Escape Button > Scarf if you want to try this out. Scarf does only one thing: "Oh no Entraintment, better switch out"(not a lot of people try to OHKO Durant for some reason, also Protect to scout it exists too...)
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Project The OU Underdog Project (Week 17: Gogoat)
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This week's Pokemon is Weezing!
Weezing suffers a lot of competition with like likes of Mega Venusaur, Dragalge, Tentacruel and Amoonguss as a bulky Poison type, however, it does have a few things going for it. The main one is very solid physical bulk, with acess to Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical attackers. It has acess to a decent support movepool featurijng Toxic Spikes, Taunt, Destiny Bond and Memento. It also doesn't have a secondary typing which, thanks to Levitate, gives it only one weakness to Psychic
Unfortunately, it sorely lacks reliable recovery, needing to use the unreliable Pain Split, Whiçle its physical defense is good, its special defense is rathar poor, which renders it unable to check Keldeo, one of the main Pokemon Poison-types are used to check in the first place. Its lackluster offenses also make it quite easy to switch into. So, do Weezing's qualities make up for its shortcomings?
Weezing suffers a lot of competition with like likes of Mega Venusaur, Dragalge, Tentacruel and Amoonguss as a bulky Poison type, however, it does have a few things going for it. The main one is very solid physical bulk, with acess to Will-O-Wisp to cripple physical attackers. It has acess to a decent support movepool featurijng Toxic Spikes, Taunt, Destiny Bond and Memento. It also doesn't have a secondary typing which, thanks to Levitate, gives it only one weakness to Psychic
Unfortunately, it sorely lacks reliable recovery, needing to use the unreliable Pain Split, Whiçle its physical defense is good, its special defense is rathar poor, which renders it unable to check Keldeo, one of the main Pokemon Poison-types are used to check in the first place. Its lackluster offenses also make it quite easy to switch into. So, do Weezing's qualities make up for its shortcomings?
Weezing has nice Defence but one of my issues with using it is that it has a pretty poor HP stat at base 95. It's not bad, definitely usable but it for a physical wall it takes too much from physical attacks
252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 122-146 (36.5 - 43.7%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 129-152 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 121-144 (36.2 - 43.1%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
None of these exactly 2hko but without reliable recovery damage easily stacks up and weezing ends up going down and ends up doing almost nothing other than maybe spreading a few burns/poisons.
That being said, against offensive teams Weezing can easily put in work, threatening physical threats like Lopunny with a burn, fire coverage for steel types like Scizor that might try to set up and potential poisons and/or clear smog to stop mons setting up. It is easily worn down due to lack of recovery though and Pain Split probably won't do much good vs offence unless you're already below 30%, at which point they can just kill you anyway.
Offensively, all it can do to prevent giving somewhat 'free' switchins to things like Keldeo, Manaphy, Thundurus, and other special attacking threats is status and a little bit of damage. Good good.
Overall, I wouldn't use Koffing in OU but if you did want to I'd recommend Wish/cleric support or maybe even a cool rest-talk set if you're real enough. Not a horrible mon yes.
On a scale of 1-10, 10 being something like Altaria, Keldeo and 1 being AM I'd rate Weezing around a 5
AM Edit: Too many memes
Lordly edit: Re-tagged :] also suggestions/ideas for next one: MAboma, Moltres, Yanmena, Zangoose, Xatu, Pangoro, Jennifer Lopez, Exploud, Chatot
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252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 122-146 (36.5 - 43.7%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 129-152 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 121-144 (36.2 - 43.1%) -- 97.4% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
None of these exactly 2hko but without reliable recovery damage easily stacks up and weezing ends up going down and ends up doing almost nothing other than maybe spreading a few burns/poisons.
Another issue with Weezing is typing your mom. Yes, with levitate it only has 1 weakness (bar mold breaker) but singular poison typing really doesn't have much going for it imo and things like Venu, Dragalge, Tenta can also switch into things like Keldeo, Gengar, Rotom-w if needed but Weezing can't. So Weezing compares pretty badly imo with other poison types because, as a wall, it isn't able to wall/switch in to enough.
