Electric/Water/Bug is neutral to Fire. It's vulnerable to Rock.Electric/Water (Chinchou, Lanturn, Rotom-Wash): Add Bug to change from a Grass/Ground to a Fire weakness.
Interesting post overall though.
Electric/Water/Bug is neutral to Fire. It's vulnerable to Rock.Electric/Water (Chinchou, Lanturn, Rotom-Wash): Add Bug to change from a Grass/Ground to a Fire weakness.
Sorry, my query only returned the number of weaknesses and I manually tried (and failed) to work out which weakness it actually was. I've fixed my post now.Electric/Water/Bug is neutral to Fire. It's vulnerable to Rock.
Still weak to dragonLatias - Psychic/Dragon/Fire
Removes dragon, fairy and ice weaknesses. Immune to ground and neutral to water. Gains a weakness to rocks though.
Opinion?
I don't know about 3 type combinations with 0 weaknesses, there's a lot of 1 weakness combinations though.Are there any three-type combinations with no weaknesses? (never played Hidden Type, just curious)
Dark Gengar, due to Levitate. But just on the basis of type combinations alone, my recollection from when I went manually digging around is no.Are there any three-type combinations with no weaknesses? (never played Hidden Type, just curious)
Grass type Manaphy also removes both of Manaphy's normal weaknesses, replacing them with Flying, Poison, and Bug. It does have defensive value, not even getting into immunity to Spore, Leech Seed, etc. Not to mention resistance to Ground is really useful. The fact that it provides STAB on Manaphy's preferred coverage of Energy Ball is a nice little dovetailing of both ends, not the only reason to select it.There are some combinations that comes very close to having zero weaknesses, but when this was OMOTM I remember a lot of teams opting for a typing that would grant something an immunity to what would otherwise be a 4x weakness. Such as Ground Gyra, Ghost TTar and Bisharp, Flying Heatran and Magnezone, etc...
I thought offensive typing was more important than defensive typing because this was a highly offensive meta, if I remember correctly. Typings that helped a mon eliminate what would typically be a liability went a long way. HP Grass Manaphy is a perfect example of this allowing it to gain STAB on energy ball and punish things that would resist it's water stab and coverage move of choice. As an added bonus giving a grass typing to anything usually paid off because many things would inadvertently become Grass weak trying to balance weaknesses. For example Ground Gyra or Water Gliscor. I remember HP Grass Heatran doing well for me at the cost of a couple resistances.
Early Hidden Type meta was mostly stall/semi stall, and word's team was a really good example of how to make that playstyle work. Steel AV Tornadus, Water Hippowdon, Ghost Umbreon, Unaware Dragon Clef(walls Crawdaunt, even though Mega Altaria does that now), Dark Mew, and Dragon Skarmory were all very good at doing their job....
But yeah Hidden Type was more offensively minded than defensively minded, in part because it was much more possible to take a strong offensive threat with a problematic weakness, remove or reduce that weakness, and suddenly it was in a position to rampage, whereas modifying types was not nearly as useful to Stall teams. (They don't care about tri-STABs, and there's not that many Pokemon that fall under "would be Stall, except its typing is [redeemable] crap")
Having used Skarmory heavily in Hidden Type, I very much disagree with this. Dragon is honestly a pretty bad typing for Skarmory, as while it looks good on paper with only 1 weakness, it also becomes neutral to Dragon which can be a major problem. One of Skarmory's main draws is the ability to switch in on and counter Dragons, but adding a Dragon typing takes that away. It also loses the ability to check Mamoswine, which is problematic for stall teams otherwise. The newly gained fire and electric neutralities are sort of nice but they only serve to check mixed attackers anyway (and Zone will still fry you), and the water and grass resistances are fairly insignificant since is already takes jack from grass and Azumarill, the only physical water type attacker, now gets a neutral Play Rough and Skarm won't want to be risking the scald burn anyway. Only Dragonite can really pull off this typing.Dragon Skarmory itself might deserve S Rank as well, being an all-around amazing wall that now only has one weakness, to a type that, though offensively powerful, is less popular in Hidden Type and lacks an equivalent to tossing out a Fire Blast -Blizzard is less accurate and much more rarely run. I'm less certain of this one though, in part because I fought it rather than running it -I'd rather someone who actually used it provide a picture of its utility and quality.
Assuming standard DNite with little speed investment is the one switching in, it can taunt (If it has it) and PP stall Dragon Claw/slowly kill it with Knock off as well. Essentially, Gliscor can't switch in and counter Dragonite, but Dragonite will not be using it as set-up fodder anytime soon. As for your second statement, most Gliscors are specially defensive and you'd be surprised how well it can take certain hits (I also forgot to mention it walls the otherwise heavily feared STAB Focus Blast Lando-I):Nothing else leaps to mind as S Rank material for me. I will say I'd place Water Gliscor as A+, not S Rank -it's a great wall yes, but it's still got bad Special Defense, limited offense and less limited stall tools (The best thing it can do to Steel Dragonite is Knock Off its Leftovers), and it's reduced vulnerability to Ice and removed weakness to Water is not enough to prevent it from being taken down. I may be underestimating the difficulty stall teams have dealing with it, though.
Fair enough, though Poison seems a bit risky since it means Skarmory will die instantly to a Ground move after a Roost. It does have the niche advantage -if you're willing to reveal your typing unnecessarily- of being able to run Black Sludge to punish item theft, so that's cool.Skarmory
That's true, and I'd forgotten I've run into that exact scenario myself, but it's still true its value as a Physical wall is diminished, since a major Physical attacker (Dragonite) doesn't really care if it switches in.Assuming standard DNite with little speed investment is the one switching in, it can taunt (If it has it) and PP stall Dragon Claw/slowly kill it with Knock off as well.
I'll admit I was not aware of the Landorus-Incarnate utility. On the other hand, one of the major flaws with Gliscor in my experience is the fragility of its Poison Heal -a lot of players slip up and switch in on a Knock Off or worse yet Will O Wisp, and worse yet Gliscor is un-synergistic with clerics, since it doesn't want to lose its Poison if it's already lost its Toxic Orb, at which point it struggles a lot more with walling anything. It also struggles to wall some fairly important/good Physical attackers, such as CrawdauntAs for your second statement, most Gliscors are specially defensive and you'd be surprised how well it can take certain hits (I also forgot to mention it walls the otherwise heavily feared STAB Focus Blast Lando-I):
Oh, ok sorry. Still heatran and gliscor both get ohko at +2 and it's not like gliscor is doing much to it anyway.It's been kinda covered before. Flytran and really any gliscor that still resists fighting (AKA all of them) says hi, but otherwise it's very good.
Pinsir Mega is the one of the firstly identified threats. However Hippo and Gliscor wall it. Ghost Bisharp can revenge it. The real letdown is that anything that can take a CC can easily KO it with its reduced defenses. Rocks are a bit of a problem too.here's a thingy I've used for a while now and am really satisfied with.
Tastefull Lips (Pinsir) @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe
- Close Combat
- Quick Attack
- Return
- Swords Dance
Stab close combat is insanely strong with 155 base attack and provides amazing coverage with return.
Fighting type also reduces the amount of damage this thing takes on sr.
Don't have much more to say, what do you guys think about it ?