Ludicolo

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[OVERVIEW]

Ludicolo is the definition a of Rain Dance sweeper in the NU tier. With access to Swift Swim, which doubles its Speed under rain, it can easily sweep teams late-game, especially offensive ones, which tend to be more fragile. On top of that, Ludicolo sports an amazing secondary typing in Grass, which greatly helps it deal with other Water-types that could switch into it, like Lanturn, Poliwrath, and Prinplup. Finally, its good special bulk coupled with a decent defensive typing means that it can also act as a soft check to some Pokemon and even set up Rain Dance on them, including Steelix, special Sceptile, and Samurott lacking Megahorn. Unfortunately, while Ludicolo is incredibly fast under rain, in a weatherless situation, it can only dream of outspeeding common threats due to it sitting in a bad Speed tier for an offensive Pokemon, Ludicolo might have trouble setting up Rain Dance against offensively inclined teams, usually relying on support given by its teammates to work properly. As if that weren't already bad enough, it struggles to get past common Pokemon such as Mantine, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow, with the first two not minding Ludicolo's assaults at all and the latter even being able to cancel rain.

[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump is Ludicolo's main STAB option and receives a strong power boost if rain is on the field; alternatively, Surf offers a more accurate, yet weaker, Water-type STAB move that shines against offensive teams, which often rely on Ludicolo missing its move, but running it comes at the cost of missing important benchmarks, like the 2HKO on Assault Vest Hariyama after Stealth Rock under rain. Giga Drain is Ludicolo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to deal super effective damage against bulky Water-types that could switch in on Hydro Pump, as well as Pokemon immune to Water thanks to abilities like Water Absorb, Dry Skin, and Storm Drain, while recovering its HP in the process, which greatly helps it last longer. Ice Beam pairs nicely with Ludicolo's STAB moves, hitting Grass- and Dragon-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Altaria super effectively. Rain Dance turns Ludicolo into a fearsome sweeper, doubling its Speed and boosting Hydro Pump's Base Power. If Rain Dance support is already offered by another teammate, Ludicolo can opt for Focus Blast, an amazing coverage move that helps it deal with common checks to rain teams, such as Abomasnow, Ferroseed, and Cradily.

Set Details
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Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment augments Ludicolo's offensive prowess, helping it deal as much damage as possible while outspeeding the majority of the tier. A Modest nature coupled with Life Orb further boosts Ludicolo's damage output, increasing its sweeping capabilities. Timid is an option over Modest, allowing Ludicolo to outspeed Choice Scarf Scyther in rain, Swift Swim Kabutops, and every neutral-natured base 70 Speed Pokemon, most notably Swords Dance Samurott.

Usage Tips
========

Thanks to its typing and special bulk, Ludicolo can easily use the likes of special Sceptile, Steelix (though it must watch out for Toxic), Samurott without Megahorn, and Xatu and Lanturn, both without Thunder Wave, to set up Rain Dance, but take care not to use it too early, as Ludicolo needs the opposing team to be properly weakened before attempting a sweep. The fact that it also needs a free turn to use Rain Dance before turning into a fearsome sweeper means that Ludicolo has to be healthy, so playing conservatively with it early- and mid-game is a good idea, especially by trying not to "force" a sweep too early: even if there are still a couple of rain turns on the field, switching it out is wise if the opposing Pokemon poses a threat by being able to tank a hit and cripple Ludicolo. That doesn't mean that you can't make use of its offensive power, though, as even without rain Ludicolo can threaten the opposing team with its Water, Grass, and Ice coverage, firing off powerful hits to weaken its checks, paving the way for a sweep later.

Team Options
========

Pokemon that can deal with the likes of Mantine and bulky Grass-types are needed to help Ludicolo succeed. Rotom and Rotom-S are great for this job, with both being able to hit Mantine super effectively and the latter also being able to use Air Slash to hit Grass-types. Fire-types, while at first seeming contradictory when paired with a Rain Dance user, actually make for nice partners. They can take on annoying Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Ferroseed while soft checking the annoying Abomasnow and letting Ludicolo deal with Water-types, helping each other achieve the goal of sweeping the opposing team. Mixed Abomasnow presents itself as a great option to take out both Grass-types and generally bulky Pokemon that could take on Ludicolo, like Mantine and Mega Audino.

