Oh I wasn't the one who posted, I was just telling you why adilbilal said it.i was just telling you because you were acting like it has no reliable recovery.
Oh I wasn't the one who posted, I was just telling you why adilbilal said it.i was just telling you because you were acting like it has no reliable recovery.
Mega Swampert's can be worn down very easily with leftovers, and it requires rain to be effective in its optimal roll. Florges has better special bulk as well as being able to pass bigger wishes than aromatisse, so it is ranked higher. Blissey flat out has a worse defensive typing than Florges.I can't really agree with swampert sitting at a+ if mega swampert is at a-.
Also I don't really like florges above Aromatisse and blissey.
Just because Mega Swampert has swift swim doesn't mean you automatically pair it with Rain or use Rain Dance it its set. Mega Swampert can run the same defensive set as Swampert but with greater bulk power and speed (important for slower mons like the Machamp level tier). And a trick immunity which is great for Jirachi.Mega Swampert's can be worn down very easily with leftovers, and it requires rain to be effective in its optimal roll. Florges has better special bulk as well as being able to pass bigger wishes than aromatisse, so it is ranked higher. Blissey flat out has a worse defensive typing than Florges.
Taking up a mega slot is huge because there are several megas that are better than swampert. Residual damage can be partially healed off by lefties and damp stops exploding azelfs and bronzongs. Also, regular swampert's "bad defenses" are still a very decent 100/90/90. The point of swampert being higher ranked is because it doesn't have an opportunity cost like mega swampert does. Swampert isn't as good a mon overall as mega swampert, but the difference isn't big enough to warrant using mega swampert over mega aerodactyl or mega houndoom.Just because Mega Swampert has swift swim doesn't mean you automatically pair it with Rain or use Rain Dance it its set. Mega Swampert can run the same defensive set as Swampert but with greater bulk power and speed (important for slower mons like the Machamp level tier). And a trick immunity which is great for Jirachi.
The only downside is Leftovers and taking up a mega slot and torrent. Leftovers isn't exactly the end of the world seeing as your extra bulk makes up. Taking up a mega slot is important but yeah not that important because he is a nice mega. Torrent isn't really game breaking.
Florges passes smaller wishes than Aromatisse and the much weaker defense means more vulnerability to the moves it should resist and take comfortably like Knock Off and Close Combat and U-Turn.
Typing is important but doesn't mean everything. Blissey has more overall defense HP and special defense and better recovery slightly (softboiled>synthesis, wish blissey >>>> wish florges). It also has natural cure.
This is barely as issue I didn't want to start a disucssion, I wanted to remind whoever is in charge to move Mega Swampert up/ swampert regular down. Blissey and Florges and Aromatisse might merit a little more discussion but I am pretty certain too Blissey should be at least equal to Florges or higher. Same with Aromatisse. basically no offense dude but you're flat out wrong.
It was along these lines that he was rated lower:Just because Mega Swampert has swift swim doesn't mean you automatically pair it with Rain or use Rain Dance it its set. Mega Swampert can run the same defensive set as Swampert but with greater bulk power and speed (important for slower mons like the Machamp level tier). And a trick immunity which is great for Jirachi.
The only downside is Leftovers and taking up a mega slot and torrent. Leftovers isn't exactly the end of the world seeing as your extra bulk makes up. Taking up a mega slot is important but yeah not that important because he is a nice mega. Torrent isn't really game breaking.
This isn't exactly a reminder thread it is first and foremost a discussion as everyone has been doing so with the past 10 pages when they make a nomination... like it or not you'll have to discuss the merits of Mega Pert over its regular form to be that much substantive of an upgrade.This is barely as issue I didn't want to start a disucssion, I wanted to remind whoever is in charge to move Mega Swampert up/ swampert regular down.
It was along these lines that he was rated lower:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/uu-viability-ranking-thread-take-2.3523649/#post-5903601
The problem being right now with rain, if you do want to better differentiate the mega from the normal, is that rain has become much harder to set up than the initial metagame at which Mega Swampert was introduced, you had Sableye and Kelfki available, whereas now the pool of strong rain setters have diminished. Otherwise, the point in the earlier post still stands that normal pert ironically is capable of running more sets with items than his mega form without the opportunity cost.
This isn't exactly a reminder thread it is first and foremost a discussion as everyone has been doing so with the past 10 pages when they make a nomination... like it or not you'll have to discuss the merits of Mega Pert over its regular form to be that much substantive of an upgrade.
