AV Raikou can handle both decently, using extrasensory on Gengar after taking a hit from Gengar and Tbolting Megados.
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InfernapeTropius11
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Thundurus-I can Para both and bop them with Thunderbolt, and AV Torn-T can take a hit from Gengar and kill it. Scarf Keldeo outspeeds +1 Mega Gyarados and resists both of its STABs and Ice Fang.
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Banned deucer.
Scarf Keldeo with HP Electric.
HP Electric is for easing mindgames with non-mega Gyarados + hitting a bunch of water / flying types, while Hydro Pump can OHKO Gengar after rocks, but it can't switch into Gengar very well.
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Gyarados: Keldeo, Azumarill, Mega Altaria, Hydreigon, Thundurus, Klefki, Mega Scizor, Scarf Kyurem-B and Mega Manectric are some good checks / revengekillers.
Gengar: Scarf Tyranitar, Banded Scizor, AV Tornadus-T and Bisharp work as solid checks / trappers. There are also some good revengekillers like Mega Lopunny and Mega Alakazam
Gengar: Scarf Tyranitar, Banded Scizor, AV Tornadus-T and Bisharp work as solid checks / trappers. There are also some good revengekillers like Mega Lopunny and Mega Alakazam
Yeah still very viable. It doesn't tear down stall like it did in XY but it still gives a lot of defensive mons a lot of trouble.
Of course. It certainly took a hit with new faster threats that threaten it like Diancie and Metagross, not to mention the increased opportunity cost as a wallbreaker, but it's still a very good threat that few people actually prefer for. If it fits on your team, go for it.
edit: namechange to celticninja imo
So i want to try a team with SubSeed Serperior.
SubSeed Serperior does not run dragon pulse so it can't break past Lati@s,Kyurem-B and Hydreigon.
I added Scarf T-tar as it can pursuit trap Lati@s and revenge kill all four of the mentioned threats while being able to check Talonflame at the same time As well as being able to hit Heatran with Superpower and revenge killing Bisharp. In return Serperior can beat the Bulky water and ground types t-tar struggles with.
My main concern is that Serperior loses a quarter of it's health when using substitute. This and the fact t-tar summons sand which chips away at serperior.
Does leftovers+Leech seed circumvent sandstorm+Substitute damage?
And if not should i scrap t-tar and run serp's aoa set?
SubSeed Serperior does not run dragon pulse so it can't break past Lati@s,Kyurem-B and Hydreigon.
I added Scarf T-tar as it can pursuit trap Lati@s and revenge kill all four of the mentioned threats while being able to check Talonflame at the same time As well as being able to hit Heatran with Superpower and revenge killing Bisharp. In return Serperior can beat the Bulky water and ground types t-tar struggles with.
My main concern is that Serperior loses a quarter of it's health when using substitute. This and the fact t-tar summons sand which chips away at serperior.
Does leftovers+Leech seed circumvent sandstorm+Substitute damage?
And if not should i scrap t-tar and run serp's aoa set?
InfernapeTropius11
get on my level
Leftovers cancels out the sand damage and then you get Leech Seed recovery (which will likely be more then 1/8 since Serp's HP is crap) so you should be fine (at the end of the turn after using Sub you should be at 100% again if they didn't break the sub on turn 1). Plus, sand isn't permanent. You are probably fine with SubSeed Serp and Tyranitar
Alright,thanks.
SubSeed serp is a pretty underwhelming set for serperior and I'd run all out attacking serperior over subseed serperior any day of the week. It has pretty underwhelming bulk and it's typing isn't really that good for a defensive mon. Tyranitar + excadrill + aoa serperior is still a great core and you might want to give that a go.
If you're running Scarf, a Timid nature is preferred to outpace Mega Lopunny and Mega Manectric. As Celticpride said, Timid is better given the rise in Jolly Mega Scizor.
For Torn-T or for Torn-T to use on something else it has issue with?
96 Atk Mega Sceptile Rock Slide vs. 132 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-T: 156-184 (46.9 - 55.4%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO
Rock Slide Mega Sceptile with a little bit of attack investment (96 EVs is not specific to anything, just a ballpark idea), it also lures Talonflame.
Pretty sure I'm the only person who's every used Rock Slide Mega Scept.
Thunder Wave Latis, Knock Off Gengar, Glare Serperior, Chople TTar, Stun Spore Amoonguss, Toxic Skarmory, Mirror Coat Alomomola / Suicune, Colbur Berry Gengar with Thunderbolt, Rock Slide Landorus as previously mentioned. Idk this is just me spitballing if I were building it pretty positive everything that Torn-T threatens more or less can hinder it on the switch in so I would just consider whatever.
What is the standard moveset and EVs for Assault Vest Metagross?
I believe so as haunter mentioned in the OP of the No Mega Ladder Thread that No Megas was an "experimental tier" and mentioned the possibility of reintroducing Megas. I'm inferring that the ability to unban things means that things can be banned as well.
Basically, in this experimental tier, named "OU (no Mega)", we're going to test the effects of mega evolutions on the metagame in order to address, among other things, the following issues:
1) bearing of mega evolutions on the match up component of the game;
2) restrictions on team building caused by mega evolutions;
3) level of diversity in a metagame without mega evolutions.
The OU (no Mega) ladder, which is being implemented as I type this post, will be open for playtesting for a few weeks. The tier will basically follow the standard OU banlist and rules, with the only exception that mega stones will have no effects. After we get a stable metagame, and according to the level of interest (or lack thereof) it creates in the playerbase, we might start to progressively introduce the mega evolutions that we, as a community, perceive as balanced for the tier.
1) bearing of mega evolutions on the match up component of the game;
2) restrictions on team building caused by mega evolutions;
3) level of diversity in a metagame without mega evolutions.
The OU (no Mega) ladder, which is being implemented as I type this post, will be open for playtesting for a few weeks. The tier will basically follow the standard OU banlist and rules, with the only exception that mega stones will have no effects. After we get a stable metagame, and according to the level of interest (or lack thereof) it creates in the playerbase, we might start to progressively introduce the mega evolutions that we, as a community, perceive as balanced for the tier.
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