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Other ORAS OU Viability Ranking Thread - Check post #2359
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If going for wall breaking rather than sweeping, ice punch is viable over sd
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Speed isn't the only thing that makes pokemon viable and as long as you don't understand this you probably should stop posting in this thread because currently 95% of your posts is complete bullcrap. M-Sableye is an awesome, if not the best, win-condition for stall teams and just saying lol it suckz its so slow omg doesn't really help the discussion
My bad, you can run a mono attacking set running recover over dark pulse, and you can spread burns before the mega to make it easier to sweep.
Good lord, stop double posting and making useless arguments for the thread. PLEASE lurk more before you post, I'm getting seriously tired of it. You aren't giving the thread any movement forward and you're just clustering up everything. Just stop.
That set is fucking terrible. Ghost and Dark have redundant coverage and Sableye loses out on Recover, which is mandatory in all sets so it can actually stay alive.
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How about you stop feeding the troll.
(Not being mean if theres misconseptions)
Yeh I agree my broh.
Alright, good idea.
More to come later.
alexwolf stated in an earlier post that we're only discussing S and A+ ranks right now. Admittedly, the title of the thread is confusing in this sense but for now we have to restrict ourselves to the top two ranks. With Megamence gone tho I honestly don't see too much changing, but some things should defo move down and there's enough room of debate for discussion on both Zards.
I agree with everything you've said, but you forgot to mention that Mega-Scep is an excellent Greninja check after mega evo.Alright, good idea.
Mega Medicham has lived its short life of glory. Literally its only advantages are a safe Mega Evo because of Fake Out and having more power, but it has a riskier STAB, is much frailer and can't boost because of its frailty. It's horribly outclassed by Mega Gallade, who has Swords Dance, 110 Speed, much better defenses, a safer STAB in Close Combat and Knock Off for coverage. Drop Mega Medicham to B or B-.
While I'm on the subject, Mega Gallade can probably move to S by this point. With Mega Salamence gone, Mega Gallade now has many more opportunities to set up a Swords Dance and sweep teams at its leisure thanks to its great (though crowded) Speed tier, amazing power thanks to 165 Attack and Swords Dance that's excellently complemented by strong STABs in Close Combat and Zen Headbutt and last but not least, Knock Off for coverage. Sure, it's still somewhat frail, but not on the level of something like Mega Medicham. It's also still really vulnerable to Mega Sableye and most Stall teams, but overall I definitely feel like Mega Gallade has become a lot better in the current meta, so I'd say Mega Gallade can move to S. I don't mind if it stays A+, but it'd make more sense than initially for it to be S.
Mega Sceptile definitely deserves to rise, too. It has a lot of flexibility as an attacker thanks to its 110/145/145 offenses, so you can use it as a mixed or special attacker and easily tweak both variants to your liking to tackle different threats. That 145 Speed is wonderful, since Mega Sceptile outpaces positive 135s and neutral 150s with max investment on purely special sets. Being able to shit all over Rotom-W is nothing short of great, especially since Rotom-W is a glue to many cores. Lightning Rod means it can stop both VoltTurn teams and T-Wave spam alike, which is just plain great. I feel Mega Sceptile has what it takes to be A.
More to come later.
He is somewhat susceptible to priority, but past that his amazing speed and special attack allows him to decimate HO teams with the proper teammates.
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I just want to mention something about Sceptile. I think it's fantastic and deserves a much higher ranking, but it's weak to two major forms of priority, Ice and Flying, which really hinders it. On the turn it Mega Evolves, it is also outsped by Mega Manectric and OHKOed by HP Ice. Pretty much any Ice type attack will take it down, which is it's biggest hinderance to be honest.
Other than that, it's a fantastic late game cleaner once things like Talonflame are gone. It has a great offensive typing and it has pretty good coverage, so it easily deserves A.
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Other than that, it's a fantastic late game cleaner once things like Talonflame are gone. It has a great offensive typing and it has pretty good coverage, so it easily deserves A.
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Gonna guess you've never used Mega Venusaur.
