Metagame NP: RU Stage 9: Hot Damn (Kingdra Quick Banned, see post #68)

[atomicllamas]

This latest tier shift has completely shaken up the metagame. This thread will be serving a new purpose as a General Metagame Discussion. The council will be keeping a close eye on the meta game in order to see if anything stands out as quick ban worthy, it is unlikely that anything will be banned for at least a week in order to give everyone an adequate amount of time to play the meta game. For now, sharing your knowledge of the (NEW) Metagame is a great way to get involved and help out the community, and this new thread is just the place to do that. Some things that could be discussed in this thread include:

• New Stage - Make some predictions on what the metagame will be like, after a few days we'd prefer if you post about actual meta game experiences and not theorymonning

• Suspect Testing - If you believe that anything is worthy of a suspect test, post about it and why you think it deserves a suspect test or to be quick banned. (However, keep in mind that we will not be banning anything immediatly, in order to adequately explore the meta).

• Metagame trends - What are the most common or effective strategies? Are there any Pokemon that you think will rise in usage?

• Top threats - What should the main priorities be when considering a team for RU?

• Playstyles - Which are most effective? Are there any that cannot succeed?

• Cores - What are some popular or solid cores? Why do they work so well, and what can be used to beat them?

• Underrated Pokemon - Just because a Pokemon isn't used much doesn't mean its bad! There are plenty of hidden gems scattered throughout low RU, NU, PU, and possibly even Little Cup!

• New sets - If you have a unique set that you've had success with recently, share it!

Be sure to keep this discussion as civil as possible, as always.

And remember to enjoy this awesome tier and only think about current suspects if the meta turns out to really suck.

The NP song is Hot Damn:

because Hot Damn these tier changes are crazy.

Also as a note, we felt there was too much shit posting immediately following the start of the last NP thread, as a result we are going to be more strict with moderation in this NP. Please keep the discussion on topic, if you want to post, "Ugh, another terrible NP song by atomicllamas" feel free to post on my wall.

 

[Natural Talent]

SHOW ME THE BIRDS!!

Flying types seem pretty strong rn. With rises in doublade and abomasnow they get a lot better. With them being so fast in a slow tier is a good strength in the tier.

Definitely want to see things like swellow rise up the ranks.

Also looking forward to seeing eviolite babies like togetic scyther and sneasel get better.

A core I like rn is :

Offensive

+

Defensive / Balance

+

Haven't played a lot of the new tier so I can't say too much.

 

[EonX]

Alright, I was around last night and hosted a tour in the RU room on PS! to kind of see what early trends I could sense (also HI GUYS) Before I get into trends, I figured I'd give a quick breakdown of how I view the new drops right now:

Scrafty: While not terrible, I don't think it will be anywhere near the threat that the other new drops will be. Bulk Up sets will probably be the way to go, but with a weakness to Fighting and Flying as well as a Speed stat that leaves a lot to be desired (even outsped by Scarf Emboar at +1, so DD isn't that great) I just don't see it having a large impact. It'll probably be decent, but nothing amazing.

Flygon: Now we get to the really fun stuff. Flygon I don't think will be broken, ever. However, it will be really fucking good. Band, offensive Defog, Scarf, and even defensive Defog are all possible sets it could run. Flygon has an amazing Speed tier (though not perfect!) that allows it to run all of these sets effectively. I personally feel like Band and offensive Defog will be its best sets as Band hits really hard at a good Speed tier while offensive Defog provides great support for offensive-minded teams. Scarf is nice vs. offense, which will probably be super common in the first few days, but I don't think it'll be amazing in the long run while defensive Defog at least gives us a defensive Defog option that isn't totally fucked by the hazards it tries to remove. Oh, and it has recovery in Roost.

Noivern: Noivern is going to be very tricky to handle. While I don't think it's stupid broken, I can see it getting suspected somewhere down the line. You basically have a faster, yet weaker Moltres that can viably run Specs and isn't boned as hard by Rocks. Great Speed tier means that only Jolteon, Accelgor, and some Scarfers (Rotom-C, Flygon, Meloetta, and Houndoom) can outspeed it amongst relevant RU mons (Scarf Emboar falls short) This will make it very hard for offense to keep in check and it does have Infiltrator to ignore Sub boosters. It has just enough coverage to get by as well thanks to its powerful, yet unreliable twin STABs as well as Focus Blast / Flamethrower. Also, Specs sets can run Switcheroo to completely bone walls that try to tank its hits (perfect for Steels like Bronzong and Registeel) Finally, it has access to a really fast Taunt to act as a stallbreaker of sorts, but I'd much rather just use its offensive firepower imo.

