Project Counter that Threat! 21st Week: Snover - Counters Submissions

[OP]

Fiend's Chespin

 

[The TurtleLord]

fiend hound's chespin

 

[Melon]

Fiend's Chespin

 

[Fiend]

Tazz's Munchlax, ubér legit mon

 

[sparktrain]

The TurtleLord's Stunky

It checkmates Gastly with Pursuit, something other counters can't claim to do

 

[Vileman]

Stunky

 

[apt-get]

Stunky
Why are people voting chespin when stunky fully counters it + traps :o

 

[The Quasar]

The TurtleLord's Stunky

 

[tazz]

Is it even worth voting? Basically this week it was whoever reserved stunky first
Stunky

 

[Yagura]

The winner was as expected The TurtleLord

The victim this week is:

Timburr @ Eviolite
Ability: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 196 Atk / 76 Def / 156 SpD
Impish Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Mach Punch
- Poison Jab

Submitting ends 9th September at 6pm GMT.

 

[trash]

macle (Croagunk) @ Eviolite
Ability: Dry Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 132 HP / 108 Atk / 116 Def / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Gunk Shot
- Knock Off

Set up "Bulk Up" then use drain punch for recovery and hit hard with gunk shot.

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(turn 1) get hit by knock off
196 Atk Timburr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 132 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO
(turn 2) bulk up and get dpunched
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. +1 132 HP / 116 Def Croagunk: 3-5 (13 - 21.7%) -- possible 5HKO
(turn 3) bulk up and get dpunched
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. +2 132 HP / 116 Def Croagunk: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO
(turn 4) bulk up and get dpunched
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. +3 132 HP / 116 Def Croagunk: 3-3 (13 - 13%) -- guaranteed 8HKO
(turn 5) bulk up and get dpunched
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. +4 132 HP / 116 Def Croagunk: 2-3 (8.6 - 13%) -- possible 8HKO
(turn 6) use dpunch to regain HP or gunk shot to OHKO/gunk at 3hp
+4 108+ Atk Croagunk Drain Punch vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 16-21 (64 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
or
+4 108+ Atk Croagunk Gunk Shot vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 27-33 (108 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO
---Timburr using mach---
196 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. +4 132 HP / 116 Def Croagunk: 1-2 (4.3 - 8.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
(1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)

 

[Corporal Levi]

Foongus @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 5
EVs: 124 HP / 160 Def / 160 SpD
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Spore
- Synthesis

 

[blarajan]

Trubbish @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 36 Atk / 180 Def / 100 SpD / 76 Spe
Impish Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Recycle
- Toxic
- Infestation

Fuck your Timburr.

 

[The Quasar]

Vullaby@Eviolite
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 156 Atk / 80 SAtk / 120 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Knock Off
- Roost
- Hidden Power Fighting / U-Turn

That's the "standard" offensive Vullaby. Its Brave Bird is really lethal, otherwise Timburr is not able to defeat Vullaby, despite its priority and Knock Off.

Calcs in blue are Timbur's best scenario when Vullaby switch in

196 Atk Timburr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 3-4 (12 - 16%) -- possible 7HKO
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 7-9 (28 - 36%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
156 Atk Vullaby Brave Bird vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 18-24 (72 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Vullaby: 10-13 (40 - 52%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO
196 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Vullaby: 6-7 (24 - 28%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO

 

[Fiend]

Ekans @ Eviolite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 168 Def / 36 SpA / 12 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Acid Spray
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

Ekans switches into Timburr, Intimidate bringing giving it -1 Attack. Knock Off then is a 4-5HKO allowing Acid Spray and Giga Drain to kill Timburr. RestTalk allows Ekans to beat Timburr and stay healthy enough throughout the match to switch in. Not being able to break the Rest cycle sucks for Timburr.

calcs

-1 196 Atk Timburr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 168+ Def Eviolite Ekans: 5-6 (21.7 - 26%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
(5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

-1 196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. 236 HP / 168+ Def Ekans: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)

36 SpA Ekans Acid Spray vs. 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 3-4 (12 - 16%) -- possible 7HKO
(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
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36 SpA Ekans Acid Spray vs. -2 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 6-7 (24 - 28%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO
(6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
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36 SpA Ekans Giga Drain vs. -4 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 11-13 (44 - 52%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
(11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)



Other Moves:
-1 196 Atk Timburr Poison Jab vs. 236 HP / 168+ Def Ekans: 2-3 (8.6 - 13%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock
(2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)

-1 196 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. 236 HP / 168+ Def Ekans: 2-3 (8.6 - 13%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock
(2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)

36 SpA Ekans Acid Spray vs. -4 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 7-10 (28 - 40%) -- 98.9% chance to 3HKO
(7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)

36 SpA Ekans Giga Drain vs. -6 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 15-18 (60 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 18)

36 SpA Ekans Acid Spray vs. -6 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 12-15 (48 - 60%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO
(12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15)

 

[The TurtleLord]

