Glad to see other people noticing this. Was wondering if it was just me. It is unbearable. Darkrai is on nearly every team. I wasn't aware it was so popular. I haven't any other Sinnoh legendary yet. I was expecting lots of Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga but no they don't see to be anywhere. Lots of Genesect too.I've seen so much 6X Darkrai teams that all i see is black whenever I play AG...
Seriously if it's not teams with 6 Klefki's or M-Rayquaza it's that guy
that's what happens when you make a pokemon as edgy as darkrai, you get all the little kids spamming itGlad to see other people noticing this. Was wondering if it was just me. It is unbearable. Darkrai is on nearly every team. I wasn't aware it was so popular. I haven't any other Sinnoh legendary yet. I was expecting lots of Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga but no they don't see to be anywhere. Lots of Genesect too.
I doubt most little kids know how to get a Darkrai without scamming somebody, although I defienetly see where you are talking about (Back when you could play PBR online this was always happening)that's what happens when you make a pokemon as edgy as darkrai, you get all the little kids spamming it
Not happening, whenever Gamefreak gets complaints about something being broken (Especially if its banned from official tournaments), then the result is almost always them just telling us to go fuck ourselves. Also Mega Rayquaza's way of Mega evolving was extremely hyped by them and Shadow Tag Chandelure was never releasedThink guys, M-ray concept could have scraped , I mean they change chandelure shadow tag when they see his terrifing potential and our reaction, but not the sky king..And the other legendaries ( pokemon with very good stats who no need evolution are left ) are without power boost mega or primal or what GF thought for the future.
I think what he was asking was if we will see more mega evolutions without the mega stone requirement in the future, or if this is something that GF decides to keep special to Rayquaza.Not happening, whenever Gamefreak gets complaints about something being broken (Especially if its banned from official tournaments), then the result is almost always them just telling us to go fuck ourselves. Also Mega Rayquaza's way of Mega evolving was extremely hyped by them and Shadow Tag Chandelure was never released
The stone is useless if you choose not to/can't mega evolve your pokemon, while a move is useful either way. Dragon Ascent is a fantastic move, and also enables Rayquaza to Mega Evolve. It's just we've banned this ability to Mega Evolve if it knows the said move. The move just gives the option to Mega Evolve, but it is a great move regardless of this. DA in itself as a move isn't uncompetitive or something, it's the secondary effect of Mega Evolving Rayquaza that's uncompetitive, so we just got rid of the MEvo.Should Dragon Ascent really still be allowed in Ubers. As for the other megas, the mega evolution itself banned due to the method of mega evolution (the mega stone) being banned.
For Rayquaza, the method of mega evolution is the move Dragon Ascent, and possessing the move is equivalent to other Pokemon possessing a mega stone. In order to keep uniformity with Smogon's other policies here, shouldn't Dragon Ascent be banned as well? In a real game, a Rayquaza with Dragon Ascent in its moveset will have the "Mega Evolve" option, meaning that the option is there to use it but they won't be allowed. By the same accord, a Pokemon should be able to have a move like Sheer Cold but not be able to use it etc.
lel ik its confusing, we somewhere said to refer Shadow Tag as s-tag, but that's a bother to all. Still, neither of the stag will be banned for sure(in the forseeable future at least)I've been wondering about the whole Dragon Ascent thing. That is a good precedent for allowing the move but not the Mega Evolution though.
And wait. I've been hearing talk of "ban stag" - is that supposed to refer to Shadow Tag, Xerneas, or either one? I assumed Xerneas, but "ban STag" sounds like Shadow Tag.
Then don't play it.I mean, I get M-Ray is a tad bit broken, but, AG as a whole isn't something I like or care for.
I can maybe, MAYBE get arguments against the bans of Mega Mawile and Aegislash, but people were debating banning Mega Gengar HERE IN UBERS. It got banned in OU for being ridiculously broken, and it nearly got banned from Ubers for being uncompetitive. It is probably the most necessary ban in the entire generation.I preferred it when Ubers was kind of a ban list. There were a few bans I felt were unnecessary *cough cough*Aegislash, Mega Mawile, Mega Gengar*cough cough* excuse me,
You must be, because Talonflame never, ever got banned. Ever. How would you ever even think Talonflame got banned when it is still on nearly every team? Do you even play OU?but there were some reasonable ones, too *cough*Talonflame, Mega Kan*cough*. Jeez I'm sick today.