Kingdra: Well, we all knew this day was coming eventually. Between CritDra, Specs, Rain Dance, SubDD, and ChestoRest DD, I can't think of a single RU mon that is safe against this thing. You literally have very little way of figuring out its set before it comes in (unless it's on a rain team obviously, but even then it could be Specs or Rain Dance) Solid defensive typing, 85/95/95 bulk to take what it should and 95/95 offenses make it a very reliable choice on any team. Special sets have 2 high-powered STABs to work with while physical sets can run Outrage. Hell, even the rain set can go mixed with Waterfall if you wanted to. If that wasn't enough, you could probably get away with DD + 3 Attacks to smack Aromatisse with Iron Head. The only possible issue I see for Kingdra is that it's not super fast. Base 85 puts it behind most Scarfers at +1 and most offensive mons without a boost, making it hard to set up both Focus Energy and Agility on the CritDra set and makes it harder for DD sets to outright sweep. That said, base 85 is more than enough to beat out every defensive mon in the tier and it has the coverage with its STABs to make it really fucking hard for offensive mons to switch-in. Very easily the best drop right now.

As for trends, Rain is fucking strong. With Kingdra's Swift Swim and Noivern being able to throw around 100% accurate Hurricanes, that's two major additions that don't auto-lose to Electric moves. (Noivern even 4x resists Grass) Flying types are definitely better since Fighting-types lost a lot of their checks in the tier shifts. And double dragon is most definitely a thing now. With just two viable Fairy-types in Aromatisse and Granbull left and the fact that all 3 of the new Dragons have a secondary STAB to punish these switch-ins with, I can see it being quite difficult for teams to handle an onslaught from two Dragons. Of course, don't forget we already had Tyrantrum and Druddigon to work with. Lastly, HO is a thing again. We lost a lot of defensive backbones / tanks for teams (Slowking, Cress, Blade) while gaining nothing but offensive mons in the tier shifts.

As for one Pokemon I'd keep an eye on, Uxie. Uxie lost a lot of its competition and now becomes the bulkiest Psychic-type in the tier. With Rocks, T-Wave, U-turn, Rain Dance, Screens, and even the ability to go SubCM (no idea how good or bad this would be. Just throwing it out there) Uxie is quite viable now imo. With twin 130 defenses and a solid base 95 Speed, I wouldn't be surprised to see it becoming more of a common sight on bulkier teams looking for a strong defensive pivot with supporting options.

 

[Alfalfa]

Alright, I was around last night and hosted a tour in the RU room on PS! to kind of see what early trends I could sense (also HI GUYS) Before I get into trends, I figured I'd give a quick breakdown of how I view the new drops right now:

Scrafty: While not terrible, I don't think it will be anywhere near the threat that the other new drops will be. Bulk Up sets will probably be the way to go, but with a weakness to Fighting and Flying as well as a Speed stat that leaves a lot to be desired (even outsped by Scarf Emboar at +1, so DD isn't that great) I just don't see it having a large impact. It'll probably be decent, but nothing amazing.

As much as I dislike Scrafty, there are some things going for it that you have not mentioned. With Whimsicott and Slurpuff going up to UU, Scrafty has two less hard checks to deal with. While being outsped by most Choice Scarf users is a pain in the neck, if you are not preparing for them by pairing Scrafty with teammates that can pressure or remove opposing Choice Scarf users, such as Dugtrio or anything similar, then that is your own fault. You could say that about UU, but UU is far more prepared in dealing with Scrafty due to having more bulky waters, more Pokemon that can outspeed Scrafty at +1 without a boost, and having a larger slew of revenge killers that beat a +1 Scrafty one-on-one; while RU did just gain Flygon and Noivern that both annoy Scrafty, they also help it by keeping faster offensive Pokemon in check (Flygon with Scarf), along with pressuring Scrafty's defensive checks like Mega Steelix, Qwilfish, Tangrowth, and Hitmontop. Considering that Scrafty is meant to be a late-game cleaner or a stallbreaker (remove Fairies first though), all you need to do is weaken or remove its checks, just like any other Pokemon, before you attempt to sweep with it. As for rain offense, while it does inhibit Scrafty's capabilities, RU is capable of adapting to the rise in such a playstyle.

