Project Counter that Threat! 21st Week: Snover - Counters Submissions

[The TurtleLord]

mienfoo

 

[gali]

gunk

 

[Mister Magnus]

gunk definetilly is the best when you talk about counter but as I am using that foo set for counter LO pawn on my webs team, will be voting

BASED MIENGOD

 

[Mister Magnus]

but to be Honest, what da hell can tank a +2 Iron head after rocks?, at least Mienfoo(the evs spread from King Midas),gunk and timburr cant do it reliable

 

[sparktrain]

but to be Honest, what da hell can tank a +2 Iron head after rocks?, at least Mienfoo(the evs spread from King Midas),gunk and timburr cant do it reliable

none of them need to tank +2 iron head, mienfoo outspeeds, and gunk/timburr ohko with priority

 

[Yagura]

The winner was kingmidas with his Mienfoo set.

This week the Pokémon is:

Ponyta @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 236 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sunny Day
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Morning Sun

 

[Mister Magnus]

Yagura, that is the hardest mons to counter in the hole meta lol, as that set breaks most of its own checks like Chinchou, So I think the best way of counter it is with a bulk normal as it abuse its special attack so I will be posting my most used that is Licki with a more spdef spread


Lickitung @ Eviolite
Ability: Cloud Nine
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 80 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
- Knock Off

 

[Rowan]

Ponyta @ Eviolite
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 5
EVs: 76 Atk / 236 Def / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp
- Toxic
- Morning Sun


This is my usual go-to fire counter if I find myself weak to fire-types. Reason I go to Ponyta over chinchou or tirtouga is because of the sunnybeam set. Double status ponyta wrecks all fire-types and opposing ponyta is no different, it can just toxic it and morning sun.

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Ponyta: 5-6 (23.8 - 28.5%) -- 98.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
(5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Ponyta in Sun: 8-9 (38 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9)

Easy win. Of course you can invest in SpD and run flash fire but I wouldn't do that in an actual game so I'm not doing it here

 

[Vileman]

Reserving munchlax
g_g
OK so here its the champ:

Munchlax @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Takes nothing from anything ponyta throws at him, and sets up curse for a potential late game sweep for free.

 

[Jho]

Urgh this thing has swept me so many times ;~;

ur mum (Hippopotas) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 5
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Atk / 60 Def / 180 SpD / 20 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind

Fuck Sun, sand all the way

236 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam (60 BP) vs. 212 HP / 180+ SpD Eviolite Hippopotas in Sand: 8-10 (30.7 - 38.4%) -- 17.6% chance to 3HKO

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 212 HP / 180+ SpD Eviolite Hippopotas: 9-12 (34.6 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Stops solar beams by getting rid of Sun, and can get up Rocks or whirlwind out during the free turn if it switches in. Also stops the extra damage that sun gives fireblast so it can be walled easier.

Is a cute Hippo ◕‿‿◕​

 

[kingmidas]

Urgh this thing has swept me so many times ;~;

ur mum (Hippopotas) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 5
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Atk / 212 Def / 20 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind

Fuck Sun, sand all the way

236 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam (60 BP) vs. 212 HP / 20 SpD Eviolite Hippopotas in Sand: 10-12 (38.4 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Stops solar beams by getting rid of Sun, and can get up Rocks or whirlwind out during the free turn if it switches in. Also stops the extra damage that sun gives fireblast so it can be walled easier.

Is a cute Hippo ◕‿‿◕​

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 212 HP / 20 SpD Eviolite Hippopotas: 12-15 (46.1 - 57.6%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15)
I suggest you change hippo's evs to the specially defensive set so it can properly counter.

 

[Stratis]

Well I was thinking archen or manytke but that could be dumb if you don't know whether ponyta is packing wild charge. RIP

Tyrunt @ Eviolite
Ability: Strong Jaw
Level: 5
Adamant Nature
EVs: 132 HP / 124 Atk / 140 Def / 76 Spd / 0 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rocks
- Fire Fang
- Crunch / Dragon Tail / Earthquake / Dragon Claw

I figured an attacking stealthrock Tyrunt that doubles for a fletch check was more acceptable than DD or scarf. The only obvious problem besides questionable viability is the risk of burn from willo wisp or a fireblast/flareblitz.