Pokemon that directly benefit from Rain Dance also are good teammates. Other Swift Swim sweepers, especially Kabutops, can take advantage of Ludicolo's rain to break through the opponent's team, forming a scary core of incredibly fast Pokemon with a strong, boosted STAB type. In terms of supporters, dedicated Rain Dance setters like Liepard and Mesprit can help Ludicolo by giving it rain without having to risk finding free turns to do so. On top of that, the rain setter will often carry Damp Rock, giving even more turns for Ludicolo to attempt to sweep.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A specially defensive set is an option if your team needs an overall good check for specially offensive Grass-, Fire-, and Water-types. With access to disruptive moves such as Scald, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Substitute, Toxic, and Knock Off, Ludicolo can easily annoy the opposing team, spreading status and removing items. Choice Scarf is a good alternative item for Ludicolo, letting it outspeed the likes of Sceptile and Swellow, making it an immediate threat against offensive teams, while also pairing very well with teammates that can deal passive damage to the opposing team through the match, such as Garbodor and Ferroseed, weakening the foe enough to help Ludicolo clean up.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Pokemon Immune to Water**: With Hydro Pump being Ludicolo's strongest move, it's no wonder that foes immune to it pose a problem. The likes of Mantine, Cacturne, Jynx, and Cradily can stop Ludicolo from spamming its Water-type STAB move thanks to their access to Water Absorb, Dry Skin, or Storm Drain. From there, the foe can answer accordingly by either threatening Ludicolo offensively in Jynx's and Cacturne's cases or poisoning it in Mantine's and Cradily's cases.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Even though Ludicolo has Ice Beam, it won't always get past bulky Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow. The first two can stomach Ice Beam and hit back with Sludge Bomb, Ferroseed can take any hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, and Abomasnow makes use of Snow Warning to summon hail, completely erasing rain from the field, and can threaten Ludicolo with a strong Blizzard or Wood Hammer.

**Revenge Killers**: Revenge killing Ludicolo isn't exactly an easy task, but some Pokemon can do it handily: Choice Scarf Scyther and Swift Swim Kabutops are able to outspeed a neutral-natured Ludicolo even with rain on the field, while priority users such as Shiftry, Skuntank, and Kangaskhan take advantage of Ludicolo's bad Defense by hitting with a strong Sucker Punch or Fake Out.

**Bulky Pokemon**: Even though nothing neutral to Water enjoys taking a rain-boosted Hydro Pump, some bulky Pokemon can tank one hit and handle Ludicolo appropriately. Mega Audino can use the combination of Wish and Protect to stall out rain turns, Malamar can remove Ludicolo's Life Orb and greatly decrease its damage output, Scyther can hit back with a super effective Aerial Ace or U-turn, and Articuno can promptly OHKO Ludicolo with Freeze-Dry.
 
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Overview
  • One of the greatest Rain Dance sweepers, being able to clean teams easily on late-game.
I don't like how this is worded, because Ludicolo is the only self setting rain sweeper in the tier, and it has no competition for that role. It is a very threatening sweeper in that regard, but its not better than any other mon at this role. I also don't think that Ludicolo is a very good Lilligant check since it takes quite a bit from +1 Giga Drain and can't OHKO back with Ice Beam, its just not a great matchup in its favor.
  • The recent metagame shifts are being particularly rough for Ludicolo with the introduction of Snow Warning Abomasnow and the rise in usage of Mantine, coupled with the ever so popular Hariyama.
Analyses are not time sensitive, and should not include phrases such as "metagame shifts" or "rise in usage of". What you can do is you can simply state that Ludicolo struggles to break past common Pokemon such as "..."

Moves

Mention a few Water-types which Giga Drain targets.

In the line about Ice Beam list some examples of Pokemon which Ice Beam targets. Don't think I need to help you out with finding examples, but its just general protocol for non-STAB coverage moves to be fully explained as to why they are chosen.

Set Details

Add a sentence talking about Swift Swim and simply stating what the ability does.

Team Options

If you're mentioning Rotom-N, might as well mention Rotom-S because it breaks past / threatens both Hariyama and Mantine, Ludicolo's most common checks.

Mixed Abomasnow doesn't really break past Ferroseed unless it's running Focus Blast, so if that's what you meant specify it.
  • Dedicated rain setters (Volbeat, Mesprit, Liepard): By using a dedicated Rain setter, you can free one slot on Ludicolo’s moveset for a coverage move like Focus Blast (hitting Abomasnow and Ferroseed) or Hidden Power Electric (dealing with Mantine), while also giving him more turns to sweep thanks to Damp Rock.
This line kinda contradicts with the fact that Focus Blast and Hidden Power Electric are in Other Options and not in moves, so either move up Focus Blast & HP Electric to moves or remove them from this line.

Checks and Counters
**Abomasnow**: The recently introduced Abomasnow...
Again, no time sensitive wording so change this up. I'd rather Abomasnow be lumped together with other Grass-types than have its own section, it is neutral to Ice Beam but so is Ferroseed so its not really that unique in how it checks Ludicolo.
On that note, be sure to add in Roselia to the Grass-types section as it is much better at handling Ludicolo than Vileplume thanks to its excellent special bulk.

I'd like to see a section for revenge killers added, and here's what I think it should include: Kabutops, Scarf Scyther, Kangaskhan, Shiftry, and Skuntank. Give one sentence to Kabutops and Scarf Scyther since they actually outspeed non-Timid Ludicolo in the rain, while the others revenge kill by the use of powerful priority.