 

[ManOfMany]

RU is now dragon meta :D

I didn't make those majestic images.

It seems to me like Aromatisse is god right now, as it acts as a nice blanket check to all 4 drops. However, Aromatisse is still heavily pressured by all the non-dragon type moves of the four drops. It will be interesting choosing between physically defensive or specially defensive leaning variants. Physdef beats Band Flygon, and handles Life Orb DD Scrafty better, but SpDef combats the main rain dance, specs, and scope lens Kingdra as well as Noivern.

Dual Dragon seems like a great way to lure and weaken Aroma, Granbull, or Togetic with one dragon so another can sweep. Something like Flash Cannon Critdra can be paired with life orb Noivern or scarf Flygon. Or Banded Iron Tail Flygon can lure and weaken fairies for a DD/Rain Dance Kingdra sweep or a Rock Polish Tyrantrum sweep (let's not forget about T-Rekt)

Because nearly every balanced team will carry a fairy type, Scrafty's bulk up set will probably be really ineffective, sadly. However, the dragon dance set can muscle through fairies with iron head if equipped with a life orb, or with a lucky flinch. There are many scarfed pokemon that outspeed scrafty with one boost so I expect to see a lot of knock-offing on the switch to these mons, before going for the final sweep late-game.

Kingdra looks like the most fun to me, due to the sheer amount of sets it can run. Rain Dance is the most obvious one, and the only set that is truly broken, (although most swift swimmers are broken in the rain). DD is super dangerous because , but its waterfall doesn't hit that hard even at +1, and scarf Flygon will be a nice check. I think I would prefer Chesto-Rest DD because it can easily get to +2 vs most walls with that combination. Critdra is perhaps the ultimate wallbreaker, and it can even switch on and defeat calm mind Reuni as it avoids the 2HKO from psyshock. It can also sweep teams with agility with a lot of critical hit luck. Specs hits really hard but I would rather use a faster pokemon like Noivern; still Kingdra has some abusable resistances meaning it can switch out and in multiple times during a match. Another interesting set that I theorized may be Sub-Disable, which combined with leftovers allows Kingdra to actually stall out some mono-attackers like Togetic or Jellicent- it will probably be a gimmick though.

 

[Hootie]

Mega Glalie puts in a ton of work in the meta now. With its main competition in Mega Abomasnow gone as well as losing a lot of its checks, the only reliable answers are Mega Steelix and Alomomola, but Glalie could very well run Super Fang to wear down the latter and pressure it to recover while it sets up Spikes freely. It's a threat to Rain teams and has just the right moves to take down all of the Dragon-types that have dropped. Kingdra gets maimed by Freeze Dry, while Flygon and Noivern are easily revenged by Ice Shard. The rise of Hyper Offense only made things better for Glalie as it puts a lot of pressure against these kind of teams. I can see this being the tier's best Mega especially because Mega Steelix hates the presence of Kingdra and Flygon currently. The only flaws that it has, is a small case of 4MSS and vulnerability to all entry hazards, but the latter issue is easily covered by spin support which is much more viable now that the tier's most reliable Spin Blocker is gone and as well as addition of Defog Flygon.

Here's good set for it right now:

Glalie @ Glalitite
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Return / Double-Edge
- Ice Shard
- Explosion / Freeze Dry / Super Fang
- Spikes

 

[Lord Death Man]

I'd like to add that Glalie can also afford to run adamant now, which gives Double Edge the kill on Kingdra and means Ice Shard can never miss the KO on Noivern, which is always nice. The base 95s are really hurt by Flygon being around, and while Melo isn't super rare, I haven't see nearly as much Drapion/Houndoom, which are the mons it outspeeds with Jolly (also Sigi but you bop that with Ice Shard as well). Freeze Dry can still be useful for destroying rain teams, but Adamant explosion is always nice.

Similarly, Cryogonal has a lot going for it now. 252 SpA Life Orb Noivern Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cryogonal: 161-192 (57.2 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO, 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cryogonal: 184-217 (65.4 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO. 105 base speed, freeze dry bops Kingdra and KOs the other dragons.

