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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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i think everyone's switched to flat or scaling health seals and nobody really uses armor seals anymore
you don't strictly need them to jungle, but if you're playing a jungler that has a hard time clearing then consider doing small camp -> buff -> small camp -> recall to get your enhanced smite, as buff to buff isn't a necessity anymore and is flat-out impossible for some junglers
you don't strictly need them to jungle, but if you're playing a jungler that has a hard time clearing then consider doing small camp -> buff -> small camp -> recall to get your enhanced smite, as buff to buff isn't a necessity anymore and is flat-out impossible for some junglers
yeah, just make sure you're starting gromp or krugs and smiting those since it's honestly a waste to smite red/blue in the early game
on a weaker jungler like eve, for example, you could go gromp (smite) -> blue -> wolves (smite) -> recall, buy your stalker's blade and a pot and then go red -> chickens (smite) -> gank
on a weaker jungler like eve, for example, you could go gromp (smite) -> blue -> wolves (smite) -> recall, buy your stalker's blade and a pot and then go red -> chickens (smite) -> gank
A little bit of theory crafting about armor seals. I don't like to copy the standard rune or mastery pages unless I fully understand pros and cons in more detail. If you are the same way, my hidden text may help you decide if armor seals are for you or not.
I still recommend mostly armor seals on junglers. It helps keep you healthier due to jungle monsters doing sustained damage and not burst damage where the HP seals usually would help in lane vs possible mixed damage. You get sustain from your jungle item which has better synergy better with armor.
Armor is still really good. It usually comes down to top or bot lane, your champion, your opponent, how aggressive or defensive you think you will play, if you use any amount of armor quints, and if the enemy laner uses ignite or not. I don't think scaling armor seals are as good as scaling hp seals due to the synergy hp has with scaling mr glyphs, how brutalizer and last whisper can nullify scaling armor seals early or later on, a number of decent defensive items (hourglass, frozen heart, abyssal scepter, Athene's, thornmail) do not give health, and because scaling hp and scaling armor makes your laning no different either way.
Mid laners usually go scaling health, flat HP if your early game is weaker or if you are a melee. Vs Zed seals of 5 flat health seals and 4 armor seals for him is really good due to his sustained poke and ignite. 9 HP or Armor Seals vs Zed would also be a solid choice. More armor could be redundant due to the seeker's rush. More HP is bad against Ruined King.
Armor is still really good. It usually comes down to top or bot lane, your champion, your opponent, how aggressive or defensive you think you will play, if you use any amount of armor quints, and if the enemy laner uses ignite or not. I don't think scaling armor seals are as good as scaling hp seals due to the synergy hp has with scaling mr glyphs, how brutalizer and last whisper can nullify scaling armor seals early or later on, a number of decent defensive items (hourglass, frozen heart, abyssal scepter, Athene's, thornmail) do not give health, and because scaling hp and scaling armor makes your laning no different either way.
Mid laners usually go scaling health, flat HP if your early game is weaker or if you are a melee. Vs Zed seals of 5 flat health seals and 4 armor seals for him is really good due to his sustained poke and ignite. 9 HP or Armor Seals vs Zed would also be a solid choice. More armor could be redundant due to the seeker's rush. More HP is bad against Ruined King.
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Scaling surpasses flat HP seals at what, Level 5? Why the hell would anybody use flat HP seals?
Scaling defensive seals I will stand by my assertion that you may as well just use Gold seals. They actually scale similarly into mid- and lategame, as far as relative leveling speed (scaling stats) to game time (gold gain), and have the upside of being able to put that gold toward whatever stat you desire rather than being forced into the stat you chose pregame (HP in this case). The downside is they become useless at full build but that point of a game is very rarely reached. And as far as HP specifically, you still gain far more HP per level than you do Armor (or MR, if you gain any at all). Is Scaling HP even better than Flat Armor lategame, let alone scaling Armor?
Defensively, Flat Armor still has no real competition as far as I'm concerned. They're plainly still the best for jungling. Most every laner still enjoys them since minions deal physical damage, most junglers are physically inclined and AP casters don't have the mana or skill points to sit back and kill people with pure spell damage early on. Offensively though, with the killing of mana regen itemization for S5 I find (scaling) mana regen seals to be even more valuable to most casters.
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armor is probably the best for junglers now that it's so punishing, but back during late S4 when the jungle was a breeze, lots of players were switching to scaling health after the buff
other than that, flat health is usually a waste of time - that was a mistake in my earlier post, mb. a lot of players use scaling health seals, though, or a mix of scaling health and armor
other than that, flat health is usually a waste of time - that was a mistake in my earlier post, mb. a lot of players use scaling health seals, though, or a mix of scaling health and armor
Jungle you should just use flat Armor. Not only are many pros swapping to this but scaling leaves you dangerously close to death even with a 3 camp clear. This significantly hurts your chances to possibly react to a gank or even gank yourself.
Hell Amazing and co have swapped to using Attack Speed quints on Jarvan and actually Ive noticed it works nicely for me as well. Almost puts less pressure into obtaining Trailblazer (especially after Smite cd reduction is gone). I still take it though. Clearing camps starting with Krugs really benefits with the extra AS.
Hell Amazing and co have swapped to using Attack Speed quints on Jarvan and actually Ive noticed it works nicely for me as well. Almost puts less pressure into obtaining Trailblazer (especially after Smite cd reduction is gone). I still take it though. Clearing camps starting with Krugs really benefits with the extra AS.
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Meh can't complain maybe if I sell my account someone will like the concept of lesbian Tristana being mystery gifted on my account from based rito themselves and actually pay for all the stuff I have on the account but might as well sell because of how seldom I play this game.
Its rambo tristana (which is an awesome concept but like many early skins its done poorly).
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