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Tbh I find M-Sceptile pretty underwhelming and I think A- is fine for it. It's pretty frail and add the many weaknesses he doesn't live very long. It does a great job at stopping Volt Switches from Rotom-W which is just a stupidly annoying thing at the moment and he is a great revenge killer as 145 SpA is a lot. But because many people are prepared for the fast mons like Greninja and M-Beedrill, and this also affects M-Sceptile.
dbzeenx just because you didn't get attention for 10 minutes doesn't mean you have to make this topic shitty again
dbzeenx just because you didn't get attention for 10 minutes doesn't mean you have to make this topic shitty again
Do you even know what a check and counter are? A check can't take many attacks from the Pokemon, but can beat it 1v1. A counter can beat the opposing Pokemon in almost every possible scenerio, so Mega-Scep is a check not a counter.
If you want to use mega sceptile, then you want to send it in against Pokemon it can switch into, and proceed to do damage, and then you switch it out when it gets matched up with something unfavorable. Simply rinse and repeat, you don't need to have Mega sceptile take attacks to use him. Also, I recommend having a calc handy when using Mega sceptile for this very reason.
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my bad. must have gotten mixed up.
In any case, I think mega sceptile is a bit like weavile in the sense that it hits hard and fast and can decimate a lot of teams, but is really frail and predictable. you generally are gonna run leaf storm, giga drain, dragon pulse, and then a coverage move of either hp fire or eq. a mixed set is nothing to write home about as investing in both special and physical attack will make sceptile lose out on the power it relies on to sweep
We are only talking about A+ and S ranks now guys (although discussing A-rank could get more productive discussion going).
In response to your question Kurona, Mega Scizor is still really good in this meta. It can fit on many different kinds of teams, requires little support, isn't weak to Rocks, only has one weakness, and has really strong priority. It may not be a top choice for any playstyle, but it has bulky SD sets, underrated Defogger sets, offensive SD sets and Roost+U-Turn sets. It's got a lot of different options, and it's also a decent catch all check to 90% of the meta out there. It can even stallbreak if it uses Knock Off over Bug Bite of the offensive SD set. It's very hard to find a team it can't fit on in some way. Some semi-stall teams can even use it's Defogging set to be less passive than full stall. I think it's very worthy of it's A+ rank, mostly becuase of it's uniqueness, versatility and how easy it is to fit onto teams.
In response to your question Kurona, Mega Scizor is still really good in this meta. It can fit on many different kinds of teams, requires little support, isn't weak to Rocks, only has one weakness, and has really strong priority. It may not be a top choice for any playstyle, but it has bulky SD sets, underrated Defogger sets, offensive SD sets and Roost+U-Turn sets. It's got a lot of different options, and it's also a decent catch all check to 90% of the meta out there. It can even stallbreak if it uses Knock Off over Bug Bite of the offensive SD set. It's very hard to find a team it can't fit on in some way. Some semi-stall teams can even use it's Defogging set to be less passive than full stall. I think it's very worthy of it's A+ rank, mostly becuase of it's uniqueness, versatility and how easy it is to fit onto teams.
The set that I tend to run is giga drain, dragon pulse, focus ~~miss~~ blast, and HP fire, this set lets Sceptile do tons of damage to opposing teams with its amazing coverafe.
I'm discussing mega Scep because I think it deserves A - A+ rank on the thread.
The best mixed move would be Earthquake imo, which would be run for the sole purpose of not being walled by heatran. Shouldn't even need investment for that. Even so, focusblast might be better in the long run.
Focus Blast 2HKOs Heatran anyways, so Earthquake isn't really needed.
Proof: 252 SpA Sceptile Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 202-238 (52.4 - 61.8%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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After rocks it only has 25% of OHKOíng 248/0 Heatran. Earthquake also helps killing steel typing without relying on Focus Blast misses.
EQ is definitely a safer choice for Heatran as you really don't wanna miss a focus blast on a heatran. on the other hand, using eq means you lose out on coverage with hp fire.
In that case... and this probably sounds controversial, but what's keeping it from S-rank?
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