That being said, against offensive teams Weezing can easily put in work, threatening physical threats like Lopunny with a burn, fire coverage for steel types like Scizor that might try to set up and potential poisons and/or clear smog to stop mons setting up. It is easily worn down due to lack of recovery though and Pain Split probably won't do much good vs offence unless you're already below 30%, at which point they can just kill you anyway.
Offensively, all it can do to prevent giving somewhat 'free' switchins to things like Keldeo, Manaphy, Thundurus, and other special attacking threats is status and a little bit of damage. Good good.
Overall, I wouldn't use Koffing in OU but if you did want to I'd recommend Wish/cleric support or maybe even a cool rest-talk set if you're real enough. Not a horrible mon yes.
On a scale of 1-10, 10 being something like Altaria, Keldeo and 1 being AM I'd rate Weezing around a 5
AM Edit: Too many memes
Lordly edit: Re-tagged :] also suggestions/ideas for next one: MAboma, Moltres, Yanmena, Zangoose, Xatu, Pangoro, Jennifer Lopez, Exploud, Chatot
Like my post, I need to look popular
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Weezing @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Toxic Spikes / Flamethrower
- Clear Smog
- Taunt / Pain Split / Flamethrower
I used Weezing a bit with this set (only tried Taunt because Clefable but Pain Split and Flamethrower are viable too) Weezing's physical bulk is great until you realise the lack of reliable recovery makes him very shaky at its job. Poison Type + Levitate is great because it gives you some very nice resistances that helps against many physical attackers and even some special attackers (MDiancie, Serperior) Flamethrower is great if you don't want to miss wisp in some crucial situations while it also helps against pokemon like SD Bisharp and SD Excadrill (for example you switch in against their SD, if you wisp them they wil still be able to ohko you next turn and +2 burned still hits like a truck against the rest of the team. Flamethrower doesn't OHKO, but with stuff like Spikes and LO Recoil combined, it is enough to put them on a timer (often only have 2 hits left) Taunt is nice to shut down pokemon like Clefable, Sylveon, Hippowdon and Chansey (12 Spe to outspeed Defensive TTar iirc) but is is very situational and both Pain Split and Flamethrower can be used over Taunt. 28 SpD to survive a +2 Leaf Storm from LO Serperior so you can Clear Smog away the boosts and do 30-35% damage. You are not giving up on much physical bulk here but the 50% chip damage (2x LO, 30% with Clear Smog) can be the difference between a priority killing Serperior and a Serperior killing your team. Pain Split is nice to have at least a little bit recovery without Black Sludge.
Another awesome thing about Weezing is that it is completely walled by Mega Sableye, which is really great (source: Mew). Charizard-Y and Heatran also get free switchin opportunities against Weezing while the only thing Weezing can do is lay Toxic Spikes while being forced out by a strong Fire Blast the next turn. Tentacruel and Dragalge also threaten Weezing 1v1 while resisting its attacking moves and they even can absorb the Toxic Spikes. Other pokemon that can switch in against Weezing without much problems: Alakazam, Charizard X, MGardevoir, Gengar, Gothitelle, Kyurem-B, Manaphy, Starmie, Thundurus, Tornadus-T, Victini, Volcarona and Reuniclus (probably much more but whatever). Weezing is an interesting pokemon as it checks dangerous pokemon like Rush Excadrill, Mega Altaria, Mega Lopunny and Clefable, but the lack of recovery and passiveness makes it really unreliable. Toxic Spikes and Will-O-Wisp are the only reasons why you should even consider using Weezing because it is the only way to punish switchins like Kyurem-B and Tornadus-T in the long run.
Conclusion: Weezing is probably one of the worst pokemon I have ever used on a serious OU team but it has a little niche as a fairy type check that can punish switchins with status.
