Challenge One of the hardest Pokemon questions of all time

[DragonWhale]

What were his other questions like?

Here's a quick one:

In a 1v1, a level 100 Hoothoot and level 100 Steelix face off. Steelix faints in the first turn and the Hoothoot wins.
- Steelix does not have a move to hurt itself, including explosion
- Hoothoot does not have any attacking moves
- No weather conditions or status conditions have been activated

What happened?

 

[rufus drumknott]

Here's a quick one:

In a 1v1, a level 100 Hoothoot and level 100 Steelix face off. Steelix faints in the first turn and the Hoothoot wins.
- Steelix does not have a move to hurt itself, including explosion
- Hoothoot does not have any attacking moves
- No weather conditions or status conditions have been activated

What happened?

Hoothoot used Mirror Move after Steelix used Earthquake?

Edit: Sorry if this off topic, just wanted to know what the solutions to his other questions might look like, in case it provided some clues.

 

[DragonWhale]

Hoothoot used Mirror Move after Steelix used Earthquake?

Edit: Sorry if this off topic, just wanted to know what the solutions to his other questions might look like, in case it provided some clues.

Well it won't go down to an Earthquake, but the solution was Hoothoot Mirror Moves Steelix's Fissure (Gen 1 TM on Onix) in the GSC meta.

Hopefully this gives you an idea of what we're up against.

 

[EtherDrive]

Octillery @ Leppa Berry

Natural gift
soak
Bullet seed


Edit: Maractus... just maractus....


atleast there's something new

 

[DragonWhale]

Octillery @ Leppa Berry

Natural gift
soak
Bullet seed


Edit: Maractus... just maractus....


atleast there's something new

Yeah, I'm going to jot down the list of pokemon that nullify soak and are not water-types for reference.

Paras line, Croagunk line, Helioptile line, Jynx, Lileep line, Maractus, and the Cacnea line.

 

[JebusChrist]

Yeah, I'm going to jot down the list of pokemon that nullify soak and are not water-types for reference.

Paras line, Croagunk line, Helioptile line, Jynx, Lileep line, Maractus, and the Cacnea line.

Also Arceus. Fire + Fighting hits all of those SE (of you count Fire as SE on Dry Skin croa) but also magic bouncers negate soak, which are Esp/Xatu, which means you need dark

 

[DragonWhale]

Good catch. This would lead to a reasonable conclusion that to use Soak you need either Mold Breaker or Skill Swap. The first one is exclusive to Basculin and I don't think the latter exists.

 

[rufus drumknott]

Octillery @ Leppa Berry

Natural gift
soak
Bullet seed


Edit: Maractus... just maractus....


atleast there's something new

You miss out on Magic Bouncers, which can be hit by Thief, but that still leaves Maractus. If you could somehow squeeze both Thief and Signal Beam, I think you'd cover them all. (Don't hold me to this pls. Also, a new way to say 4MSS haha.)

 

[Jibaku]

Are megas counted in this? Because mega absol also blocks that Octillery combo and isn't weak to thief

(Also Multitype is immune to both Soak and Skill Swap)

 

[Lady Vader]

Are megas counted in this? Because mega absol also blocks that Octillery combo and isn't weak to thief

I would say no since you just have to hit a member of each species and we've been told that the targets don't have hold items.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Hmm, could there possible be a trick to this question? Like, if you worded it correctly in your first post, I'm going along with the logic of so:

In XY 1v1, name a Pokemon that can hit EVERY Pokemon for super-effective damage with only 3 moves.

In 1v1 you can't hit EVERY Pokemon because you're only versing one opponent. Thus in order for this riddle to be possible the opponent you're facing must be EVERY Pokemon, so either:

1. You're facing a Pokemon that can Transform into any Pokemon (Ditto or Mew).
2. If you were to combine ALL the types together, you'll get a Pokemon who's only weak to Rock-type (and the move Freeze-Dry).

As for why they limit you to 3 moves, it's meant to throw you off (or to assure there wasn't any other possible answer).

Now I could just be overthinking this, but to me this sounds like there's a curve ball coming because whoever came up with this question must have an answer and if there's a legitimate answer they would have to have spent a long time figuring it out and making sure no other Pokemon can stop it (because just one Pokemon that stops it means that the riddle is faulty).

 

[DragonWhale]

Hmm, could there possible be a trick to this question? Like, if you worded it correctly in your first post, I'm going along with the logic of so:



In 1v1 you can't hit EVERY Pokemon because you're only versing one opponent. Thus in order for this riddle to be possible the opponent you're facing must be EVERY Pokemon, so either:

1. You're facing a Pokemon that can Transform into any Pokemon (Ditto or Mew).
2. If you were to combine ALL the types together, you'll get a Pokemon who's only weak to Rock-type (and the move Freeze-Dry).

