09:39vonFiedler you almost tricked me
09:39vonFiedler into making me think
09:39vonFiedler we could fucking win a game together
09:39Celever how can we?
09:39Celever you're mafia
09:39Celever and you fucked up
09:39Celever lol
09:41vonFiedler Celever
09:41vonFiedler please think long hard
09:41vonFiedler about how many times we have had this conversation
09:41vonFiedler and how many times you have been right
09:41vonFiedler NOT ONCE
09:41vonFiedler this EXACT convo
Lynch vonFiedler
Yes, I know. First of all, let's look at some facts for point 1:
- Not a single mafia info role has flipped yet
- The only two claimed info roles are Ullar and von, who are tracker and inspector respectively
- Tracker is [basically] useless for a mafia faction. Like seriously, it's awful game design to put one on there.
This is point 1 for why von is mafia. No mafia info roles? In a game with vanillas even? That's awful game design in and of itself, and as von is the only sensible one left... Well, join the dots.
Why? Everyone believed it. Dale believed it. Gale believed it. This is probably your best point, but it's also pretty circumstantial. Everything about this game is bizarre, who can really base a lynch off of this? And why now?
Point 2:
- Only one vanillager has died throughout this entire game, who I shot last night for being the scummiest vanilla in the game. Ended up being wrong, but mistakes happen.
- von is basically the only player this whole game with the appropriate information to never shoot a vanilla. It could just be a huge coincidence, but I highly doubt it looking at how many vanillas we have. One of the 5 kills would have hit one for sure.
This really speak for itself. It
could just be a coincidence, yes, but it is highly unlikely. Unbelievably so.
Actually all the vanillas contacted each other fairly early, and those that didn't were players who never played at all. Not fucking rocket science here.
But moreso, you guys have been telling fucking EVERYONE in thread who had what role. Dale outed himself, Ullar outed you, Gale outed SB, Gale outed himself, UncleSam basically outed himself, I outed myself (I just wanted to fit in), and the mafia didn't need to know Cancerous was Martyr, he Martyr'd them. I think only one power role isn't outed, and you're coming awful close to doing so in this post.
Lie Count: 1
Point 3:
- Since von has taken over, all actions have been surprisingly ineffectual. He took over D4, and since then not a single lead has been uncovered via actions. In fact, not a single action has found any useful info since then. Going through the already public roles:
- Gale's watch was wasted both nights (I know nothing happened to his target last night because I asked him)
- Ullar's track would have been wasted both nights had he not changed his target, making it detrimental instead. Great play there, Ullar.
- von inspected me Night 4 when I was basically already cleaned via role, and he inspected a random vanilla last night.
This speaks for itself, really. He was in charge of roles (deigning to discuss them with me or Spiffy, who were both clean) so he takes the weight of this failure.
Ineffectual as opposed to before I took over? When Dale was literally drunk or hungover? You got the first few mafia by complete luck. I'd like to know how you would have used what little actions we actually have. My goal was to cast a wide net over unknowns and radicals, cause, you know, INSPECTOR HERE, but I'd love to know what renowned good player and coppa violator Celever would have done different.
You know damn well why Gale watched who he did, refer to point 4.
Lie Count: 2
As I explained to Ullar, just because the mafia doesn't take an action one night, doesn't mean the kill can't be shuffled around.
Nobody thought you were clean Night 4, I even told you to your face that I thought you were wolf.
Lie Count: 3
Random vanilla, as opposed to the other random vanillas? I'd love to know who you'd have inspected. I can wish I had inspected Cheird11, but he was completely inactive while the person I cleaned is not.
I discussed my actions with Gale, you were never around when I made my actions the first night and AVOIDED ME the second. Also I don't think you know what deigning means.
Point 4:
He's not fucking dead. He's also using it as an excuse to redirect PRs from actual targets.
You know damn well why I'm not dead, what with being sheeted, and it's odd that you'd call attention to it.
Lie Count: 4
I think it should be fairly clear to see that von is scum from this. He's going to attack this case, so get ready for the long haul lol. To counter one of the arguments he's going to undoubtedly make:
Nope, wasn't gonna. Wrong as usual.
Now I could sit here and talk about how Gale thought that Celever was a mole. I could find those logs where Celever threatened to kill Gale over SB (guess you were wrong about Gale... but you seemed so certain?). I could question why a villager would lie just to lynch someone. That always seemed to me like something mafia would do. And he won't directly address the lies, but anyone can see them, plain as day. I could question why he'd try to alert the mafia as to exactly why I'm not dead yet. Or why you were SO certain SB was village, like only someone who had inspected him or a mafia should know that. It's all very suspect, when you lay it out like that.
But it's also all very Celever. And frankly I'm dead tired of this song and dance by now. I'll say it here and now, I'm not playing a game with Celever ever again. If that means I'm not playing mafia... well... at least I've smogon tours and d&d to do. These fights we have, whenever we are on the same team, can't be fun for anyone or healthy for the community. And I'm so tired of it. It kills me, it really does. Consider this my final post on the matter.
We're
lynching Jalmont. Celever was pretty certain of
that lynch yesterday, and we all know Celever never changes his mind. Admitted mafia falling for now a known townie's ruse. If there was a 1% chance he was clean before, he sure as shit ain't now.