Weezing @ Apicot Berry / Micle Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Atk / 64 SpA / 4 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Natural Gift
- Belch
- Fire Blast
- Explosion / Memento
Lure Weezing, also a means to use Belch on something. Normally Heatran walls Weezing to hell and back, probably hoping to get a Flash Fire boost from WoW. Well Natural Gift with Apicot Berry is a 100 BP Ground move and a guaranteed kill with SR on SpD Heatran. Afterwards, you'll be able to use Belch, a 120 BP Poison move with STAB, Fire Blast for the rest of the Steel types like Scizor and Ferrothorn. Finally, because this Weezing isn't meant to stick around, Explosion is perfectly suited for your final move slot to go out with a bang. Or, Memento to allow for something on your side to set up. Alternatively, Micle Berry can be used to lure in Talonflame or Charizard. SpD Talonflame in particular will chomp at the bit to come in on something it can easily Taunt and Roost off easy damage. Micle Berry gives you a 100 BP Rock move with Natural Gift, so it can also be used on expected Tornadus-T switch ins and other Flying types. HP EVs can be put into SpA or Spe to outpace certain threats. If you want to lure Talonflame over Heatran, a +SpA nature and more EV investment can help secure OHKOs on Azumaril, Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor for example. This Weezing is a pretty good partner for Dragon types with its ability to seriously hurt Steel and Fairy types.
This week's Pokemon is Registeel!
It's pretty easy to see Registeel as completely outclassed in OU, particulalry with the large number of very good Steel-types that are availible in OU. Its lack of offensive presence and coverage bounds it to defensive sets, and its lack of reliable recovery, forcing it to run Rest, and weakness to common types makes it an unreliable wall.
However, it has a few advantages over other Steel-types, its lack of a secondary typing can be seen as a blessing, since, unlike a lot of Steel types, it does not come with any 4x weaknesses. Furthermore, unlike its main competition, Jirachi, it isn't weak to Pursuit and therefore cannot be trapped by Bisharp. It also has access to Curse, which can potentailly let it sweep teams. So, is Registeel truly outclassed, or does it have a samll niche?
It's pretty easy to see Registeel as completely outclassed in OU, particulalry with the large number of very good Steel-types that are availible in OU. Its lack of offensive presence and coverage bounds it to defensive sets, and its lack of reliable recovery, forcing it to run Rest, and weakness to common types makes it an unreliable wall.
However, it has a few advantages over other Steel-types, its lack of a secondary typing can be seen as a blessing, since, unlike a lot of Steel types, it does not come with any 4x weaknesses. Furthermore, unlike its main competition, Jirachi, it isn't weak to Pursuit and therefore cannot be trapped by Bisharp. It also has access to Curse, which can potentailly let it sweep teams. So, is Registeel truly outclassed, or does it have a samll niche?
Registeel @ Leftovers
Clear Body
Adamant 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Df
- Gravity
- Bulldoze / Earthquake
- Iron Head / Dynamic Punch
- Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave
Gravity is an odd move that can potentially have devastating consequences. Gravity Registeel pairs well with offensive Ground and Fighting types as now Earthquake has no immunities. Similarly, evasion is lowered, actually making Dynamic Punch slightly more accurate than Stone Edge with a guaranteed chance of confusion. With Gravity in place very few mon resist Fighting and Ground coverage outside of like Gourgeist. Registeel is bulky enough to get off Gravity and Stealth Rock or Thunder Wave easily, and the extra turns from paralysis or confusion can yield numerous turns of free healing. Iron Head is also an option to further aid Fighting sweepers like Lopunny to take out Fairy types. Bulldoze is used as another means of lowering the enemy's speed outside Thunder Wave and hits everything after Gravity. If you choose to run at least two support moves, a Careful or Impish nature with more defensive may be a better spread to help the utility role.
This week's Pokemon is Gogoat!
Gogoat may seem completely outclassed by other Grass-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Venasur Celebi, and especially Tangrowth. However, it does have a few advantages over these Pokemon. Compared to Tangrowth, it has much higher special defense, unlike Celebi, it isn't weak to Dark and can take unstabbed U-Turns from the likes of Landorus-T relatively well, and unlike Venusaur and Ferrothorn, it resists Ground as opposed to being neutral to it. It also has access to Bulk Up, which enables it to act as a bulky setup sweeper. Finally, it has access to Milk Drink, which is better recovery than Synthesis thanks to its higher PP and ability to fuction in Sand and Sun. Are these advantages anough to make up for the fact that Gogoat recieves heavy competition and happens to be weak to recent metagame trends?