I'm also finding offensive subCM Delphox a very interesting partner to Noivern and Flygon, since they can U-turn on their checks (lol aromatisse) and it usually gets at least a sub up for free on them. I've had a low opinion of Dazzling Gleam on phox before now, but it's there and it's pretty nice. Just watch out for Spiritomb. Unsure about LO/Specs/Scarf, but it DOES outspeed Flygon and Glalie.

 

[Moon]

New meta hype, I was able to play a bunch of matches last night with EonX and friends, and he pretty much hit the nail on the head with that post. There are a few things I can add though.

Togetic is also a third viable fairy, as KingT mentioned, and I think it is going to put in a ton of work. It one of the most solid fighting checks (which there are fewer of), a dragon check, hard walls flygon, and is already the best option for defog on defensive teams. Not to mention it can run the nastypass set which could be devestating given to Noivern/Kingdra.

Scarf Tyrantrum gains a big advantage over scarf Emboar with Noivern in the tier, which outspeeds scarfboar. This means Tyrantrum should be the go-to choice scarf user imo. It also gets SE stab on all of these dragons that have dropped.

Kingdra is likely too much for the tier. A lot of people tested rain yesterday and even I did just to see how ridiculous it is and yeah, it's really strong. Playing offense is pretty risky when you more or less auto lose to Kingdra rain. Other sets like Critdra and the DD sets are about just as hard to handle for stall and balance respectively.

Mega Glalie also gets some very nice benefits with the drop, as it can ice shard Flygon and Noivern and freeze dry Kingdra. I believe that hazard stacking teams that utilize Mega Glalie as an offensive spikes setter which I have been a proponent of for a while will be become more popular, due to the fact that it shuts down everyone's favorite new defogger Flygon.

On that note, spike stacking teams are one of the things heavily effected by the changes. Doublade and Abomasnow were two of the faces of this playstyle, and most teams had either one or both of these threats (see: every team I make). This style will have to adapt a lot to the new meta, likely with increased use of Glalie and Spiritomb being used more prominently as a spinblocker.
Double dragon teams will be pretty poweful and I think dragon spam will actually be a fun new part of RU (minus Kingdra). I played a match against Omfuga yesterday where he even brought a triple dragon team of band Flygon and specs Noivern and Kingdra.

 

[phantom]

Idk why people are hyping Bulk Up over Dragon Dance on Scrafty lol. You guys realize DD Scrafty is the most customizable sweeper RU has ever had, right? It can run combinations such as resist berry + shed skin to beat Fairys or avoid getting revenge killed by certain Pokemon, there's also the the option to run Moxie + Lum Berry or even Intimidate to further ease set up. Dragon Dance Scrafty is really good from what I've seen and is definitely a threat to look out for in the future. The fact that it can be tailor-made to accommodate your specific build makes it all the better. Bulk Up Scrafty is pretty much asking for Noivern or a Fairy to swoop in and RK it... I don't understand why that set is so common, seems pretty average in comparison to other things Scrafty can do.

 

[Venoxio]

Aromatisse is gonna have fun with the new meta. With Doublade rising, and all these dragons now in the tier, it will be a wall that will just be an all around good choice. Togetic also gets an honorable mention for the same reasons, but for Serene Grace Thunder wave as well. Also, one more thing: Noivern is pretty good. Sash is a great set, and specs/scarf are viable sets too.

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Damage Calcs
252 SpA Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 322-379 (60.2 - 70.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Noivern Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Amoonguss: 270-318 (62.5 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 220-261 (53.1 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

 

[Guidorealmsmc]

Aromatisse is gonna have fun with the new meta. With Doublade rising, and all these dragons now in the tier, it will be a wall that will just be an all around good choice. Togetic also gets an honorable mention for the same reasons, but for Serene Grace Thunder wave as well. Also, one more thing: Noivern is pretty good. Sash is a great set, and specs/scarf are viable sets too.

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Damage Calcs
252 SpA Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 322-379 (60.2 - 70.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Noivern Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Amoonguss: 270-318 (62.5 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 220-261 (53.1 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Nope sash isn't good as noivern really needs the power life orb provides. Also scarf is garbage. Also with doublade gone it might be a good idea to keep an eye on durant. Finally delphox is so good rn since slowking left. Plus about scrafty all of its sets are good but dragon dance plus either one of coba chople and roseli berry are good lures to stop revenge killing. Not to mention the choices of ability make it very caterable based on personal preference and bulk up is pretty good but lacks the caterableness dragon dance has.