Koffing (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
Level: 5
EVs: 196 HP / 160 Def / 76 SpD / 76 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Sludge Bomb
- Thunderbolt/Flamethrower
- Pain Split

Koffing can switch into timburr easily. 76 speed evs lets koffing get 11 speed, always out speeding this timburr by 1 point. Knock off doesn't do very much at all, while sludge bomb does decent enough damage. Pain split will keep it healthy. bonus points for being the mascot of smogon

Calcs:

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196 Atk Timburr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 36 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Koffing: 5-6 (23.8 - 28.5%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO
0 SpA Koffing Sludge Bomb vs. 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 7-9 (28 - 36%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO

 

[Eren Yeagar]

Grimer @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 36 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Shadow Sneak
- Fire Punch
- Thief
This Grimer set works in all the scenarios when you switch into Timburr. Sticky hold, Grimer's ability, will also let Grimer's berry juice stay intact and negate the knock off bonus power when the user knocks off an item.Its fighting type moves can't do much to Grimer and poison jab won't do much too. Gunk shot, Grimer's most powerful STAB, will have a 90.2% to 2HKO, but that's why you have shadow sneak as priority so you can finish up Timburr. The speed-creeping in this Grimer set is also important since Grimer doesn't have to worry about Timburr outspeeding it and KOing Grimer.

Oh yeah, thief is a fun move to use to steal your opponent's item after you use your berry juice.

Another cool thing is if you 2HKO Timburr, Grimer basically acts like Timburr didn't even attack it since Timburr triggers Grimer's berry juice before the turn you outspeed Timburr and KO it.

Calcs

196 Atk Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 6-8 (25 - 33.3%) -- 59.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

Then go for Gunk Shot:

196+ Atk Grimer Gunk Shot vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 12-15 (48 - 60%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO

If you poison Timburr, don't worry knock off will still not KO Grimer and then set your berry juice.

196 Atk Guts Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 10-12 (41.6 - 50%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Finally you go for gunk shot and let it KO or let the poison kill it.

Additional Calcs:
196 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 5-6 (20.8 - 25%) -- 99.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
196 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 3-4 (12.5 - 16.6%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
196 Atk Timburr Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 4-5 (16.6 - 20.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[apt-get]

Grimer @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 116 Def / 36 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Shadow Sneak
- Fire Punch
- Thief
This Grimer set works in all the scenarios when you switch into Timburr, such as when Timburr is bulking up or going straight for the knock off. Sticky hold, Grimer's ability, will also let Grimer's berry juice stay intact and negate the knock off bonus power when the user knocks off an item.Its fighting type moves can't do much to Grimer and poison jab won't do much too. Gunk shot, Grimer's most powerful STAB, will have a 90.2% to 2HKO, but that's why you have shadow sneak as priority so you can finish up Timburr. The speed-creeping in this Grimer set is also important since Grimer doesn't have to worry about Timburr outspeeding it and KOing Grimer.

Oh yeah, thief is a fun move to use to steal your opponent's item after you use your berry juice.

Calcs + Scenarios

Scenario 1 - Timburr Going Straight For Knock Off
196 Atk Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 6-8 (25 - 33.3%) -- 59.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

Then go for Gunk Shot:

196+ Atk Grimer Gunk Shot vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 12-15 (48 - 60%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO

If you poison Timburr, don't worry knock off will still not KO Grimer and then set your berry juice.

196 Atk Guts Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 10-12 (41.6 - 50%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Finally you go for gunk shot and let it KO or let the poison kill it.

Scenario 2 - Timburr Goes For Bulk Up On The Switch
+1 196 Atk Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 10-12 (41.6 - 50%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Berry Juice will then do its job and heal Grimer after this knock off.

196+ Atk Grimer Gunk Shot vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 12-15 (48 - 60%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO

If Timburr gets poisoned:

+1 196 Atk Guts Timburr Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 116 Def Grimer: 13-16 (54.1 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

You can still take it and let gunk shot KO or let poison take it down.

if timburr goes for bulk up twice, I think it wins
also, you forgot the +1 def in the gunk shot calcs in the second scenario

 

[Yagura]

if timburr goes for bulk up twice, I think it wins
also, you forgot the +1 def in the gunk shot calcs in the second scenario

Except that the topic set doesn't have Bulk Up. I could've put it too but to make stuff easier and make some Pokémon work as counters I decided to not slash it.

 

[Eren Yeagar]

Calcs changed. Sorry that I misinterpreted Timburr to have bulk up.

 

[Yagura]

Voting time:

trash's Croagunk

Corporal Levi's Foongus

blarajan's Trubbish

The Quasar's Vullaby

Fiend Hound's Ekans

The TurtleLord's Koffing

Eren Yeager's Grimer

Voting ends Sunday 12th October at 7pm GMT+0.

 

[zeriloa]

fiend hound

ekans master race

 

[Max Carvalho]

Ekans. Because

 

[Dillon~]

I'd say Ekans

 

[Melon]

Fiend Hound, cuz cute