As for why they limit you to 3 moves, it's meant to throw you off (or to assure there wasn't any other possible answer).

Now I could just be overthinking this, but to me this sounds like there's a curve ball coming because whoever came up with this question must have an answer and if there's a legitimate answer they would have to have spent a long time figuring it out and making sure no other Pokemon can stop it (because just one Pokemon that stops it means that the riddle is faulty).

No, it's nothing nonsensical like that. 1v1 means 1 pokemon vs 1 pokemon.
They limit the moves to 3 because with 4, you could just use Kecleon with Skill Swap, a fighting move, a dark move, and a non-psychic or normal move to reset Sabletomb's typing.

 

[Lady Vader]

Basculin is the closest I can find, but in order to hit Water super effectively, it needs HP Electric or Grass.
Ugh, this is difficult.

Does anyone know when the person who originally came up with this will share the answer?

 

[Marty]

No, it's nothing nonsensical like that. 1v1 means 1 pokemon vs 1 pokemon.
They limit the moves to 3 because with 4, you could just use Kecleon with Skill Swap, a fighting move, a dark move, and a non-psychic or normal move to reset Sabletomb's typing.

You can do that without a fourth move though. Color Change transforms you into a pure type of whatever type hits you, unless you're already purely that type, so Sableye and Spiritomb would become pure Dark types. A Kecleon like the one in the OP is the answer.

 

[Lady Vader]

You can do that without a fourth move though. Color Change transforms you into a pure type of whatever type hits you, unless you're already purely that type, so Sableye and Spiritomb would become pure Dark types. A Kecleon like the one in the OP is the answer.

No, Color Change will not activate if you are already that type, even if you aren't purely that type. So a Dark/whatever with Color Change will not become pure Dark if hit by a Dark-type move.

 

[EtherDrive]

actually it isn't stated anywhere that color change doesn't change a pokemon to a monotype like protean. Has it been tested?

 

[Lady Vader]

actually it isn't stated anywhere that color change doesn't change a pokemon to a monotype like protean. Has it been tested?

Keckleon: Skill Swap, Feint Attack, Brick Break
Stopped by Sableye/Spiritomb, since Feint Attack will fail to make them pure dark types

 

[Marty]

No, Color Change will not activate if you are already that type, even if you aren't purely that type. So a Dark/whatever with Color Change will not become pure Dark if hit by a Dark-type move.

Oh, I could have sworn that was the case in an earlier generation. It's definitely not the case now though, my mistake!

 

[DragonWhale]

You can do that without a fourth move though. Color Change transforms you into a pure type of whatever type hits you, unless you're already purely that type, so Sableye and Spiritomb would become pure Dark types. A Kecleon like the one in the OP is the answer.

If you're a dual type with color change and you're hit with one of those types, the ability won't activate.

EDIT: Greninja'd

 

[flargananddingle]

What about color change Kecleon with skill swap/fury cutter/rock slide?

Hits magic bouncers se and skill swaps everything else?
scizor and durant

 

[DragonWhale]

What about color change Kecleon with skill swap/fury cutter/rock slide?

Hits magic bouncers se and skill swaps everything else?

Arceus and Aegislash

 

[Lady Vader]

What about color change Kecleon with skill swap/fury cutter/rock slide?

Hits magic bouncers se and skill swaps everything else?
scizor and durant

No, it hits those two. You just have to hit them with Rock Slide first to reset their typing. The only problem is Arceus, Aegislash, and Crustle (Bug and Rock).

 

[flargananddingle]

No, it hits those two. You just have to hit them with Rock Slide first to reset their typing. The only problem is Arceus, Aegislash, and Crustle (Bug and Rock).

So basically..Kecleon is totally out because it needs skill swap and can't possibly cover arceus with 2 moves...hm
Does soak work the same as skill swap color change?
Soak seedbomb pursuit pelipper beats everything if not

Or soak signal beam tbolt lanturn...tbh I thing that one's better

 

[rufus drumknott]

So basically..Kecleon is totally out because it needs skill swap and can't possibly cover arceus with 2 moves...hm
Does soak work the same as skill swap color change?
Soak seedbomb pursuit pelipper beats everything if not

Or soak signal beam tbolt lanturn...tbh I thing that one's better

Can't soak an Arceus, so you still need a Fighting-type move to hit it.

 

[Lady Vader]

Soak seedbomb pursuit pelipper beats everything if not

Dry Skin Croagunk is immune to Soak, neutral to Seed Bomb, resists Pursuit. Arceus is immune to Soak and is neutral to Seed Bomb and Pursuit.

Or soak signal beam tbolt lanturn...tbh I thing that one's better

Arceus is immune to Soak and is neutral to Signal Beam and Thunderbolt.