The section for "WishTect Walls" is rather puzzling. Mega Audino is the only Pokemon which uses Wish effectively in the tier, but I think this section should be renamed to "Bulky Pokemon". In addition to Mega Audino, other generally specially bulky Pokemon that can live one hit and retaliate such as Malamar, a healthy Eviolite Scyther, Musharna, and Articuno should all be mentioned here. Be sure to state what each of these Pokemon does back to Ludicolo, whether it be removing it's item in Malamar's case, Scyther and Articuno OHKOing with their STAB moves, or Musharna threatening with Thunder Wave.

I'd also consider grouping Mantine and Jynx together, and call the section "Pokemon immune to Water" and you could also mention Cacturne and Cradily there as well.

Good work for your first go at this, after you've made these changes QC 1/3
 

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Finished editing all of bolts suggestions. There might probably be an error here and there, so anyone feel free to warn me so I can fix it n_n Also, talked to bolts and we decided not to put Musharna under checks, since rain decreases Moonlight recovery, but if you guys think it's still worth mentioning because of Thunder Wave I'll edit it again to include our favorite pink blob.
 

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All references to "him" or "his" should be changed to "it" or "it's", etc, as Ludicolo's gender is random.

In the Overview, mention that Ludicolo's Grass STAB is one of its best attributes, as it lets Ludicolo plow through other Water-types that might be troublesome for Rain teammates such as Kabutops to deal with, such as Quagsire, Poliwrath, and Lanturn.

Mention that Surf can be used over Hydro Pump if you don't want to miss, but it misses out on things like 2HKOing AV Hariyama after SR in Rain. The extra consistency of Surf is generally more useful against offensive teams, and if you have a wallbreaking teammate like Samurott to deal with bulky stuff.

In Other Options, mention that the all-out-attacking set with Focus Blast or Hidden Power Electric is still most effective with Rain support, it's just that generally Rain teams appreciate the backup setup capability that Ludicolo gets due to its decent bulk and resistances. Mention that Hidden Power Electric is used to hit Mantine, and mention that Hidden Power Fire is generally inferior to Focus Blast because you're more likely to be in Rain than not, which makes the lower accuracy of Focus Blast the less worrying drawback.

Is Hariyama really a good check? As said before, Hydro Pump in the Rain 2HKOes, meaning it can't switch in, and if takes a Hydro Pump to the face, it's too weak to tank anything else unless it gets a Wish passed to it. Personally I would get rid of this.

Other than that, QC 2/3
 

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Just so people don't think I gave up on this, I'll be writing it up today and tomorrow, and will probably post it tomorrow night. I had a couple busy days, but now I'm relatively free n_n
 
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Overview

Remove the bit referring to Gen V; an overview doesn't need to reference its performance in past gens, only focus on the current metagame. I wouldn't say it's Grass-typing helps with Mantine at all considering Ludicolo cannot 2HKO, is weak to Air Slash, and gets heavily worn down by Toxic. Add in a line saying how it tends to struggle getting a Rain Dance up when pinned against offensive teams, which can make it depend on getting support from teammates.

Moves

Move up Focus Blast to a moves mention; hitting Ferroseed and Abomasnow (hits the rare Cradlily too) are huge for rain teams when it's paired alongside Kabutops and if you already have two dedicated Rain Dance users, it can be used on Ludicolo's last slot so it doesn't miss out on any coverage.

Set Details

Don't mention Surf as an alternative to Hydro Pump here, that belongs in the moves section instead.

Usage Tips

You should note that setting up Rain Dance against Steelix comes with the risk being hit by Toxic. Also add in a line saying that Ludicolo should also just throw out attacks instead of Rain Dance during the earlier stages of the game, that way it wears down its checks so it can sweep through teams later.

Team Options

Add in that Fire-types also act as a nice soft check to Abomasnow, which can prematurely end Ludicolo's sweep at any given point. Give some examples of dedicated Rain Dance users here such as Mesprit and Liepard.

Other Options

Remove the line when referring to an All-Out attacker set, as with two dedicated setters, it still can be viable option given that it lets Ludicolo run another coverage move. Add in Choice Scarf here, as it has good typing, can revenge Sceptile and other things without the need for Rain Dance making it more immediately threatening to offensive teams, and pairs very well with with 'Mons that chip the foe such as Garbodor; credit goes to soulgazer on this suggestion.