 

[Cowtao]

BAT

Noivern @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- Draco Meteor

I have been running around with this set lately to great success. The three coverage moves are to give Noivern the best coverage possible with it's moveset. With a somewhat lacking 97 Sp. Atk, he needs the most damage output possible to have a great niche in this new metagame. Hurricane and Draco Meteor are obvious Dual STABS that put out great damage with Specs. Heat Wave is the best coverage move available to hit Magneton, Cobalion, M-Lix, and Escav for massive damage (Translating to 2HKO's and an OHKO on Escav). U-Turn is to give momentum to another mon. Very typical set. You can try moving down some moves to more accurate ones, but you will immediately feel the decrease in damage.

Noivern is a very cool mon. He is essentially the perfect replacement towards Moltres in terms of being a daunting Special Attacker. With that being said, he suffers when it comes to being an accurate mon. Noivern has the ability to clear paths and wallbreak, but only if it hits. With that, you'd want great partners and I found Pivot Cobalion to be an amazing partner to go along with Noivern. They form an awesome VoltTurn combo with Cobalion also removing some strong Checks to Noivern such as Hitmonlee and Mega-Glalie.

 

[astroboy]

shared this spread in the ru room and thought it'd be cool to post it here

Flygon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 52 Atk / 140 Def / 68 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog

evs let you always live cb emboar's superpower after rocks and ohko back with eq, while the speed evs let you outspeed up to jolly unboosted emboar. cool set and also checks coba

52 Atk Flygon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Emboar: 320-380 (88.6 - 105.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Emboar Superpower vs. 248 HP / 140+ Def Flygon: 288-340 (79.3 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 140+ Def Flygon: 142-168 (39.1 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
52 Atk Flygon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Cobalion: 182-216 (56.3 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

e: also pretty good hard check to psyshock delphox

 

[EonX]

Something I've been having some fun with personally:

Flygon @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- U-turn
- Dragon Claw

Band Flygon is really fucking fun to use. It sits at a really good Speed tier and has great STAB coverage. Base 100 Attack is definitely nice, but the power boost is much appreciated to deal some serious damage to defensive cores. EQ and Outrage explain themselves basically and U-turn is amazing on a mon that is taking 6% from hazards every time it comes in because it quite simply doesn't give a fuck about them. The last slot is really customizable imo. I personally run Dragon Claw as I like having a Dragon STAB I can lock into early-game, but there are certainly other options out there. Fire Punch is your only way around Bronzong and Toxic can be really cute on Alomomola. Iron Tail is also an option if you just want to obliterate Aromatisse and get some serious damage on Togetic, the latter of which walls you otherwise. Heck, you could probably even run Defog if your team isn't reliant on hazards and / or has sturdy hazard setters. Oh, and did I mention that it has Tailwind too? This thing has a ton of options in the last slot, it's crazy. It's great on Spikes offense, but can also be a really good offensive pivot on bulkier teams thanks to its great typing and resilience to hazards.

Cowtao, unless Heat Wave gets you a certain KO, I'd much rather use Flamethrower thanks to that 100% accuracy. As for Specs Noivern as a whole, it can be fucking scary. Don't forget that it also has access to Switcheroo if you want to give it the ability to mess with opposing walls.

 

[P is For Penguin]

This set has been extremely fun to use.

Togetic @ Eviolite
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpA
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Dazzling Gleam
- Flamethrower

This set is personally just fun to use. It beats most of the new drops bar kingdra which it can still deal some necessary damage to it so that you are able to handle kingdra in other ways. Flamethrower allows togetic to deal nice damage to bulky steals that will try to come in on it such as mega lix and escalvier. Toge is no speed demon but it has enough speed to outspeed the steals that are going to come in to punish it. Eviolite gives togetic even more bulk than it already has and with roost it has reliable recovery. This set tends to catch some people off guard due to the fact they just assume it to be nasty pass. Originally i was testing out cm tisse to try and handle the new drops but i feel like toge is just a better answer to them for now.