Considering that the point against MPert is better differentiating itself from its regular form they actually are related, no different than needing to discuss Latios VS MLatios (which is the most similar case here). The problem is the set you use SpD Curse set while able to sweep teams isn't exactly bypassing issues that the normal Pert faces more or less, it is an upgrade over normal form but you're overselling how "easy" it is to sweep with the set in the first place (especially when you have prolific grass types - and about to get a new one with Serperior's HA release today which definitely not something water types are going to look forward to as well as Chesnaught and Celebi which has also risen).I know saying "this isn't up for discussion!!!!!!! you're wrong!!!" is a little bit abrasive. Still I wanted to remind you guys about Mega Pert. I really did not want discussion on Swampert vs Mega Pert ranking you have better things to do. And I still think I'm right.
CM set isn't exactly obscure though it has risen somewhat in popularity considering it actually helped the revival of Florges' popularity looking at the stats, which otherwise did lose a lot of popularity prior. While the moveset stats aren't available, due to some issues, I wouldn't say it is as obscure as you feel it to be. If not CM then Synthesis clearly has been a boon for Florges at least, in freeing up some move slots. I think the thing here is that being passive has become a point against Aroma and Blissey as of late, leafing through the viability thread discussions, which Florges at least has been better spared off by being able to run CM sets thanks to synthesis removing its reliance on wish-tect.As for Florges fine I admit I didn't think about mono CM set. I don't really think its particularly good but okay then. It would be nice if it could swap its spdef with def then it might be a very good CMer. I still think Blissey and Aromatisse is at least as good as Florges overall since the other points I mentioned before are more important or as important as an obscure CM set.
Regular form has a higher percentage of being 3HKO'd if it decides to stay in on Machamp and Machamp continues to Dynamic Punch. Due to the nature of leftovers, third and final hit won't have lefties healing it. That's where the percentage of 3HKO'd comes in. Besides, the assumption is that in practice, Swampert only needs to stomach one hit per switch-in. Besides, I used the term "generalized" over "concluded" to account for numerical variability, such as the higher 3HKO percentage situation I stated earlier, Knock Off damage, etc.Quoting this From what i see in YOUR calcs:
252+ Atk Machamp Dynamic Punch vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 139-165 (34.6 - 41.1%)
252+ Atk Machamp Dynamic Punch vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Mega Swampert: 121-144 (30.1 - 35.9%)
Factoring leftovers you said: ¨Swampert has a higher percentage of being 3HKO'd by Machamp than what Mega Swampert has (due to the nature of Leftovers).¨
but then you say
¨ Now that we have established damage calculations, we can safely generalize that Swampert takes hits slightly better than Mega Swampert.¨
Mega Swampert takes hits better, and has less risk of being 3hkoed like you said, i think you got that point wrong.
Emboar actually isn't released until next week, but I don't know if that affects discussion of its placement yet.I'd like to see more input on A- for Chester and the placement of Emboar since it now has reckless to boost its suicide moves (fb+head smash). I'd also like input on which things will potentially become less/more viable due to Contrary Serperior's presence in this tier, since it's probably going to be a massive bitch here.
You guys probably get my point by now
What Emboar has to set it apart from other Fighting types is Reckless and good moves to abuse it. Emboar has a pretty nice STAB in Reckless Flare Blitz, which outdamages most megas strongest STABs(See Mega Beedrill and Aerodactyl) I see a scarf set on Emboar being very good, as it hits for lots of damage with its great dual STAB and coverage boosted by Reckless, as well as its speed with Scarf that can outspeed a ton of things.i disagree with emboar going to b or b+. the fact of the matter is that emboar is outclassed by every premier fighter in tier and has nothing that truly sets it apart from other fightings, its power buff hasnt changed that. It not strong enough to make up for that fact it has sub par bulk and is way too fucking slow to actually be good in this meta.
Well is regular swamper dies statisticallt faster than MEga Swampert thenRegular form has a higher percentage of being 3HKO'd if it decides to stay in on Machamp and Machamp continues to Dynamic Punch. Due to the nature of leftovers, third and final hit won't have lefties healing it. That's where the percentage of 3HKO'd comes in. Besides, the assumption is that in practice, Swampert only needs to stomach one hit per switch-in. Besides, I used the term "generalized" over "concluded" to account for numerical variability, such as the higher 3HKO percentage situation I stated earlier, Knock Off damage, etc.
If you're stupid enough to let either of them continuously take Dynamicpunches from Machamp.Well is regular swamper dies statisticallt faster than MEga Swampert then
We can safely generalize that MEGA Swampert takes hits slightly better thanMegaSwampert
Im not stupid like you to assume thats the onyl situation to stay vs Machamp. Anyways your argument is wrong.If you're stupid enough to let either of them continuously take Dynamicpunches from Machamp.