Gogoat may seem completely outclassed by other Grass-types such as Ferrothorn, Mega Venasur Celebi, and especially Tangrowth. However, it does have a few advantages over these Pokemon. Compared to Tangrowth, it has much higher special defense, unlike Celebi, it isn't weak to Dark and can take unstabbed U-Turns from the likes of Landorus-T relatively well, and unlike Venusaur and Ferrothorn, it resists Ground as opposed to being neutral to it. It also has access to Bulk Up, which enables it to act as a bulky setup sweeper. Finally, it has access to Milk Drink, which is better recovery than Synthesis thanks to its higher PP and ability to fuction in Sand and Sun. Are these advantages anough to make up for the fact that Gogoat recieves heavy competition and happens to be weak to recent metagame trends?
Ok, I'll start discussing Gogoat first.
Gogoat, a pokemon that somewhat got attention due to a certain famous someone getting swept by it for the lolz.
A certain Gogoat set got the spotlight in OU, being the Bulk Up set
Gogoat @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant OR Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Substitute OR Milk Drink
- Earthquake
Well first of all, one of Gogoat biggest niche in the metagame is Sap Sipper, allowing Gogoat to switch in to mainly Serperior's Leaf Storm. Serperior's Life Orb HP Fire can't even 2HKO Gogoat, and has a very low chance to break Gogoat's sub, allowing Gogoat to counter Serperior. That said there are other argueably better answers to Serperior rather then Gogoat lol.
As a Bulk Up sweeper, it can set up on some passive mons, such as Slowbro/Hippowdown and Clefable and with Substitute, it can set up on M-Sableye(after being Knock Offed) and Rotom-W with some speed investment, however its not a particularly great Bulk Up mon at all. First of all its
slow, making revenging Gogoat rather easy and making it very hard for Gogoat to actually sweep faster teams. It also posseses the pure Grass-typing and it is particularly known for being a rather bad typing defensively with many weaknesses. Offensively grass-typing is also not a very great typing and is easily walled by alot of pokemons with only having to rely on Horn Leech and Earthquake, such as by offensive mons like the Lati twins, Thundurus, Tornadus-T, Gengar, Charizard-Y, and alot of other mons. It is walled by alot of defensive mons, such as Venusaur, Skarmory, Scizor, Talonflame, etc. It is also heavily weak to status, with being Burned stripping its sweeping capability and Poisoned draining the capability of this mon altogether forcing it to run substitute. Without Milk Drink, its longetitivity suffers alot and takes away alot from its viablity as a mon.
Although all of this doesn't mean it cant sweep some unprepared teams!!!
The meta isn't friendly to Gogoat by any means, with the recent popularity in Weavile and Tornadus, as well as Skarmory, Talonflame and Scizor and other relevant mons, making it very hard for this goat to get a spotlight in the metagame. Opinion wise, there are just better setup sweeper in the game and honestly in my opinion this mon probably wont get any spotlight in a high level of competitive scene and is more of a joke/fun mon to run. Offensive Gogoat with a LifeOrb/Scarf/Band doesn't get any mention since its too weak and slow offensively.
Some showcase of Gogoats use are : http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-234878773 (A famous replay where Gogoat somehow sweeps lol)
<- Tom Bus showcases Gogoat in his youtube video
Also next time might wanna feature a more competitive mon!
Gogoat, a pokemon that somewhat got attention due to a certain famous someone getting swept by it for the lolz.
A certain Gogoat set got the spotlight in OU, being the Bulk Up set
Gogoat @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant OR Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Substitute OR Milk Drink
- Earthquake
Well first of all, one of Gogoat biggest niche in the metagame is Sap Sipper, allowing Gogoat to switch in to mainly Serperior's Leaf Storm. Serperior's Life Orb HP Fire can't even 2HKO Gogoat, and has a very low chance to break Gogoat's sub, allowing Gogoat to counter Serperior. That said there are other argueably better answers to Serperior rather then Gogoat lol.