 

[col49]

so i had decided that before i posted on theorymon alone, i'd go ahead and get a solid feel for what this meta would offer, but having done so, i can p.safely say that this is (at no fault of any one person or group of people) a really awful metagame state we have currently. the fact that the vast majority of drops (all barring flygon, which i had hoped would drop for some time) have an abjectly negative effect on the tier would have been made a bit more manageable were it not for the fact that we lost the majority of pokemon that had the capacity to check them handily to tier shifts as well.

as i might observe it, the most optimal method of addressing these shifts would be to quick-ban kingdra (which is a silly pokemon that is without proficient counters barring certain, very precisely ev'ed water- and grass-types, and has the potential to end-game most offense with one free turn) and hold a public suspect for noivern and scrafty. my rationale behind this would be that, simply, most everybody openly acknowledges the potency of kingdra in this tier, but fewer are as decided about scrafty and noivern. that said, i do consider neither to be healthy for this metagame, as stated prior. scrafty is, to me, a pokemon which could potentially be observed as a "good, but not great" sweeper that is pushed over the edge by the sheer versatility of techs that can be made to it as to optimize its performance vs certain builds. to put it into perspective, the average dd set i can see running a standard max / max spread @ jolly, with the moves dd / knock / hjk being more-or-less set in stone, yeah? however, from thereon in, it can customize it's ability, final moveslot, and item slot so many different ways as to suit the needs of the team at hand (all abilities have solid application, it can assuredly run sub / drain punch / ice punch / coverage for faeries, items include lum / lo / chople / lefties / other?, etc etc), making it actually the worst thing to play against. noivern is getting downplayed a bit, but the way it stilts speed tiers just puts another huge hole in most traditional offense builds a la m-pidge (though pidge was worse, given it could stall-break more proficiently than noivern). furthermore, techs like taunt and super fang make it that much more unwieldy to play against for your average defensive build.

side note, things that i think are really cool rn: sneasel, m-audino (both tank and standard defensive), piloswine, gurdurr, otr 'zong (trick room in general, even, if you can support it well), spdef rotom-c. i'll maybe post more on those in the future, but i have work e_e

 

[TheEpicCD56]

Let's talk about our new god for a minute.
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OUR NEW GOD (Glalie-Mega) @ Glalitite
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Shard
This set in RU is the best set glalie can use atm. Return is the move you'll be clicking the most (It does the same amount of damage as EQ if the mon resists ice and is neutral against ground or if the mon is neutral to ice and weak to ground.) Earthquake is coverage for fire and steel types that resist all your other moves. Freeze-Dry hits Kingdra for 4x SE damage and hits less relevant threats like Seismitoad and Alomomola hard. Ice shard kills noivern and flygon before the have a chance to attack. The tier shift got rid of its premier checks and gave us shit that is super weak to it. S RANK EZ.

 

[Guidorealmsmc]

No one even mentioned delphox yet? I'm shocked as it got buffed really hard in the form of slowking and cresselia leaving means 2 of it's best checks left. Not to mention it provides awesome synergy with the new drops and it sets up on their checks(aromatisse,togetic) with ease. Plus hazards are easier to remove now. Sure houndoom is annoying but it got nerfed a bit. Also 49 I'm not too solid on suspect testing scrafty and noivern just yet since they just dropped yesterday but I do agree kingdra should be quickbanned as it is very centralizing. It made rain relevant in ru when it dropped and if you ask me that is a hint it is centralizing.

 

[TheEpicCD56]

No one even mentioned delphox yet? I'm shocked as it got buffed really hard in the form of slowking and cresselia leaving means 2 of it's best checks left. Not to mention it provides awesome synergy with the new drops and it sets up on their checks(aromatisse,togetic) with ease. Plus hazards are easier to remove now.

I was gonna mention that too but I forgot and then you ninja'd me.

 

[HypnoEmpire]

Some thoughts:

After using Escavalier for some time, I'm thinking Shell Armor is superior to Overcoat now. Escavalier doesn't have to worry about hail since Abomasnow's gone now and unless your opponent predicts Shell Armor, they won't be using spore or powder moves on Escavalier. Not only does Shell Armor block random crits, but it also enables Escavalier to be one of the few things that can take on Critdra defensively (Assault Vest Lapras :] ). RestTalk Swords Dance Escavalier can be run on stall, Assault Vest and Choice Band are nice on more balanced and offensive teams. Escavalier looks really solid on rain teams, but I haven't tried rain yet.

