yeah, my point sort of falls flat when u consider the common dissonance between in-game and anime logic (i.e. volcanion and magiana might be bffs in movie but have nothing to do with each other in game)
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K, so here's my master conspiracy theory. It's so outrageous you all owe me 10$ if I'm right. K, so Magiana is a 7th gen Legendary, and the 7th region is based off of Britain, and it's got a Steampunk theme. I mean, Britain was the first nation to be affected by the Industrial Revolution, so it'd make sense. Then, more and more man made pokemon are being created. So, a team of people are attempting to revert the world back to what it once was, or we might get a Gen 3-esque plot and have 2 evil teams, each fighting each other. One wants to use Magiana to make the whole world mechanical, and the other team wants to destroy Magiana and use the power from it's core looking thing to revert the world. Again, I doubt this is even remotely right.
First and foremost allow me say that I agree with all the people that think this is another ohmankecleonearlyintheanime kinda thing
but it also is indicative of a trend that has more to do with pokemon as a whole than just pokemon Z (although it will affect Z pretty hard)
so with that in mind I'll go on a bit of a tanget:
As we all know this year is pokemon's 20th anniversary and we're getting all sort of spin-offs announced but no main game in sight, and this is pretty weird when you think about it, I mean it's been months since Zygarde's forms were announced and considering the timing of the anniversary (the 27 this month) the reveal of a 3rd version would have been just perfect
instead we gotten no news about it, not even a hint
Why? from a marketing perspective it makes no sense, it's a big anniversary so release a new version, a bunch of spin-offs and call it aday year; it would have been logical kept the fans and investors happy and it even would have been easy, I mean sure you have to include some new content but is largely the same game just reuse some assests like always, and is not as it wasn't in the cards before since you made sure to announce new forms for one legendary so why not go ahead and release pokemon Z for the anniversary gamefreak?
what's going on here?
Well to try to answear that let's try taking at a bigger picture:
Is not news the Wii U has been performing badly and as many here might know nintendo has announced it's entering the smartphone market and making a new platform, now yes nintendo is not gamefreak but they're pretty dang close what with gamefreak being a 2nd party developer and that
now you might know were I'm going with this, bluh pokemongotakeover bluh zversioncancelled bluh gloomanddoom bluhbluh
and while I am saying that I'm not just saying that
let's see exactly why gamefreak might have postponed if not outright abandoned pokemon Z for pokemon Go:
for quite a while nintendo was reluctant to enter the mobile market
http://andriasang.com/comy5c/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422020/why-nintendo-wont-make-smartphone-games
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/121025qa/03.html
as for why it was reluctant, well I'm not going to go into it here, but just google "atari 83" and then "current state of the mobile market" and you'll get and idea of why nintendo didn't want to go mobile
the fact that nintendo changed its mind tells us things must be pretty dire for it to do so and commit one of it's biggest franchises to it
and it is a commitment make no mistake
how do we know this? well nintendo first mobile "game" will be Miimotto, something that investors are not to happy about (nor is the press but who cares about them really?), now putting an underwhelming franchise as its first game is a calculated risk
http://www.serkantoto.com/2015/11/04/nintendo-shock/
but it does put more pressure on its next game to be a hit
what's nintendo's next mobile game?
Pokemon Go
but is not just that
I know I'm kinda linking everything and the kitchen sink here but if you're gonna read just one article read this next one, it's really short (shorter that this post even)
http://www.serkantoto.com/2015/12/07/nintendo-niantic-japan-mobile/
read that last part? yeah nintendo is betting pretty heavily in this AR games thing
which is why they need for pokemon Go to be a hit
by this point I'm pretty certain that this lack of news on pokemon Z is because gamefreak is diverting most of its resources into making Go a hit
and this is without me going into the whole Google collaboration
or how marketing to "casuals" is way more profitabile that targeting the hardcore (it really is just ask Cave)
or nintendo's "hopes for nintendo profitability" thing
or the superbowl ad
so in conclussion (btw we totally need a detective pikachu emoticon, that and the psyduck one)
My final view on the situation is; gamefreak is focusing on developing pokemon Go and any potential thid version is being delayed/cancelled
doom and gloom
bluh bluh
but it also is indicative of a trend that has more to do with pokemon as a whole than just pokemon Z (although it will affect Z pretty hard)
so with that in mind I'll go on a bit of a tanget:
As we all know this year is pokemon's 20th anniversary and we're getting all sort of spin-offs announced but no main game in sight, and this is pretty weird when you think about it, I mean it's been months since Zygarde's forms were announced and considering the timing of the anniversary (the 27 this month) the reveal of a 3rd version would have been just perfect
instead we gotten no news about it, not even a hint
Why? from a marketing perspective it makes no sense, it's a big anniversary so release a new version, a bunch of spin-offs and call it a
what's going on here?
Well to try to answear that let's try taking at a bigger picture:
Is not news the Wii U has been performing badly and as many here might know nintendo has announced it's entering the smartphone market and making a new platform, now yes nintendo is not gamefreak but they're pretty dang close what with gamefreak being a 2nd party developer and that
now you might know were I'm going with this, bluh pokemongotakeover bluh zversioncancelled bluh gloomanddoom bluhbluh
and while I am saying that I'm not just saying that
let's see exactly why gamefreak might have postponed if not outright abandoned pokemon Z for pokemon Go:
for quite a while nintendo was reluctant to enter the mobile market
http://andriasang.com/comy5c/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4422020/why-nintendo-wont-make-smartphone-games
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/121025qa/03.html
as for why it was reluctant, well I'm not going to go into it here, but just google "atari 83" and then "current state of the mobile market" and you'll get and idea of why nintendo didn't want to go mobile
the fact that nintendo changed its mind tells us things must be pretty dire for it to do so and commit one of it's biggest franchises to it
and it is a commitment make no mistake
how do we know this? well nintendo first mobile "game" will be Miimotto, something that investors are not to happy about (nor is the press but who cares about them really?), now putting an underwhelming franchise as its first game is a calculated risk
http://www.serkantoto.com/2015/11/04/nintendo-shock/
but it does put more pressure on its next game to be a hit
what's nintendo's next mobile game?