3/3
 

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All changes suggested by Hootie were implemented. This is now ready for GP n_n
 
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[Commentary]


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Ludicolo is the definition of a Rain Dance sweeper in the NU tier. With access to Swift Swim, which doubles its speed Speed under rain, it can easily sweep teams on late-game, especially offensive ones whom tends to be more fragile. On top of that, Ludicolo sports an amazing secondary typing in Grass, which greatly helps it dealing deal with other Water-types that could switch in, like Lanturn, Poliwrath, and Prinplup. Last but not least, its good special bulk coupled with a not bad defensive typing means that it can also act as a soft check to some Pokemon and even setup set up Rain Dance on them[,][.] with These Pokemon include, but are not limited to: Steelix, special Sceptile, and Samurott lacking Megahorn being prime examples. Unfortunately, Ludicolo also has its cons: while it is incredibly fast under rain, in a weatherless situation it can only dream in of outspeeding common threats thanks to it sitting in a bad speed tier for such an offensive Pokemon[,][.] also meaning that he Ludicolo might have trouble setting up Rain Dance against offensively inclined teams, usually depending on support given by its teammates to work properly. As if that wasn't already bad enough, it struggles to get past frequently seen Pokemon[,] such as Mantine, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow, with the first two not minding Ludicolo's assaults at all and the latter even being able to cancel rain.

[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance / Focus Blast
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump is its main STAB option, which also receives a more than welcome boost if rain is on the field; meanwhile, Surf might be an option over Hydro Pump, offering a more accurate[,] yet weaker[,] Water STAB that shines against offensive teams whom often relies rely on Ludicolo missing its move, but that comes at the cost of missing important benchmarks, like the 2HKO on Assault Vest Hariyama after Stealth Rocks in rain. Giga Drain is its secondary STAB, allowing Ludicolo to super effectively hit bulky Water-types that could switch in on Hydro Pump, Pokemon immune to Water thanks to abilities like Water Absorb, Dry Skin, or Storm Drain, all that while recovering its HP which greatly helps it lasting last longer. Ice Beam pairs nicely with Ludicolo's STABs, hitting on Grass- and Dragon-types super effectively, such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Altaria. Rain Dance is the move that turns it into a fearsome sweeper, doubling its speed Speed and boosting Hydro Pump's Base Power. If Rain Dance support is already offered by another teammate, Ludicolo can opt for Focus Blast, an amazing coverage move that helps him dealing deal with common checks for rain teams, such as Abomasnow, Ferroseed, and Cradily[.]

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment augments Ludicolo's offensive prowess, helping him deal as many much damage as possible, all while outspeeding the majority of the tier. A Modest nature coupled with Life Orb further boosts his damage output, increasing his sweeping capabilities. Timid is an option over Modest, allowing Ludicolo to outspeed Choice Scarf Scyther in rain, Swift Swim Kabutops, and every mon Pokemon sitting in the neutral nature Base 70 speed tier, with Swords Dance Samurott being the best example.

Usage Tips
========

Thanks to his typing and special bulk, Ludicolo can easily use the likes of specially based Sceptile, Steelix (be aware of Toxic!), Megahornless Samurott without Megahorn, and Thunder Wave-less Xatu without Thunder Wave, and Lanturn to set up Rain Dance, but take care not to use it too early, as Ludicolo needs the opposing team to be properly weakened before trying to attempt a sweep. The fact that it also needs a free turn to use Rain Dance before turning into a fearsome sweeper means that Ludicolo has to be healthy, so playing conservatively with it on early- and mid-game is a good idea, especially by trying to not "force" a sweep too early: even if there are still a couple of rain turns on the field, switching it out is wise if the opposing Pokemon poses a threat by being able to tank a hit and cripple Ludicolo. That doesn't mean that you can't make use of its offensive power, though, as even without rain Ludicolo can threaten the opposing team with its Water, Grass, and Ice coverage, firing off powerful hits to weaken its checks, paving the way for a to [Not sure if "sweep" is acceptable as a noun or a verb, but either way the phrase "to sweep" sounds better to me. If it is acceptable as "a sweep", then I apologize. n_n] sweep later.

Team Options
========

Pokemon that can deal with the likes of Mantine and bulky Grass-types are a need to help Ludicolo succeed. Rotom and Rotom-S are great on for this job, with both being able to hit on Mantine super effectively, while the latter also being able to use Air Slash to also hit Grass-types. Fire-types, while at first seeming contradictory when paired with a Rain Dance user, actually make a nice partner[:][.] they They can take on annoying Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Ferroseed, while and soft checking the annoying Abomasnow, while and letting Ludicolo deal with Water-types, helping each other achieve the goal of sweeping the opponent. As for another wallbreaker able to deal with Ludicolo's checks, mixed Abomasnow presents itself as a great option to take out both Grass-types and generally bulky Pokemon that could be taking on our beloved rain sweeper, like Mantine and Mega Audino.