Speaking of rain, rain teams are super threatening right now, especially to offensive teams. So what do I use to stop rain? Sunny Day Liepard. On the team I use it on, it's nice as a secondary Psychic-type check, fast pivot, and rain disruptor. Sunny Day sounds ridiculous and match-up reliant, but my offensive teams cannot fair too well against rain unless Liepard or some other Prankster Pokemon like Cottonee is around to set Sunny Day.

Sneasel and just Ice-types in general are really nice right now with the dragons roaming around.

Cobalion is amazing and I can honestly see it in S rank when the viability ranking are up. It loves that Slowking, Cresselia, and Doublade moved up as they were some of the best answers to SD Cobalion. Cobalion is also an awesome teammate with the dragons and fighting-types as Cobalion can take on the Fairy-types they dislike such as Aromatisse, Togetic, Granbull, and Mega Audino. Medicham, Hitmonlee, and other Fighting-types also got better.

I overlooked Tyrantrum when the dragons first dropped, but it's an amazing Pokemon. Choice Scarf Tyrantrum is overall more useful than Choice Scarf Emboar imo since it outspeeds Noivern and isn't set up on by Kingdra with its main STAB. Choice Band Tyrantrum can break down checks and counters for the other dragons too so that's cool.

This meta is fun and it feels like a new game came out lol, but Kingdra and Noivern are really obviously broken to me. Not so sold on Scrafty yet, but that's because I've yet to use it and I only see Bulk Up on the ladder for some reason. Flygon is a nice addition to the tier though. :]

AV Lapras only Kingdra counter

 

[Wandering Wobbuffet]

HypnoEmpire spoiled it but all hail the mighty dragon spam counter!!!

Nessie (Lapras) (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Ancient Power
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Shard
- Surf

First thing you will notice is it gets freeze dry, one of the most outstanding moves in the RU meta currently. Obviously takes care of some threats. With AV this thing gets loads of special defense and without and HP investment gets 401 HP. It's a great matchup against kingdra. If you're team struggles with swift swim kingdra run water absorb (or rest hydration if you want to be a major douche). If it suffers with critdra guess what? It gets shell armor. DD kingdra still threatans this thing quite a bit however. (+1 252+ Atk Kingdra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 313-369 (78 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) Obviously if kingdra gets too +2 it's GG (which is why it should be quickbanned). If you're not using shell armor however DO NOT SEND THIS OUT AGAINST CRITDRA. This thing also struggles with banded flygon with stone edge however so Lapras doesn't counter that. Noivern on the other hand can't really touch Lapras.

Anyways Calcs:

• For swift swim kingdra assuming that you're running water absorb: 252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 133-157 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
• 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 396-468 (136 - 160.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• Critdra assuming you're not shell armor: 252+ SpA Sniper Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras on a critical hit: 229-271 (57.1 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• Assuming you are: 252+ SpA Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 102-121 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO (It's actually going to be less since after each turn kingdra's special attack sharply lowers and crits are blocked)
• DD kingdra I already covered and said that this is not a counter too.
• Noivern: 252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 142-168 (35.4 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  
• 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Noivern: 456-540 (146.6 - 173.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• 4 Atk Lapras Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 184-220 (59.1 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• As I said it's not a flygon counter but here you go anyways: 252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 295-348 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• 252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 328-388 (81.7 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• If it's defog flygon this could be noted: 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Flygon: 456-540 (125.2 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• 4 Atk Lapras Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Flygon: 168-196 (46.1 - 53.8%) -- 2.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[mael]

I personally enjoyed using Fletchinder a lot in the games I had so far. It does a huge chunk to all the drops, manages a 2HKO on all of them and actually has a shot at sweeping most dragon spam/rain dance teams. Even though it did drop to NU, it's viability increased a lot, considering that with the new threats the metagame seems to be evolving to a more offensive one, and that is where Fletch shines, against offense it has such an easy time sweeping sometimes, as long as it managess to get a set up opportunitiy. Dealing 60% to Noivern, around 50 to Flygon and Kingdra and having a decent shot at OHKOing Scrafty. Fighting mons lost quite a bunch of checks/counters, so it's to be expected, that they increase in Usage, which again makes Fletchinder more useful.

