How would Stance Change work, however? No other Pokemon has another stance!
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Ability Shift
- Thread starter Halliday
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I thought you would go to a defensive stance if you used any status move.
EV
Banned deucer.
They all turn into Shield Form Aegislash.
Or blade form.
Well as this meta's run as omotm comes to a close, I must say that this has been one of the most fun I've had a chance to play. And as the 4th on the ladder (as of posting), I want to share what I've noticed have been effective checks and counters to most of the controversial pokemon, along with other things that do well in the current metagame.
Entei- Probably the best protean abuser along with Deo-S, Entei's ability to use Espeed to KO Greninja (if it's taken 10-15% residual damage), burn dusclops semi reliably with sacred fire, maimTorkoal with stone edge (OHKOing the shell smash set), and just being an extremely powerful physical wall breaker make him a great revenge killer on most teams.
Gourgeist Super- Being a less mixed and less bulky fur coat wall than Dusclops, it does have a niche over Dusclops in the fact that it gains a more reliable recovery in the form of leech seed, additionaly it allows it to not be crippled if the opponent switches in Tentacruel or Torkoal, impair a Chansey/Blissey switch in, and be able to cripple a Greninja with a will-o or just KO it with a seed bomb if its taken any damage (0 Atk Gourgeist-Super Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 240-284 (83.9 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
Tentacruel- With magic bounce, sp. def Tentacruel can completely wall all non-smash torkaol, but still beats special smash torkoal 1v1, and is only beat by sets carrying eq. Additionally, in can hold its own vs the most of the trapping mons due to its inability to be toxic stalled. Furthermore, it can set t-spikes(which I have found to be extremely useful in the meta), while simultaneously spinning away and reflecting other hazards.
Thundurus-T- It gets water absorb. With a scarf, it reliably can threaten Greninja with volt switch and abuse the low number of common ground types.
Lucario-M- Although at this point I'm not sure if he's part of the group of recognized powerful pokemon at this point, with Aerilate and Espeed, Lucario can come in and revenge kill non-sashed Simple bugs without any trouble whatsoever. Also, its high speed and attack allow it to make for a very good SD sweeper, although it has to choose between crunch for fur coat ghosts and and stone edge to lure and destroy wonder guard mons.
Shaymin-S- By far the best of the trpper mons, due to it having one thing that rest don't: immediately powerful special attack coupled with speed higher than even Greninja. In addition, it can use a subseed + two attacks to create a good balance between defensive and offensive trapping.
Other than these things, I can't think of anything off the top of my head that consistently can contribute to every match they are brought too, however the use of entry hazards have been extremely useful for me in most matches, as so far I haven't seen too many teams prepared to deal with them. The standard threats that have already been discussed in the thread (Greninja, Snorlax, Shadow tag, Torkoal, Deo-S, Ludicolo/ slowbro) are also, as we know, very useful. Things like Raikou, Lanturn, Ampharos, Dragalge, Skarm, Starmie, and the simple bugs I've also seen been used to good success, however they all struggle consistently against a good amount of the most used mons, however they don't consistently perform as well as other things for various reasons.
Entei- Probably the best protean abuser along with Deo-S, Entei's ability to use Espeed to KO Greninja (if it's taken 10-15% residual damage), burn dusclops semi reliably with sacred fire, maimTorkoal with stone edge (OHKOing the shell smash set), and just being an extremely powerful physical wall breaker make him a great revenge killer on most teams.
Gourgeist Super- Being a less mixed and less bulky fur coat wall than Dusclops, it does have a niche over Dusclops in the fact that it gains a more reliable recovery in the form of leech seed, additionaly it allows it to not be crippled if the opponent switches in Tentacruel or Torkoal, impair a Chansey/Blissey switch in, and be able to cripple a Greninja with a will-o or just KO it with a seed bomb if its taken any damage (0 Atk Gourgeist-Super Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 240-284 (83.9 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
Tentacruel- With magic bounce, sp. def Tentacruel can completely wall all non-smash torkaol, but still beats special smash torkoal 1v1, and is only beat by sets carrying eq. Additionally, in can hold its own vs the most of the trapping mons due to its inability to be toxic stalled. Furthermore, it can set t-spikes(which I have found to be extremely useful in the meta), while simultaneously spinning away and reflecting other hazards.
Thundurus-T- It gets water absorb. With a scarf, it reliably can threaten Greninja with volt switch and abuse the low number of common ground types.
Lucario-M- Although at this point I'm not sure if he's part of the group of recognized powerful pokemon at this point, with Aerilate and Espeed, Lucario can come in and revenge kill non-sashed Simple bugs without any trouble whatsoever. Also, its high speed and attack allow it to make for a very good SD sweeper, although it has to choose between crunch for fur coat ghosts and and stone edge to lure and destroy wonder guard mons.
Shaymin-S- By far the best of the trpper mons, due to it having one thing that rest don't: immediately powerful special attack coupled with speed higher than even Greninja. In addition, it can use a subseed + two attacks to create a good balance between defensive and offensive trapping.
Other than these things, I can't think of anything off the top of my head that consistently can contribute to every match they are brought too, however the use of entry hazards have been extremely useful for me in most matches, as so far I haven't seen too many teams prepared to deal with them. The standard threats that have already been discussed in the thread (Greninja, Snorlax, Shadow tag, Torkoal, Deo-S, Ludicolo/ slowbro) are also, as we know, very useful. Things like Raikou, Lanturn, Ampharos, Dragalge, Skarm, Starmie, and the simple bugs I've also seen been used to good success, however they all struggle consistently against a good amount of the most used mons, however they don't consistently perform as well as other things for various reasons.
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You can just switch the offenses/defenses of the said Pokemon
lol, or if it has another form...
Stance Change Meloetta: If it uses a Special move, Aria Forme. If it uses a Physical move, Pirouette Forme. Status moves have no change.
It should really work with Offenses / Defenses and Attacking / Status Moves, otherwise it's just another ability
Good point. Actually, it should be attacking moves / Protect, Spiky Shield or King's Shield
What about detect, mat block, quick guard, and wide guard?
Oh yeah... Detect works, the others wouldn't.
I think you forgot Crafty Shield :P
Crafty shield doesn't block damage.
Fair enough, although a lot of things aren't blocked by King's Shield too.
I like the fact the past two MotMs have been based around "Abilities"
Ability shift roxx still I suck in Shift ability :(
Bumping this because I am trying to revive this.
Will edit this posts with the changes later (and the OP)
- Greninja is banned
- Shadow tag is banned completely
- Torkoal is banned
- When choosing your abilities, you skip over flower gift, forecast, stance change, zen mode, shadow tag, moody,
I'm also implementing a council for future tiering decisions, and so on
Will edit this posts with the changes later (and the OP)
- Greninja is banned
- Shadow tag is banned completely
- Torkoal is banned
- When choosing your abilities, you skip over flower gift, forecast, stance change, zen mode, shadow tag, moody,
I'm also implementing a council for future tiering decisions, and so on
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Serene grace becomes shed skin. Possibly useful on chansey.
Wait, why on Earth is Torkoal banned? I played this back in the day, and Heatmor is much more effective and still not broken.
cause bulk+WG=profit
It's ability to heal is garbage and it lacks good support moves in general. Heatmor can actually do stuff like trap opponents, keep switching in and out on Rocks, Taunt attempts to Toxic it, etc. Heatmor is also better durability against Special moves due to its higher HP, in spite of having slightly lower Special Defense than Torkoal. Why the heck would it matter that Torkoal has good Defense when everything else about it is less useful than Heatmor's traits?