If it's decided that there should be a sleep clause, what's the plan for enforcing it? If someone forgets and accidentally puts 2 mons to sleep are they disqualified for that? Are people forced to play on a non-main server where there would be a sleep clause?The DLC Council is officially suspecting Sleep Clause
One of the tiers biggest problems at the moment is Sleep Clause, (or the lack thereof) as there are very few counters to sleep, and is the only reason why Yanma is banned from the tier. The meta has very few viable grass types, and it is much harder to run safety goggles on many mons, as most would rather want to run Eviolite for prolonged bulk, or berry juice for instant recovery. The two main sleep abusers, Foongus and Bellsprout, while being easily counterable, can both make battling with their respective sleep moves uncompetitive and very annoying to play against. The former, foongus, can make battling against trick room a pain as it underspeeds wallbreakers such as Meditite or Murkrow under it, and can put both to sleep. The latter, Bellsprout, outspeeds 20 speed mons under sun and can put every major sun check in the tier to sleep, these including mons such as gligar, snover, and murkrow. Although the majority of protect and sub users increases much from regular LC, sleep is a major problem as some games are dictated by how the player uses and abuses sleep.
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I mean as it stands the meta itself already functions on a "gentleman's agreement" of sorts since we can't really enforce people being at level 5. There's a similar issue with almost every other meta, since you can theoretically forget about agility and baton pass in ADV for example. It does rely on people obeying the rules, but then again DLC in general relies on that.
There's a pretty big difference between a teambuilding error and one that happens in the middle of the game. It's easier to catch a teambuilding error and you aren't punished for momentarily forgetting something in the heat of a game. Someone could get dq'd just for missclicking in a game. Additionally, you don't always know if you're breaking the clause. What if you put a Staryu to sleep and it switches out? You don't know if it's Natural Cure or Analytic and you don't know if you're allowed to put something to sleep.
While it's certainly not ideal, there's not a whole lot of options. Sleeping multiple things is an issue at the moment, and we can't just ban the most broken sleep users since that's several mons with an extra layer of collateral (it essentially makes sun a significantly less viable playstyle). If you do have a better idea for implementation I would be more than thrilled to hear it.
Having actual sleep clause is way way better than disqualifying. If I want to use a sleep move on a slot that is already asleep but could wake up this turn then I should be able to do that without having to fear losing if they switch that pokemon out.
That's absolutely true, and why if at all possible we want a place where we can do doubles with sleep clause on. However there isn't any sort of battle format like that on the main server atm, so we either need to have another server host a metagame like that or convince one of the PS people to add a doubles with sleep clause format.
lol so I got told that seel server is dead, who'da thunk it
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I'm pretty sure Snaquaza would be happy to host this on his server, aqua.psim.us if you asked him. I highly doubt you'd be able to get it on main though, unfortunately.
I have a lot of Doubles OMs on my server, Aqua, already. It'd be good if someone could test their banlists and such though.