Pokemon directly related to Rain Dance also are good teammates[:] other[.] Other Swift Swim sweepers, especially Kabutops, can take advantage of Ludicolo's rain to break through the opponent opponent's team, forming a scary core of incredibly fast Pokemon with a strong, boosted STAB. Lying in the supportive side of the spectrum, dedicated Rain Dance setters[,] like Liepard and Mesprit[,] can help Ludicolo by giving him rain without having to risk itself finding free turns to do so. On top of that, the rain setter will often carry the item Damp Rock, giving even more turns for Ludicolo to attempt a to sweep.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A specially defensive set is an option if your team needs an overall good check for specially offensive Grass-, Fire-[,] and Water-types. With access to disruptive moves such as Scald, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Substitute, Toxic, and Knock Off, it can easily annoy the opposing team, crippling it by spreading status and knocking off items. Choice Scarf is a good alternative set for Ludicolo, letting it outspeed the likes of Sceptile and Swellow, making it an immediate threat against offensive teams, while also pairing very well with teammates that can do passive damage to the opponent through the match, such as Garbodor and Ferroseed, weakening the foe enough to help Ludicolo clean.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Pokemon immune to Water**: With Hydro Pump being Ludicolo’s strongest move, it’s no wonder that things immune to it pose a problem to this Pokemon. The likes of Mantine, Cacturne, Jynx, and Cradily can stop Ludicolo from just spamming its Water STAB thanks to their access to Water Absorb, Dry Skin[,] or Storm Drain[,][.] and from From there your opponent can answer accordingly by either threatening Ludicolo offensively (Jynx and Cacturne) or poisoning it (Mantine and Cradily).

**Bulky Grass-types**: Even though Ludicolo has Ice Beam, it doesn’t mean he will always get past bulky Grass-types. Vileplume, Roselia, Ferroseed[,] and Abomasnow are prime examples of it: the first two can stomach a super effective Ice Beam and hit back with a Sludge Bomb, Ferroseed can take any hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, while Abomasnow makes use of its ability Snow Warning to summon hail, completely erasing rain from the field and threatening with a strong Blizzard or Wood Hammer.

**Revenge Killers**: Even though revenge killing Ludicolo isn't exactly an easy task, some Pokemon can do it handily: Choice Scarf Scyther and Swift Swim Kabutops are able to outspeed a neutral Speed Ludicolo even with rain on the field, while priority users such as Shiftry, Skuntank, and Kangaskhan take advantage of Ludicolo's bad Defense by hitting with a strong Sucker Punch or Fake Out.

**Bulky Pokemon**: Even though nothing enjoys taking a rain boosted neutral Hydro Pump, some bulky Pokemon can tank one hit and handle Ludicolo appropriately: Mega Audino can use the combination of Wish and Protect to stall out rain turns, Malamar can Knock Off Ludicolo’s Life Orb and greatly decrease its damage, Scyther can hit back with a super effective Aerial Ace or U-Turn, and Articuno can promptly OHKO Ludicolo with Freeze-Dry.
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Good luck with your analysis! ^~^
 

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Ludicolo is the definition of a Rain Dance sweeper in the NU tier. With access to Swift Swim, which doubles its speed Speed under rain, it can easily sweep teams on late-game, especially offensive ones, which whom tends to be more fragile. On top of that, Ludicolo sports an amazing secondary typing in Grass, which greatly helps it dealing deal with other Water-types that could switch into it, like Lanturn, Poliwrath, and Prinplup. Last but not least Finally, its good special bulk coupled with a not bad decent defensive typing means that it can also act as a soft check to some Pokemon and even setup set up Rain Dance on them, including with Steelix, special Sceptile, and Samurott lacking Megahorn being prime examples. Unfortunately, Ludicolo also has its cons: while it Ludicolo is incredibly fast under rain, in a weatherless situation, (AC) it can only dream in of outspeeding common threats thanks due to it sitting in a bad speed Speed tier for such an offensive Pokemon[,][.] also meaning that he Ludicolo might have trouble setting up Rain Dance against offensively inclined teams, usually depending relying (subjective) on support given by its teammates to work properly. As if that wasn't already bad enough, it struggles to get past frequently seen common Pokemon[,] such as Mantine, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow, with the first two not minding Ludicolo's assaults at all and the latter even being able to cancel rain.

[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance / Focus Blast
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump is its Ludicolo's main STAB option, which also and receives a more than welcome strong power boost if rain is on the field; meanwhile alternatively, Surf might be an option over Hydro Pump, offering a more accurate[,] yet weaker[,] (no, the commas are correct) Water-type STAB move that shines against offensive teams, which whom often relies rely on Ludicolo missing its move, but that comes at the cost of missing important benchmarks, like the 2HKO on Assault Vest Hariyama after Stealth Rocks in under rain. Giga Drain is its Ludicolo's secondary STAB move, allowing Ludicolo it to deal super effectively hit damage bulky Water-types that could switch in on Hydro Pump, as well as Pokemon immune to Water thanks to abilities like Water Absorb, Dry Skin, or and Storm Drain, all that while recovering its HP in the process, which greatly helps it lasting last longer. Ice Beam pairs nicely with Ludicolo's STAB movess, hitting on Grass- and Dragon-types super effectively, such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Altaria super effectively. Rain Dance is the move that turns it Ludicolo into a fearsome sweeper, doubling its speed Speed and boosting Hydro Pump's Base Power. If Rain Dance support is already offered by another teammate, Ludicolo can opt for Focus Blast, an amazing coverage move that helps him dealing it deal with common checks for to rain teams, such as Abomasnow, Ferroseed, and Cradily[.]

