Stunfisk: Hmmm I like it, I really can't tell how good it'll be because I am unsure of how bulky it is in comparison with the attackers of OU but it could be pretty neat to have something that can absorb a physical attack and get a haxed paralysis for free multiple times in a match. I'll have to look for the arguments for it and run some numbers to make a decision on it.
Poliwrath: So pretty much a better quagsire on the bulk and even SpA side but with a different typing. Idk what this covers that Quag doesn't though, it gains electric, psychic, fairy and flying weakness in exchange for dark and water resist and only 2x Grass weakness. That's honestly really bad, I guess it's Offensive pressure is better but idk seems really bad tbh.
Malamar: Ha, this is neat. So you throw this in as a catch to when your opponents sweeper is out of control but besides that it is pretty lack luster from what I can tell. Would it be the first Prankster to have a sleep inducer? That could be cool although Hypnosis accuracy is balls. I feel like this mon could use some way to abuse contrary instead of a new ability but I haven't been able to find something that'd do it well so this could be a step in the right direction. I feel it needs some move added onto Prankster though. Thunder Wave? Tell me if there's something I'm missing that it can abuse with Prankster though.
Vaporeon: NO. I refuse this on flavor alone, you can't mess with the sacred eeveelution typing wtf. Fine I'll analyze it, it's good as fuck. There I said it, but don't do it. A fairy with scald is pretty gnarly. We all know how good this typing is defensively, on an actual defensive-oriented mon this'll make this guy top tier, no question to me. He absolutely shits on rain too.
Edit: Ok I read more arguments and stuff.
It seems like people think Stunfisk will be able to tank a lot of stuff so that gives it points in my book! I also like how it can block opposing Volt Switch that's pretty cool.
Malamar seems more interesting to me, didn't understand how Power Split worked before so that seems pretty neat. The mindgames you can play do seem interesting but it seems like it'll be pretty hard to pull off so it might be gimmicky. People have been saying how this forces hard switches and sure that's the case but what does Malamar threaten after the hard switch lol. Getting a switch is cool and all but a lot of mons do that just by coming in and tanking a hit lol.
Poliwrath getting circle throw and being able to tank stuff like manaphy's energy ball makes it more interesting to me now. I do think people are overselling it still though because one of the main draws of the two current unaware users in Clefable and Quagsire currently are that they do not have many type weaknesses. Type weakness gives the ability to bop the mon before it gets rolling, and not being able to stop setup sweepers like Talonflame or Clefable kinda stinks.
I like that others are upset at Vaporeon getting another typing as well haha but I am surprised at people thinking it won't be that good, Water-Fairy defensively is really fucking good. Sure it keeps the same set but just by having that typing it threatens more things. It doesn't have to use Moonblast but it never hurts to be able to have coverage on Fighting, Dragon, Dark. I still think it is much better than people are giving it credit for.
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