Azelf. Additionally, Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up screens. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has arguably better (albeit invested) bulk and typing and can also check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf bringshas access to Stealth Rock and Taunt to the table, which are enormous positives that Latios wishdoes inot hadve.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its fellow sweeperteammates to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or use Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
========
This set, as usual of dual screeners, is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, (Mega) Gyarados, and (Mega) Scizor are good team options for this, although you should keep caution forbeware of Fighting-, Ice-, Rock-, and Fire-type moves.

Latios may struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame (preferab, especially the Swords Dance variant), can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Gyarados and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, Reflect and/or Memento can hinder their incoming physical attacks, and simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarfed Pokemon users on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is set up quickly without compromising momentum. Both of the aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

GP 1/2

 

[AccidentalGreed]

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
========
The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage from incoming attackdealt by foes, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up and sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios's life, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal pathetic damage to your chosen sweeper. Memento can also be used as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive opponents if itLatios becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Despite being unEven without any Special Attack investedment, Draco Meteor still deals heavylarge amounts of damage againsto frail Pokemon. Said attack canDraco Meteor also establish the impression that Latios isallows Latios to fake an offensive rather than supportiveset, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up screens or pull off Memento in the face of greedy opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs—; Psychic will usually deal more damage against its usual targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is a super-n extremely specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp. It should be noted that with Reflect, this set is one of the few Latios sets that can actually beat Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power for a single moveslot.


Set Details
========
Maximized252 HP and Speed EVs with a Timid nature make Latios as overall bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking direa lot of damage from slower attacksthe foe. Notably, maximized HP guarantees that Latios can survive Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, giving it a chance to check it. Light Clay is a requirementused to increase sthe amount of time Ligh Screen duratiand Reflect stay on the field.

Usage Tips
========
When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, Latios has Memento and has decent defensive typing and relatively higher offense over Azelf. Additionally, Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up screens. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has arguably better (albeit invested) bulk and typing and can also check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf bringshas access to Stealth Rock and Taunt to the table, which are enormous positives that Latios wishdoes inot hadve.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its fellow sweeperteammates to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or use Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
========
This set, as usual of dual screeners, is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, (Mega) Gyarados, and (Mega) Scizor are good team options for this, although you should keep caution forbeware of Fighting-, Ice-, Rock-, and Fire-type moves.

Latios may struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame (preferab, especially the Swords Dance variant), can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Gyarados and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, Reflect and/or Memento can hinder their incoming physical attacks, and simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarfed Pokemon users on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is set up quickly without compromising momentum. Both of the aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

GP 1/2

I commend you for giving me one of the highest number of changes I've ever had to make on an analysis this year. :U

Other than that, awaiting the last check!

 

[Winry]

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage dealt by foes, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up and sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal pathetic damage to your chosen sweeper. Memento can also be used as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive foes opponents if Latios becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Even without any Special Attack investment, Draco Meteor still deals large amounts of damage to frail Pokemon. Draco Meteor also allows Latios to fake an offensive set, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up screens or pull off Memento in the face of greedy foes opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, (RC) such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs; Psychic will usually deal more damage against Psyshock's its usual targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is an extremely specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp. It should be noted that with Reflect, this set is one of the few Latios sets that can actually beat Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power for a single moveslot.


Set Details
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252 HP and Speed EVs with a Timid nature make Latios as bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking a lot of damage from slower attacks. Notably, maximized HP guarantees that Latios can survive Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, (RC) giving it and have a chance to check it. Light Clay is used to increase the amount of time Reflect and Light Screen stay on the field.

Usage Tips
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When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, Latios has access to Memento, (AC) and has decent defensive typing, (AC) and relatively higher offense over than Azelf. Additionally, Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up screens. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has arguably better bulk and typing and can also check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf has access to Stealth Rock and Taunt, which are enormous positives that Latios does not have.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its Latios's teammates to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or use Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
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This set is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, (Mega) Mega Gyarados, Gyarados, (AC) and (Mega) Mega Scizor, (AC) are good team options for and Scizor are all Pokemon capable of doing this,. (change comma to period) although However, (AC) you should beware be wary of moves that hit each for super effective damage, (AC) such as Fighting-, Ice-, Rock-, and Fire-type moves. (I know what you meant by the (Mega), however, there are going to be users that aren't as familiar with the terminology. I realize it sounds a bit clunky but I think it is best that you list each Pokemon.)

Latios may struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, (AC) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame, especially the Swords Dance variant, can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Dragonite and both forms of Gyarados are and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, either Reflect and/or Memento can hinder their incoming physical attacks, and s. (change comma to period) Simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarf users to on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is set up quickly without compromising momentum. Both of the aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

 

[Jukain]

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Dual Screen Support
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name: Dual Screen Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Memento
move 4: Draco Meteor / Psychic / Hidden Power Fighting
item: Light Clay
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid

Moves
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The combination of Light Screen and Reflect significantly decreases the damage dealt by foes, which gives Latios's fellow offensive teammates more opportunities to switch in and potentially set up and sweep. Memento is an equally important component of the set; in exchange for Latios, it lowers the opposing Pokemon's offenses even further, which forces it to either switch out or deal pathetic damage to your chosen sweeper as it sets up. Memento can also be used as a last-ditch effort to cripple offensive opponents if Latios becomes disposable in battle or doesn't have time to set up both screens.