As a Bulk Up sweeper, it can set up on some passive mons, such as Slowbro/Hippowdown and Clefable and with Substitute, it can set up on M-Sableye(after being Knock Offed) and Rotom-W with some speed investment, however its not a particularly great Bulk Up mon at all. First of all its
slow, making revenging Gogoat rather easy and making it very hard for Gogoat to actually sweep faster teams. It also posseses the pure Grass-typing and it is particularly known for being a rather bad typing defensively with many weaknesses. Offensively grass-typing is also not a very great typing and is easily walled by alot of pokemons with only having to rely on Horn Leech and Earthquake, such as by offensive mons like the Lati twins, Thundurus, Tornadus-T, Gengar, Charizard-Y, and alot of other mons. It is walled by alot of defensive mons, such as Venusaur, Skarmory, Scizor, Talonflame, etc. It is also heavily weak to status, with being Burned stripping its sweeping capability and Poisoned draining the capability of this mon altogether forcing it to run substitute. Without Milk Drink, its longetitivity suffers alot and takes away alot from its viablity as a mon.
Although all of this doesn't mean it cant sweep some unprepared teams!!!
The meta isn't friendly to Gogoat by any means, with the recent popularity in Weavile and Tornadus, as well as Skarmory, Talonflame and Scizor and other relevant mons, making it very hard for this goat to get a spotlight in the metagame. Opinion wise, there are just better setup sweeper in the game and honestly in my opinion this mon probably wont get any spotlight in a high level of competitive scene and is more of a joke/fun mon to run. Offensive Gogoat with a LifeOrb/Scarf/Band doesn't get any mention since its too weak and slow offensively.
Some showcase of Gogoats use are : http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-234878773 (A famous replay where Gogoat somehow sweeps lol)
Also next time might wanna feature a more competitive mon!
If you're using Sub, Rock Slide is an option over EQ to lure out birds like Talon, Zard and Torny-T for nice damage.Ok, I'll start discussing Gogoat first.
Gogoat, a pokemon that somewhat got attention due to a certain famous someone getting swept by it for the lolz.
A certain Gogoat set got the spotlight in OU, being the Bulk Up set
Gogoat @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant OR Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Horn Leech
- Substitute OR Milk Drink
- Earthquake
Well first of all, one of Gogoat biggest niche in the metagame is Sap Sipper, allowing Gogoat to switch in to mainly Serperior's Leaf Storm. Serperior's Life Orb HP Fire can't even 2HKO Gogoat, and has a very low chance to break Gogoat's sub, allowing Gogoat to counter Serperior. That said there are other argueably better answers to Serperior rather then Gogoat lol.
As a Bulk Up sweeper, it can set up on some passive mons, such as Slowbro/Hippowdown and Clefable and with Substitute, it can set up on M-Sableye(after being Knock Offed) and Rotom-W with some speed investment, however its not a particularly great Bulk Up mon at all. First of all its
slow, making revenging Gogoat rather easy and making it very hard for Gogoat to actually sweep faster teams. It also posseses the pure Grass-typing and it is particularly known for being a rather bad typing defensively with many weaknesses. Offensively grass-typing is also not a very great typing and is easily walled by alot of pokemons with only having to rely on Horn Leech and Earthquake, such as by offensive mons like the Lati twins, Thundurus, Tornadus-T, Gengar, Charizard-Y, and alot of other mons. It is walled by alot of defensive mons, such as Venusaur, Skarmory, Scizor, Talonflame, etc. It is also heavily weak to status, with being Burned stripping its sweeping capability and Poisoned draining the capability of this mon altogether forcing it to run substitute. Without Milk Drink, its longetitivity suffers alot and takes away alot from its viablity as a mon.
Although all of this doesn't mean it cant sweep some unprepared teams!!!
The meta isn't friendly to Gogoat by any means, with the recent popularity in Weavile and Tornadus, as well as Skarmory, Talonflame and Scizor and other relevant mons, making it very hard for this goat to get a spotlight in the metagame. Opinion wise, there are just better setup sweeper in the game and honestly in my opinion this mon probably wont get any spotlight in a high level of competitive scene and is more of a joke/fun mon to run. Offensive Gogoat with a LifeOrb/Scarf/Band doesn't get any mention since its too weak and slow offensively.
Some showcase of Gogoats use are : http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/oususpecttest-234878773 (A famous replay where Gogoat somehow sweeps lol)
<- Tom Bus showcases Gogoat in his youtube video
Also next time might wanna feature a more competitive mon!
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