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Mega Rayquaza Dragon's Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 546-643 (138.5 - 163.1%) -- guaranteed OHKOBut at any rate there are plenty of ways to deal with M-Ray, other than just banning him. I'll admit I used a Speed Boost, Swords Dance, Substitute, Baton Pass Ninjask with him but, all you need to fix this is a tankier Ice-Beamer. I'm looking at you Milotic. You max HP & Defense on this &, sure M-Ray will be fast but his attacks will deal the normal amount of damage.
I am utterly confused by this and fail to see how this makes Milotic a good answer to Rayquaza at all. Besides, all stat changes occur on the turn of Mega Evolution, (yes, even speed,) but it's the TURN ORDER that is decided before Mega Evolution. For example, on the turn Sableye Mega Evolves, despite its speed lowering to 20, (so it would take less from Gyro Ball that turn, for example,) turn order is decided as if it still was base 50 speed and had Prankster.Also, if that specific trainer is foolish enough to try & Dragon Ascent that for an OHKO, then YOU instead will probably get it. Not to mention, Mega-stat changes don't occur until the turn AFTER the mega, well, evolves.
AG is for people who like to play Pokemon at its truly purest form: no limitations at all. If you don't like the Metagame, maybe that says something, doesn't it?Anyways, I feel AG is just an excuse for people who don't like M-Ray in the "Real" Banlist.
Yeah I'm smoking. Goddammit. I'm 14 for heaven's sakes! I'm just trying to prove a point that M-Ray is good in certain situations & god-awful in others. I didn't realize I was writing an essay here, professor."The normal amount of damage" being total vaporization, you mean? What are you smoking?
You haven't really provided a situation in which Mega Rayquaza is god-awful though. In fact, I would go so far as to say that there ISN'T one. I'd be happy if you could prove me wrong, but as it stands Mega Ray is the most broken thing to ever hit the competitive scene, only comparable to Mewtwo in Gen 1. Its ban was completely justified.Yeah I'm smoking. Goddammit. I'm 14 for heaven's sakes! I'm just trying to prove a point that M-Ray is good in certain situations & god-awful in others. I didn't realize I was writing an essay here, professor.
Unless your opponent is completely counter teaming Mega Rayquaza, there is no situation where it is god awful. It has a great movepool, flawless stats (Also tieing for highest BST), great offensive typing, can hold an item as a mega, no counters, only has two reliable checks (Ditto and itself), and probably one of the best abilities in the game. Also being 14 doesn't mean you can't smoke (Although you shouldn't in general)Yeah I'm smoking. Goddammit. I'm 14 for heaven's sakes! I'm just trying to prove a point that M-Ray is good in certain situations & god-awful in others. I didn't realize I was writing an essay here, professor.
Agree with the others (and I see you have deleted your original post due to people pointing out the major flaws in your argument). I cannot think of a single likely situation I'd find Mega Rayquaza to be "god-awful" in a match. Its stats are so high that it is rarely anything less than amazing unless crippled by status. It does extremely well against all types of teams due to its versatility, and there is a reason why it was the main win condition on many teams prior to the ban.Yeah I'm smoking. Goddammit. I'm 14 for heaven's sakes! I'm just trying to prove a point that M-Ray is good in certain situations & god-awful in others. I didn't realize I was writing an essay here, professor.
Fair point, I've been on Showdown a lot so I've been countering M-Ray, with well, competitive M-Ray & Primal KyogreUnless your opponent is completely counter teaming Mega Rayquaza, there is no situation where it is god awful. It has a great movepool, flawless stats (Also tieing for highest BST), great offensive typing, can hold an item as a mega, no counters, only has two reliable checks (Ditto and itself), and probably one of the best abilities in the game.