236 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam vs. 132 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Tyrunt: 8-10 (33.3 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
(8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 132 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Tyrunt in Sun: 4-4 (16.6 - 16.6%) -- guaranteed 6HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)

124+ Atk Tyrunt Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Ponyta: 24-30 (114.2 - 142.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 30)

Basically you can always switch in a healthy tyrunt, but burn is a problem. Numel is an easy switch into ponyta and can earth power/curse while not risking burn, but that's even more unmentionable than Tyrunt. Ponyta/munchlax look pretty solid but I wanted to post somethin ; /

 

[zeriloa]

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 212 HP / 20 SpD Eviolite Hippopotas: 12-15 (46.1 - 57.6%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15)
I suggest you change hippo's evs to the specially defensive set so it can properly counter.

even spD hippo isnt too good of a check to sunny day pony because if it sunny days on the switch its vulnerable to SolarBeam/sun-boosted Fire Blast

 

[sparktrain]

Archen @ Eviolite
Ability: Defeatist
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 156 Def / 236 SpD / 36 Spe
Impish Nature
- Rock Slide
- Roost
- Defog
- Earthquake / Knock Off / whatever

Standard Defensive Archen with some HP shifted to SpD, allowing it to tank strong hits from Sunny Day Ponya while still easily handling physical threats like Fletchling. Also takes less damage from rocks so that's cool.

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 76 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Archen in Sun: 7-9 (30.4 - 39.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
236 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam vs. 76 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Archen: 7-9 (30.4 - 39.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)

Survives as long as pony doesn't get two max rolls in a row with rocks up. The sun turns are easily stalled out, so just Roost as needed, and 2HKO it with Rock Slide.

 

[Anthiese]

reserving Houndour

Fiend Hound (Houndour) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 5
EVs: 116 Atk / 116 SpA / 236 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 0 HP
- Fire Blast
- Sucker Punch
- Destiny Bond
- Pursuit

Guess who is not hurting me?

76 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Houndour: 5-7 (26.3 - 36.8%) -- 15.5% chance to 3HKO

Guess who is losing to me?

116 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 236 Def Eviolite Ponyta: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
116 Atk Life Orb Houndour Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 236 Def Eviolite Ponyta: 5-8 (23.8 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO

Holla at cha boi

 

[apt-get]

reserving Houndour

Fiend Hound (Houndour) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 5
EVs: 116 Atk / 116 SpA / 236 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 0 HP
- Fire Blast
- Sucker Punch
- Destiny Bond
- Pursuit

Guess who is not hurting me?

76 SpA Ponyta Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Houndour: 5-7 (26.3 - 36.8%) -- 15.5% chance to 3HKO

Guess who is losing to me?

116 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 236 Def Eviolite Ponyta: 9-12 (42.8 - 57.1%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
116 Atk Life Orb Houndour Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 236 Def Eviolite Ponyta: 5-8 (23.8 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO

Holla at cha boi

Morning Sun spam beats it

 

[Anthiese]

Morning Sun spam beats it

Ugh i didnt think about that. . .

If i run Taunt over DBond will that save me? Or should i just say fuck it I lost?

 

[apt-get]

Ugh i didnt think about that. . .

If i run Taunt over DBond will that save me? Or should i just say fuck it I lost?

afaik, sunny day when you switch in, then solarbeam as you taunt for safety, then solarbeam twice => KOes with LO damage and you can't KO it in two hits

 

[gali]

what about Dark Pulse? Morning Sun only has 8 PP so it can be stalled out fairly easily.

 

[Anthiese]

Could we go for Mild Nature with DPulse over Pursuit?

196+ SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Ponyta: 12-16 (57.1 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Would that work?

 

[Goddess Briyella]

Psyduck @ Eviolite
Ability: Cloud Nine
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 240 SpA / 116 SpD
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Cloud Nine automatically nullifies the sun boost to Fire Blast as well as its nerf to Scald. It also causes Solar Beam to have to charge even while sun is up, meaning that Psyduck gets a free turn while Solar Beam is powering up and then it can use Protect on the damaging turn to totally avoid damage. Calm Mind lets Psyduck not only beat Ponyta, but set up on it as well, and HP Grass is mainly a filler move for hitting other Water-types after having set up on Ponyta, especially Chinchou.

236 SpA Ponyta Fire Blast vs. 116 HP / 116+ SpD Eviolite Psyduck: 4-6 (17.3 - 26%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO

236 SpA Psyduck Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Ponyta: 14-20 (66.6 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Pancham]

Reserving Slugma

 

[Yagura]

Voting starts now.

 

[kingmidas]

Rowan, the most efficient, effective and reasonable mon posted

 

[fran17]

Rowan