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment augments Ludicolo's offensive prowess, helping him it deal as many much damage as possible, all while outspeeding the majority of the tier. A Modest nature coupled with Life Orb further boosts his Ludicolo's damage output, increasing his its sweeping capabilities. Timid is an option over Modest, allowing Ludicolo to outspeed Choice Scarf Scyther in rain, Swift Swim Kabutops, and every mon sitting in the neutral-(AH)natured base Base 70 speed tier Speed Pokemon, with most notably Swords Dance Samurott being the best example.

Usage Tips
========

Thanks to his its typing and special bulk, Ludicolo can easily use the likes of specially based Sceptile, Steelix (though it must watch out for Toxic) (be aware of Toxic!), Megahornless Samurott without Megahorn, and Thunder Wave-less Xatu without Thunder Wave, and Lanturn to set up Rain Dance, but take care not to use it too early, as Ludicolo needs the opposing team to be properly weakened before trying to attempt a sweep. The fact that it also needs a free turn to use Rain Dance before turning into a fearsome sweeper means that Ludicolo has to be healthy, so playing conservatively with it on early- and mid-game is a good idea, especially by trying to not "force" a sweep too early: even if there are still a couple of rain turns on the field, switching it out is wise if the opposing Pokemon poses a threat by being able to tank a hit and cripple Ludicolo. That doesn't mean that you can't make use of its offensive power, though, as even without rain, (AC) Ludicolo can threaten the opposing team with its Water, Grass, and Ice coverage, firing off powerful hits to weaken its checks, paving the way for a to [Not sure if "sweep" is acceptable as a noun or a verb, but either way the phrase "to sweep" sounds better to me. If it is acceptable as "a sweep", then I apologize. n_n] (yeah, "a sweep" is just fine) sweep later.

Team Options
========

Pokemon that can deal with the likes of Mantine and bulky Grass-types are a needed to help Ludicolo succeed. Rotom and Rotom-S are great on for this job, with both being able to hit on Mantine super effectively, while and the latter also being able to use Air Slash to also hit Grass-types. Fire-types, while at first seeming contradictory when paired with a Rain Dance user, actually make for a nice partners[:][.] they They can take on annoying Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Ferroseed, while and soft checking the annoying Abomasnow, (RC) while and letting Ludicolo deal with Water-types, helping each other achieve the goal of sweeping the opponent opposing team. As for another wallbreaker able to deal with Ludicolo's checks, mixed Mixed Abomasnow presents itself as a great option to take out both Grass-types and generally bulky Pokemon that could be taking on our beloved rain sweeper, like Mantine and Mega Audino.

Pokemon that directly related to benefit Rain Dance also are good teammates[:] other[.] Other Swift Swim sweepers, especially Kabutops, can take advantage of Ludicolo's rain to break through the opponent opponent's team, forming a scary core of incredibly fast Pokemon with a strong, boosted STAB type. Lying in the supportive side of the spectrum In terms of supporters, dedicated Rain Dance setters[,] like Liepard and Mesprit[,] can help Ludicolo by giving him it rain without having to risk itself finding free turns to do so. On top of that, the rain setter will often carry the item Damp Rock, giving even more turns for Ludicolo to attempt a to sweep.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A specially defensive set is an option if your team needs an overall good check for specially offensive Grass-, Fire-[,] and Water-types. With access to disruptive moves such as Scald, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Substitute, Toxic, and Knock Off, it Ludicolo can easily annoy the opposing team, crippling it by spreading status and knocking off removing items. Choice Scarf is a good alternative set item for Ludicolo, letting it outspeed the likes of Sceptile and Swellow, making it an immediate threat against offensive teams, while also pairing very well with teammates that can do deal passive damage to the opponent opposing team through the match, such as Garbodor and Ferroseed, weakening the foe enough to help Ludicolo clean up.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Pokemon immune Immune to Water**: With Hydro Pump being Ludicolo' (no curly apostrophes)s strongest move, it'(no curly apostrophes)s no wonder that things foes immune to it pose a problem to this Pokemon. The likes of Mantine, Cacturne, Jynx, and Cradily can stop Ludicolo from just spamming its Water-type STAB moves thanks to their access to Water Absorb, Dry Skin[,] or Storm Drain[,][.] and from From there, the foe your opponent can answer accordingly by either threatening Ludicolo offensively in (Jynx and Cacturne's cases) or poisoning it in (Mantine and Cradily's cases).

