Thanks Zt
Let's see if we can work something out:
Meditate: Inclined to fiat df44's proposal. Although I would include like doubling the attack boost from meditate or having it boost SpA too, since 2/3 of the attacks are special (and the other is force palm -_-), which means that the end-result is...well it sucks. Also, is there any other ki-based move other than the ones listed by dogfish?
Stall: uh. TBH I didn't catch the discussion much. Seems like a matter of semantics (affects priority or has a totally different effect alltogether?) and a matter of semantics is better dealt with by ruling/fiat than a voting. Although I don't have any opinion regarding the matter.
Fling: I'd like to fiat it at 2EN. Mostly because we changed splash not too long ago to have the niche role of being the only 1en move. While losing the item is bad, having Fling cost 1en too will outclass splash on its sole purpose. While it wouldn't affect the metagame in the slightest, I guess I feel bad for splash? Either way, if any disagrees let me know I will set up a voting.
Illusion mons and equipping: Worth moving to the discussion simply because it deviates from in-game. While I agree with Emma, we should probably know well when we are creating exceptions to the follow ingame rule, warranting discussions.
Dawn Stone: Fiated.
Combo with phazes: The ruling was given yeah, but it was brought up a need for a change. Could use a discussion.
Spider Web: Am I the only one that doesn't mind Spider Web as it is? Sure, the anti-contact thinge may be a tad overpowered, but I don't mind everything else. Although IMO the cutting/burning down part only makes sense if we keep the anti-contact thinge (and vice versa). If we remove the anti-contact, it would just be a mean look with weaknesses (and with shitty combos <_<). Since there are a lot of factors involved (ingame effect, extra effects, extra combo effects etc), I would much rather have a discussion on this than fiating so many changes (while on meditate and fling, we just changed one thing about the move, not the entire thing -_-).
Gonna do the discussions on Illusion, combo and spider web. Discuss/Object to the others.
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Also, something else: Reffing. While I don't think it is justifiable to change UC payment rules again (seriously, don't mention it), we are suffering from a severe ref shortage. Personally I feel that we always had that, but now we are suffering also from the lack of that one insane dude (akela, me, orcinus, avnomke, viraj and other examples) that picked dozens of matches to ref. Since insanity is unreliable, we may want to discuss the matter and find solutions other than bitching at me for taking long to white-list people -_-. What do you guys think about it?