 

[MQJinx]

Here's a mon I've been trying out on a rain team:

Volbeat (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Rain Dance
- Encore
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn

What this set does is cripple as many threats as possible and set up rain. Thunder Wave makes fast stuff like Noivern and scarfers easier to revenge kill and can act as an emergency stop to setup sweepers. Encore discourages setup, cripples utility mons, and makes leads think twice before setting up hazards. The Relaxed nature and 0 Speed IVs are for a slow U-turn to safely switch in a rain abuser.

Of course this shouldn't be a rain team's sole rain setter; bulky rain setters like Uxie are good backup setters.

 

[ManOfMany]

HypnoEmpire spoiled it but all hail the mighty dragon spam counter!!!

Nessie (Lapras) (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Ancient Power
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Shard
- Surf

First thing you will notice is it gets freeze dry, one of the most outstanding moves in the RU meta currently. Obviously takes care of some threats. With AV this thing gets loads of special defense and without and HP investment gets 401 HP. It's a great matchup against kingdra. If you're team struggles with swift swim kingdra run water absorb (or rest hydration if you want to be a major douche). If it suffers with critdra guess what? It gets shell armor. DD kingdra still threatans this thing quite a bit however. (+1 252+ Atk Kingdra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 313-369 (78 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) Obviously if kingdra gets too +2 it's GG (which is why it should be quickbanned). If you're not using shell armor however DO NOT SEND THIS OUT AGAINST CRITDRA. This thing also struggles with banded flygon with stone edge however so Lapras doesn't counter that. Noivern on the other hand can't really touch Lapras.

Anyways Calcs:

• For swift swim kingdra assuming that you're running water absorb: 252+ SpA Life Orb Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 133-157 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
• 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 396-468 (136 - 160.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• Critdra assuming you're not shell armor: 252+ SpA Sniper Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras on a critical hit: 229-271 (57.1 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• Assuming you are: 252+ SpA Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 102-121 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO (It's actually going to be less since after each turn kingdra's special attack sharply lowers and crits are blocked)
• DD kingdra I already covered and said that this is not a counter too.
• Noivern: 252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Lapras: 142-168 (35.4 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  
• 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Noivern: 456-540 (146.6 - 173.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• 4 Atk Lapras Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 184-220 (59.1 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• As I said it's not a flygon counter but here you go anyways: 252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 295-348 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• 252 Atk Choice Band Flygon Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 328-388 (81.7 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• If it's defog flygon this could be noted: 252+ SpA Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Flygon: 456-540 (125.2 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• 4 Atk Lapras Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Flygon: 168-196 (46.1 - 53.8%) -- 2.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Question: Why are you running ancient power? I would much rather run ice beam or hydro pump.

Anyway, the funny thing about Lapras is that it is actually decently hard to wall despite its 85 SpA, as it threatens the grass-water core of Tangrowth/Amoonguss and Alomomola/Jellicent/Gastrodon with freeze dry alone. Also 2HKOes standard Togetic with ice beam.

I don't know if this makes it viable or not, but it is certainly worth a try before Kingdra is banned.

 

[EonX]

Quite a few people have mentioned Liepard, and I have to say that it's pretty fun to use in the current meta. It's amazing on rain teams as a rain setter and, as HypnoEmpire alluded to in his post, it can also utilize Prankster Sunny Day to disrupt opposing rain teams. But why use Liepard over other Prankster weather users you ask? Simple. It gets Encore + U-turn. This is, bar none, one of the easiest setup opportunities for the likes of Kingdra, Kabutops, and Ludicolo. Encore the opponent into an undesirable move and use U-turn to keep switch advantage on a possible forced switch. Base 105 Speed and STAB Knock Off means that it can still serve as a nice revenge killer for stuff like Delphox, Meloetta, weakened non-Scarf Flygon, among some other things. For those who haven't pieced together the set I'm talking about yet, here it is for your convenience:

Liepard @ Damp Rock
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rain Dance
- Encore
- U-turn
- Knock Off

For those using Sunny Day to disrupt opposing Rain teams, I'd probably just move all HP EVs to Attack and switch to BlackGlasses to power up Knock Off significantly in order to deal some serious damage to the weather abuser you disrupt.

As for Delphox, it definitely got better. The problems lie in the fact that rain is everywhere, Noivern bodies it, and Houndoom still exists. And I'm working with SD Cobalion right now. Very solid and Iron Head is fucking amazing.