They're excuses, now fuck off and stop making them
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Actually in most cases immigration was opened because wealthy businesspeople wanted to place downward pressure on blue collar wages, social costs be damned.
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It's really not valid at all. I already explained why voluntary immigration and immigration by way of slavery are different, if you can't see the difference then you're wilfully blind.
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I've got a better idea; you shut up or fuck off, ideally both in either order
I see you are on the verge of crying so I'm gonna calmly, softly tell you that nobody is shutting up or fucking off and that you have
0 authority.
I mean seriously, you say Muslims never had any positive influence in European societies and after being given examples of how they are represented in all aspects of life and how immigration was opened because these countries needed the labor and to take advantage of the human capital flight that are seeking better places from their homelands, you respond by simple saying "nope, doesn't count". Heck, when asked about your judgement of other minorities with high percentages of incarcerated compared to others you suddenly become a believer of social strife and poverty as causes of crime but for Muslims in European countries? No, let's just ignore their economical background and living conditions and just blame the creed.
You bring up Hindus and Sikhs while conveniently forget to mention it is mainly India’s educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.
Here is nice article about the prison population in India which sums up a couple of things:
"Most experts say that this disturbing trend is not because these communities commit more crimes. Rather, it arises because they are economically and socially under-privileged, unable to fight costly cases or often even pay for bail. Some say that these communities are targeted with false cases."
Concerning France and why it has a high prison component which is Muslim:
"French prison officials blame the high numbers on the poverty of people who have moved here from North African and other Islamic countries in recent decades. "Many immigrants arrive in France in difficult financial situations, which make delinquency more frequent," said Jeanne Sautière, director of integration and religious groups for the French prison system. "The most important thing is to say there is no correlation between Islam and delinquency."
But Muslim leaders, sociologists and human rights activists argue that more than in most other European countries, government social policies in France have served to isolate Muslims in impoverished suburbs that have high unemployment, inferior schools and substandard housing. This has helped create a generation of French-born children with little hope of social advancement and even less respect for French authority."
And to show that whenever the same conditions are present regardless of race or creed, the same thing is bound to happen:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england
Go on, say that no Western European country has improved from blacks or Eastern Europeans, etc.