I dont think that Mega-Salamence is the worlds greatest mega but it is defineatly good! The problems with this mega are getting bodied by too many of the other megas. Mega-Altaria is definealty an issue because of typing and defense stat. Mega Sharpedo is a problem because if normal sharpedo gets enogh speed boosts off then mega evolves, it can OHKO with an ice fang. Other that that I dont see anything wrong with this mega!
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Pokémon Salamence
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Hmm... well on paper it's really similar to classic XY double bird Pinsir and Talonflame. But while both of those had priority your core has neither. DbMence might work with Talonflame though. What's the purpose/role of CB Staraptor?
silver97
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Every core with a mega mence in it is awesome lol. Speaking seriously this is just an extension of the already existing birdspam, gamefreak felt that it wasn't strong enough so added to it a fucking monster
Lol, except maybe the fact it shits on both of those after it's set up. Especially Sharpedo, it HAS to protect the turn it comes in, so, a competent player would simply DD that turn, outspeed, and continue to bend your team over.
The thing that's wrong with it is honestly. . . that it's broken beyond belief.
silver97
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Mega altaria and mega sharpedo definitely are not threat ti mega mence, or at least they are not that Much of an issue. Mega altaria struggles to switch in on mega mence moves and if it has the bulk to do it, it will probably lack offensive power to KO back. Mega sharpedo won't be very used in OU, it is a sort of one-time-sweeper and there are Many pokemon that do or more effectively (hawlucha). Personally i don't see Antonio other mega that is not beated by mence. Yes it is the world's greatest mega, at least in OU
CB Staraptor functions more as an early game kamikaze/wall breaker to soften up targets for Salamence later on
This mon is amazing, there are so many moves combinations that can get past through any wana'be wall...
Some of the sets i've run into are:
- Running a physical/mix set with Facade to bait will-o-wisp
- Bulky mono attacker that forces to go all offensive or carry 2 checks
- DD + 3 attacks (not very original but certainly effective)
I tried to run a Bird spam team with a Magnezone+M Mence+Talonflame core to let Talon clean late game but M Mence almost always ends up sweeping on its own.
My set:
Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Frustration
- Draco Meteor
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
Stone Edge allows me to hit Thundurus and accelerates Rotom-W K.O. (Zapdos aswell, if it happens to appear). Since I'm running Magnezon I don´t really have to worry about metal types:
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 316-372 (105.6 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Zapdos: 206-244 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Rotom-W: 85-100 (27.9 - 32.8%) -- 84.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 4 SpA Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 154-183 (50.6 - 60.1%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Some of the sets i've run into are:
- Running a physical/mix set with Facade to bait will-o-wisp
- Bulky mono attacker that forces to go all offensive or carry 2 checks
- DD + 3 attacks (not very original but certainly effective)
I tried to run a Bird spam team with a Magnezone+M Mence+Talonflame core to let Talon clean late game but M Mence almost always ends up sweeping on its own.
My set:
Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Frustration
- Draco Meteor
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
Stone Edge allows me to hit Thundurus and accelerates Rotom-W K.O. (Zapdos aswell, if it happens to appear). Since I'm running Magnezon I don´t really have to worry about metal types:
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 316-372 (105.6 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Zapdos: 206-244 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 252 Atk Salamence Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Rotom-W: 85-100 (27.9 - 32.8%) -- 84.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
* 4 SpA Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 154-183 (50.6 - 60.1%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Is Aerial Ace Mega Salamence viable? I've been testing it out and it lets you use your Flying STAB even if you don't mega evolve so you can keep intimidate or moxie.
Thing is, with how outclassed Mence is in base form, there's no reason not to Mega evolve immediately for the bulk and speed.
Moxie isn't worth it when you can feasibly set up multiple DD's as a Mega, and Intimidate isn't a big enough boon when the Mega's defenses almost replicate that boost anyway.
Protip: Don't use Aerial Ace on anything unless you are going to play the Battle Haxway since it is a pretty shitty move in general.
*Unless you're using Mega Aero
That is what I've been toying with. Magnezone/Gothitelle to trap, then DDMegaMence (setup sweeper)+Talonflame (Revenge killer/Wall breaker)
The core is rather formidable as While Magnezone is better for momentum, Gothitelle traps a wider variety of targets.
silver97
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I feel that stone edge is quite unnecessary because thundurus has a chance of being KOed by d meteor after rocks and zapdos is 2HKOed by a combination of rocks, frustration and dmeteor, so i'd suggest to replace it with fire blast to hit skarm and ferro harder. Oh and talonflame is not a wallbreaker O.o
So how long do we have to wait around with our dicks in our hands till Mence gets banned.
Till it's officially released?
Stone Edge hits common Birdspam checks while Ferro and Skarm are taken care by Magnezone. If you are using Magnezone, carrying FB on your Salamence is redundant imo and you would do better on using DD or even Hydro pump.
Edit: besides, with such a good movepool, if you can break walls with another teamate you can afford to use a niche move and get past through wathever it's left.
silver97
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Yeah sure, but it's not that every team with mega mence must run also magnezone and skarm and ferro can have shed shell
I've been having more success with a more offensive oriented mence for some reason.
Maybe it's because everyone and their friends and dogs are prep'ing for the (in)famous subDD mega mence and/or because there are way too many mences and it's solely due to speed ties. I don;t know. But, at this point, offensive mixed DD, for instance, has been serving me well.
(well...what mega mence doesn't serve anyone well though?)
Maybe it's because everyone and their friends and dogs are prep'ing for the (in)famous subDD mega mence and/or because there are way too many mences and it's solely due to speed ties. I don;t know. But, at this point, offensive mixed DD, for instance, has been serving me well.
(well...what mega mence doesn't serve anyone well though?)
I've been lurking around but can't seem to get a consensus on Sharp Beak/CB Talonflame vs CB reckless Staraptor
As you said, with subDD being the most dominant mega mence set, everyone is over preparing for the beast.
It still wrecks faces but it's not as easy with everyone freaking out about it and carrying an entire team of mega mence checks (sort of).
Offensive dd has always been on par with it imho.
Cresselia as check/counter seems a bit difficult due to dragon dance, which he can use it to setup in most of times and makes cresselia a lot more vulnerable to his powerful Frustration. Moreover for cresselia is difficult to damage seriously mega salamence with that defenses , and can avoid status moves with substitute. I would have thought someone like Rhyperior which can resist pretty well to his moves.
I'm not sure if anyone's tried running this set with mence.
Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Return
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Speed IV's and Nature are to outspeed base 100's with positive nature. 252 EVs in HP to make it hella bulky and the rest dumped into attack. DDance and Return are obvious moves and rest talk wraps refresh and roost into one set. Now that I think about it would running refresh and roost over rest and sleep talk be more effective?
Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Return
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Speed IV's and Nature are to outspeed base 100's with positive nature. 252 EVs in HP to make it hella bulky and the rest dumped into attack. DDance and Return are obvious moves and rest talk wraps refresh and roost into one set. Now that I think about it would running refresh and roost over rest and sleep talk be more effective?
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