**Bulky Grass-types**: Even though Ludicolo has Ice Beam, it doesn'(no curly apostrophes)t mean he it will always get past bulky Grass-types such as.(remove period) Vileplume, Roselia, Ferroseed[,] and Abomasnow. The are prime examples of it: the first two can stomach a super effective Ice Beam and hit back with a Sludge Bomb, Ferroseed can take any hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, while and Abomasnow makes use of its ability Snow Warning to summon hail, completely erasing rain from the field, (AC) and can threatening Ludicolo with a strong Blizzard or Wood Hammer.

**Revenge Killers**: Even though revenge killing Ludicolo isn't exactly an easy task, some Pokemon can do it handily: Choice Scarf Scyther and Swift Swim Kabutops are able to outspeed a neutral-natured Speed Ludicolo even with rain on the field, while priority users such as Shiftry, Skuntank, and Kangaskhan take advantage of Ludicolo's bad Defense by hitting with a strong Sucker Punch or Fake Out.

**Bulky Pokemon**: Even though nothing neutral to Water enjoys taking a rain-(AH)boosted neutral Hydro Pump, some bulky Pokemon can tank one hit and handle Ludicolo appropriately:. (change to period) Mega Audino can use the combination of Wish and Protect to stall out rain turns, Malamar can Knock Off remove Ludicolo' (no curly apostrophes)s Life Orb and greatly decrease its damage output, Scyther can hit back with a super effective Aerial Ace or U-Turn U-turn, and Articuno can promptly OHKO Ludicolo with Freeze-Dry.
[This is a subjective note I suppose. Your sentence structure repeatedly uses a list after a colon. If you like this style, then I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. However, using the same style over and over again isn't generally appreciated. Using a varied sentenced structure spices up your writing, and makes the read not as repetitive.]

An improvement, Luka~. Will still go over this one in PMs as we always do.
GP 1/2
 

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Edited with all of Luka and Snobalt's changes. Thanks a lot to you two, and now ready for the final GP n_n Also edited one thing here and there, such as the Thunder Wave mention which was meant to be to both Xatu and Lanturn, not just Xatu (I guess my original analysis didn't make it clear) n_n
 

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GP 2/2
[OVERVIEW]

Ludicolo is the definition a of Rain Dance sweeper in the NU tier. With access to Swift Swim, which doubles its Speed under rain, it can easily sweep teams late-game, especially offensive ones, which tend to be more fragile. On top of that, Ludicolo sports an amazing secondary typing in Grass, which greatly helps it deal with other Water-types that could switch into it, like Lanturn, Poliwrath, and Prinplup. Finally, its good special bulk coupled with a decent defensive typing means that it can also act as a soft check to some Pokemon and even set up Rain Dance on them, including Steelix, special Sceptile, and Samurott lacking Megahorn. Unfortunately, while Ludicolo is incredibly fast under rain, in a weatherless situation, it can only dream of outspeeding common threats due to it sitting in a bad Speed tier for such an offensive Pokemon. Ludicolo might have trouble setting up Rain Dance against offensively inclined teams, usually relying on support given by its teammates to work properly. As if that wasn't weren't (subjunctive........I think?) already bad enough, it struggles to get past common Pokemon such as Mantine, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow, with the first two not minding Ludicolo's assaults at all and the latter even being able to cancel rain.

[SET]
name: Rain Dance
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Rain Dance
item: Life Orb
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Hydro Pump is Ludicolo's main STAB option and receives a strong power boost if rain is on the field; alternatively, Surf might be an option over Hydro Pump, offering offers a more accurate, yet weaker, Water-type STAB move that shines against offensive teams, which often rely on Ludicolo missing its move, but running it that comes at the cost of missing important benchmarks, like the 2HKO on Assault Vest Hariyama after Stealth Rock under rain. Giga Drain is Ludicolo's secondary STAB move, allowing it to deal super effective damage against bulky Water-types that could switch in on Hydro Pump, as well as Pokemon immune to Water thanks to abilities like Water Absorb, Dry Skin, and Storm Drain, while recovering its HP in the process, which greatly helps it last longer. Ice Beam pairs nicely with Ludicolo's STAB moves, hitting on Grass- and Dragon-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Altaria super effectively. Rain Dance turns Ludicolo into a fearsome sweeper, doubling its Speed and boosting Hydro Pump's Base Power. If Rain Dance support is already offered by another teammate, Ludicolo can opt for Focus Blast, an amazing coverage move that helps it deal with common checks to rain teams, such as Abomasnow, Ferroseed, and Cradily.

Set Details
========

Maximum Special Attack and Speed investment augments Ludicolo's offensive prowess, helping it deal as much damage as possible while outspeeding the majority of the tier. A Modest nature coupled with Life Orb further boosts Ludicolo's damage output, increasing its sweeping capabilities. Timid is an option over Modest, allowing Ludicolo to outspeed Choice Scarf Scyther in rain, Swift Swim Kabutops, and every neutral-natured base 70 Speed Pokemon, most notably Swords Dance Samurott.