The last slot is dedicated to a single attack. Even without any Special Attack investment, Draco Meteor still deals large amounts of damage to frail Pokemon. Draco Meteor also allows Latios to fake an offensive set, which can potentially give Latios more opportunities to set up screens or pull off Memento in the face of greedy opponents. Psychic is a more consistent option that checks a fair amount of OU threats, such as Mega Venusaur and Keldeo. While it may seem tempting to use Psyshock to hit special walls such as Sylveon and Blissey, it will not deal significant damage to them without investment, Life Orb, or Choice Specs; Psychic will usually deal more damage against its usual targets anyway. Hidden Power Fighting is an extremely specific option that gives Latios a chance to OHKO Bisharp. this is a bit ambiguous, maybe mention something about what makes bisharp a problem? like memento boosting its attack and all that It should be noted that combined with Reflect, this set Hidden Power Fighting makes this one of the few Latios sets that can actually beat Bisharp somewhat comfortably. Outside of this, however, it provides horrible coverage and power for a single moveslot.


Set Details
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252 HP and Speed EVs with a Timid nature make Latios as bulky and fast as possible. The Speed is required so that Latios can set up screens without taking a lot of damage from slower attacks. However, some investment in bulk can be run in order to set up screens more reliably. i feel this is a necessary transitory sentence because otherwise the transition to the next point doesn't flow Notably, maximizedum HP investment guarantees that Latios can survive Greninja's Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam, giving it a chance to check it. Light Clay is used to increase the amount of time Reflect and Light Screen stay on the field.

Usage Tips
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When creating your team, keep in mind the pros and cons of using Latios as your dual screens user. In a nutshell, Latios has Memento and has decent defensive typing and relatively higher offense over Azelf. Additionally, Latios's notoriety for being a huge offensive threat can scare off threats and force switches, which definitely comes in handy when setting up screens. On the other hand, Latias has greater bulk and has massive supportive utility with Healing Wish, Klefki has arguably better bulk and typing and can also check threats with its priority Thunder Wave in a pinch, while Azelf has access to Stealth Rock and Taunt, which are enormous positives that Latios does not have.

This set should typically be used early-game to allow its teammates to set up as soon as possible. It can even be used as a lead, though in most cases you should definitely not use Memento right away, as Latios can always come in again and set up screens and/or use Memento. You should also typically use Memento on Defog users to prevent them from removing the screens right away. Exercise caution when using it against teams with Defiant Bisharp, and try not to waste it in vain on weak walls such as Chansey and Skarmory.

Team Options
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This set is designed to be used on hyper offensive teams with multiple setup sweepers, so it doesn't require that much support. However, it has a bad matchup against threats such as Bisharp and Tyranitar, so it should ideally be paired up with offensive Pokemon that can comfortably set up against them. Mega Tyranitar, Mega Pinsir, Landorus, (Mega) Gyarados, and (Mega) Scizor are good team options for this, although you should beware of Fighting-, Ice-, Rock-, and Fire-type moves. not really a gp point but keldeo instantly jumped to mind when you said this, mention that maybe? -- also i don't really understand what the bit about bewaring of those moves is, perhaps explain that a bit more or remove it, which is what i would do (the latter)

Latios may struggle against threats that boost their Speed while it sets up, as this set can't do significant damage against the likes of Volcarona, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite. Talonflame, especially the Swords Dance variant, can check Volcarona in a pinch, and while (Mega) Gyarados and Dragonite are a little difficult to manage, Reflect and/or Memento can hinder their incoming physical attacks, and simply adding physically defensive Clefable, Mamoswine, or Choice Scarf users on your team should be able to take care of them. Other than the sweepers mentioned above, you can pretty much use anything else, as long as you do not make your team defensively vulnerable to a single threat or type of attack.

Stealth Rock support is optional i like the point you make after this but this is a bit vague and presents the point in a weird manner, as stealth rock is on every competitive team, but it is advised to set them up in advance instead of wasting turns after the screens are set up. Fast and offensive users of this move, such as Garchomp and Focus Sash Terrakion, ensure that Stealth Rock is set up quickly without compromising momentum. Both of the aforementioned Pokemon also have access to Swords Dance, so it is entirely possible to switch them in later and attempt a sweep with screens set up.

gp 2/2

 

[AccidentalGreed]

Jukain Thanks for the check (holy shit I never knew you joined GP), I implemented all those changes, be sure to check on all the parts where you marked pink.

Nicaea implemented most of your changes as well, though I'm keeping several parts the same as several of the changes you mentioned are fine in a typical analysis

 

[Jukain]

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