All of those bar tgpass (lol volbeat in OU) involve speed...
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Finals Official Smogon Tournament XI - Finals [Won by WhiteQueen]
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This whole implication that I got outplayed by blunder is a bit exaggerated. How exactly did I get outplayed? Explain or be quiet please. Game one I played about as well as it gets. There was no need for me to make any risky plays when I just needed to play solidly to wear his team down.
Game two, his whole team checked Serperior, yet I had my regal snake in a position to win, if that Leaf Storm didn't miss. That froze I inflicted on his Ttar was the only lucky break I got. The Hydro crit was inconsequential, as that cotton ball just healed itself back.
Game two, his whole team checked Serperior, yet I had my regal snake in a position to win, if that Leaf Storm didn't miss. That froze I inflicted on his Ttar was the only lucky break I got. The Hydro crit was inconsequential, as that cotton ball just healed itself back.
Gonna start running Flatter with a CB TTar to trap every Celebi if we ban BP + boosts tbh
Congrats Whitequeen, knew you had it in you!
Congrats Whitequeen, knew you had it in you!
Congrats my beautiful WhiteQueen, I've always known you were a champ at heart. 
WhiteQueen I liked your team. An offensive build with an Espeon + Scolipede core slapped into it (as the team's main win condition) with no team support at all (such as screens, tailwind, memento etc) is something that I've been testing too, however it is extremely match up reliant as you've said before. Scolipede is very passive and, since it lacks Spore or Taunt, there are many ways to shut it down. A Volt Switch user + a strong Special attacker (or just a Gardevoir / Specs Sylveon, seeing as they bypass Substitute with Hyper Voice) seems devastating because of the lack of screens, which means that Espeon will have to take a massive hit before it can even start to set up with Calm Mind. Sure you can try and save them for the late game, but it isn't always possible to do it (your opponent can also try to save their strong special attacker(s) just to shut down any bp attempt you may try). The core is also annoyed by a SD Scizor with Bug Bite. Scizor can set up alongside Scolipede and then it can just kill Espeon with Bug Bite + Bullet Punch, while surviving a +0 Stored Power.
I could see what you did with the remaing team slots. Landorus-t and Raikou are popular emergency checks to pratically everything (lando checks physical threats and Raikou checks special threats), Diancie is a nice scouter with protect and is usually a solid choice for offensive builds like this one. Being able to kill a non Natural Gift Talonflame is very good as well and it synergizes nicely with Breloom (playing mind games with your opponent's stealth rock user can prevent him from laying his hazards, which means it can keep your Breloom's and your Landorus' Sashes intact). Breloom can also shut down any dangerous offensive threat and can deal with Bisharp (kind of). So I guess your team could handle most threats as long as you outplay your opponent, but the Scolipass might fail due to the lack of screens (the lack of Light Screen really hurts).
About the match itself, I think that you played perfectly fine since you clearly had a match up advantage and Blunder team was just too passive. I just think he misplayed by not bringing Skarmory imediatally against Scolipede, so you managed to get more than just +2 Def +1 Spe. I'm not sure if Blunder's Excadrill had a Choice Scarf, but a Jolly Choice Scarf Excadrill could've outsped a +1 84 Spe Espeon (most people run no speed investment at all, but I can see you just copied my GeoPass spread, designed especifically to outspeed an Adamant Excadrill) and he could have tried to flinch / crit hax you to death with Iron Head.
edit: I've been told Blunder's Excadrill was specially defensive with Toxic, so he had an even higher chance to beat that Espeon
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I don't think the issue is speed passing per say. I think that some passers are simply far too efficient at passing boosts. At the moment, we have have baton passers capable of boosting faster then any setup sweeper in the game. The best way to nerf baton pass is not with more complex bans, but by recognizing that some BPers are far too powerful for the OU metagame and should be banned. Smeargle is an obvious candidate(because geomancy is dumb), and I still think Scoli should be looked at as well(defense + speed is incredibly potent).
So yeah, screw complex bans, just ban overpowered passers that have no real place in OU anyway.
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My 800th post has been used to reenter the BP debate yet again... how fitting....
This is the first OST I'm following and the least I can say is that it was not boring.
Congratulations to both players they both deserved the win but there can be only one winner so congratulations to the Queen.
Blunder you were a beast in those games but this is what you get for not bringing a heatah fajitah squad in finals
Respect for both players!
Congratulations to both players they both deserved the win but there can be only one winner so congratulations to the Queen.
Blunder you were a beast in those games but this is what you get for not bringing a heatah fajitah squad in finals
Respect for both players!
Yay WhiteQueen :D finally! congrats!!! ^_^
Also congrats BlackBloodz for winning predix!!
Also congrats BlackBloodz for winning predix!!
gratz, schatz
dont forget pttp for predicting WQ to win
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