Usage Tips
========

Thanks to its typing and special bulk, Ludicolo can easily use the likes of specially based Sceptile, Steelix (though it must watch out for Toxic), Samurott without Megahorn, and Xatu and Lanturn, both without Thunder Wave, to set up Rain Dance, but take care not to use it too early, as Ludicolo needs the opposing team to be properly weakened before trying to attempting a sweep. The fact that it also needs a free turn to use Rain Dance before turning into a fearsome sweeper means that Ludicolo has to be healthy, so playing conservatively with it early- and mid-game is a good idea, especially by trying not to not "force" a sweep too early: even if there are still a couple of rain turns on the field, switching it out is wise if the opposing Pokemon poses a threat by being able to tank a hit and cripple Ludicolo. That doesn't mean that you can't make use of its offensive power, though, as even without rain Ludicolo can threaten the opposing team with its Water, Grass, and Ice coverage, firing off powerful hits to weaken its checks, paving the way for a sweep later.

Team Options
========

Pokemon that can deal with the likes of Mantine and bulky Grass-types are needed to help Ludicolo succeed. Rotom and Rotom-S are great for this job, with both being able to hit on Mantine super effectively and the latter also being able to use Air Slash to hit Grass-types. Fire-types, while at first seeming contradictory when paired with a Rain Dance user, actually make for nice partners. They can take on annoying Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, and Ferroseed, (RC) while soft checking the annoying Abomasnow and letting Ludicolo deal with Water-types, helping each other achieve the goal of sweeping the opposing team. Mixed Abomasnow presents itself as a great option to take out both Grass-types and generally bulky Pokemon that could take on Ludicolo be taking on our beloved rain sweeper (sorry :\), like Mantine and Mega Audino.

Pokemon that directly benefit from Rain Dance also are good teammates. Other Swift Swim sweepers, especially Kabutops, can take advantage of Ludicolo's rain to break through the opponent's team, forming a scary core of incredibly fast Pokemon with a strong, boosted STAB type. In terms of supporters, dedicated Rain Dance setters like Liepard and Mesprit can help Ludicolo by giving it rain without having to risk finding free turns to do so. On top of that, the rain setter will often carry Damp Rock, giving even more turns for Ludicolo to attempt to sweep.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A specially defensive set is an option if your team needs an overall good check for specially offensive Grass-, Fire-, and Water-types. With access to disruptive moves such as Scald, Synthesis, Leech Seed, Substitute, Toxic, and Knock Off, Ludicolo can easily annoy the opposing team, spreading status and removing items. Choice Scarf is a good alternative item for Ludicolo, letting it outspeed the likes of Sceptile and Swellow, making it an immediate threat against offensive teams, while also pairing very well with teammates that can deal passive damage to the opposing team through the match, such as Garbodor and Ferroseed, weakening the foe enough to help Ludicolo clean up.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Pokemon Immune to Water**: With Hydro Pump being Ludicolo's strongest move, it's no wonder that foes immune to it pose a problem. The likes of Mantine, Cacturne, Jynx, and Cradily can stop Ludicolo from spamming its Water-type STAB move thanks to their access to Water Absorb, Dry Skin, or Storm Drain. From there, the foe can answer accordingly by either threatening Ludicolo offensively in Jynx's and Cacturne's cases or poisoning it in Mantine's and Cradily's cases.

**Bulky Grass-types**: Even though Ludicolo has Ice Beam, it won't doesn't mean it will always get past bulky Grass-types such as Vileplume, Roselia, Ferroseed, and Abomasnow. The first two can stomach Ice Beam and hit back with Sludge Bomb, Ferroseed can take any hit and cripple Ludicolo with Thunder Wave, and Abomasnow makes use of Snow Warning to summon hail, completely erasing rain from the field, and can threaten Ludicolo with a strong Blizzard or Wood Hammer.

**Revenge Killers**: Even though (you started the previous section the same way) Revenge killing Ludicolo isn't exactly an easy task, but some Pokemon can do it handily: Choice Scarf Scyther and Swift Swim Kabutops are able to outspeed a neutral-natured Ludicolo even with rain on the field, while priority users such as Shiftry, Skuntank, and Kangaskhan take advantage of Ludicolo's bad Defense by hitting with a strong Sucker Punch or Fake Out.

**Bulky Pokemon**: Even though nothing neutral to Water enjoys taking a rain-boosted Hydro Pump, some bulky Pokemon can tank one hit and handle Ludicolo appropriately. Mega Audino can use the combination of Wish and Protect to stall out rain turns, Malamar can remove Ludicolo's Life Orb and greatly decrease its damage output, Scyther can hit back with a super effective Aerial Ace or U-turn, and Articuno can promptly OHKO Ludicolo with Freeze-Dry.
 
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But Ludicolo is so charming and pretty that hitting on still stands true :( Well, implemented all changes suggested by P Squared. This is now done n_n
 

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