Pokemon Go
but is not just that
I know I'm kinda linking everything and the kitchen sink here but if you're gonna read just one article read this next one, it's really short (shorter that this post even)
http://www.serkantoto.com/2015/12/07/nintendo-niantic-japan-mobile/
read that last part? yeah nintendo is betting pretty heavily in this AR games thing
which is why they need for pokemon Go to be a hit
by this point I'm pretty certain that this lack of news on pokemon Z is because gamefreak is diverting most of its resources into making Go a hit
and this is without me going into the whole Google collaboration
or how marketing to "casuals" is way more profitabile that targeting the hardcore (it really is just ask Cave)
or nintendo's "hopes for nintendo profitability" thing
or the superbowl ad
so in conclussion (btw we totally need a detective pikachu emoticon, that and the psyduck one)
- Nintendo is in financial stress
- Pokemon Go is being bet on pretty heavily on
- Few to no news on a third version of a main game
My final view on the situation is; gamefreak is focusing on developing pokemon Go and any potential thid version is being delayed/cancelled
doom and gloom
bluh bluh
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The problem with your theory is that GF is not developing GO at all, a separate company is. TPCi might be holding back on marketing for some reason (possibly related to GO but more likely for a 20th Anniversary reveal), but I seriously doubt the game's development is on hold because of GO.
This franchise prints money, they have no real reason to delay Z outside of a 20th Anniversary bombshell for max hype.
This franchise prints money, they have no real reason to delay Z outside of a 20th Anniversary bombshell for max hype.
Correction: They are collaborating with TPCi and Nintendo. There's a huge difference.
Game Freak does the game development of the main series games and (I assume) has direct control of their content, while TPCi handles pretty much everything else like marketing, spin-offs, and merchandise stuff.
Game Freak does the game development of the main series games and (I assume) has direct control of their content, while TPCi handles pretty much everything else like marketing, spin-offs, and merchandise stuff.
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I agree that there is definitely something wrong with either GF or Nintendo.
I agree that the marketing makes no sense.
I saw Ken Sugimori tweeting that he was under huges stress.
But lets hope Pokemon Go will save the day.
I agree that the marketing makes no sense.
I saw Ken Sugimori tweeting that he was under huges stress.
But lets hope Pokemon Go will save the day.
What's with the Shiny Mega Gardevoir, Gengar, and I'm assuming that Alakazam too (Alakazam needs a better Shiny)? And yes, Ash-Greninja isn't a Mega... which is why its posed with other Mega Pokemon. No confusion can come from that.
can we just talk about HOW CUTE THE FANART ALREADY IS
like LOOK AT IT
like LOOK AT IT
Yep, the translators have gotten a hold of the scans and confirmed that Magiana is indeed a Mythical Pokemon.
Translation below
The 2016 Pokémon movie!
Premieres Saturday July 16th
Volcanion and the Ingenious Magiana
This is Magiana, who has been revealed together with the movie title! Let us take a closer look at the mysteries concerning it!
A Pokémon that absolutely no one has actually seen before: Its name is "Magiana" (マギアナ)
Here is a world exclusive presentation of absolutely all data we currently have on "Magiana"! This mysterious Pokémon is the first ever in a certain field!
Magiana
Magiana possesses a metallic body. The truth is that it's an artificial Pokémon built by human hand!
Species: Artificial Pokémon
Height: 1.0m
Weight: 80.5kg
We'll shed lights on the movie's story as well!!!
As Satoshi and his friends continue their journey, Volcanion drops down from the sky in front of them. Volcanion's object is to recover Magiana, who has been abducted by the "Azoth Kingdom", a city of super-machinery. However, Volcanion and Satoshi have become linked together by a strange chain. Will the two of them manage to work together and save Magiana?
A thorough analysis from the Corocoro editorial staff
1) It's a new mythical Pokémon
This is a Pokémon that hasn't been discovered in the video game world yet. How to obtain it is unknown as well!
2) What is the secret to its ingenuities!?
Magiana was born by human hand 500 years ago. Its body is filled with mechanisms!?
3) How is it related to Volcanion?
Is the greatest of the mysteries to Magiana only known to Volcanion, the one that chases after it!?
The manga starts already next issue!!
The manga preview in this issue packs a punch as well!! Check it out on page 276!!
I'm almost surprised that Yilx isn't all over this yet. Oh well, knowing him, he will be.
Speaking of Pokémon Z, I'm starting to wonder what the heck is up. It's almost as if Game Freak cancelled it and forgot to tell the marketing people. I mean, this is the timeline of Z-related incidents, with dates added for a potential Z release:
- November 2014 - ORAS released
- Summer 2015 - Z revealed to be a thing.
- September 2015 - Zygarde Cell revealed.
- October 2015 - Zygarde's formes revealed. More info given. The Anime starts a new arc named XY&Z.
- November 2015 - Z released.
- February 2016 - signs of a new generation begin to show with the reveal of the first seventh generation Pokémon, Magiana.
Once again, my theory goes that Z was intended to be released last autumn, and probably finished production in line with the schedule, but unforeseen events pushed it back. By the time that decision was made, the marketing campaign was already written, Anime episodes readily produced and some materiel released. With little time to adapt to the reality that ORAS would have a shelf life much longer than intended, the promotional stuff for Z was distributed according to the original plan, the Anime episodes aired and the movies promoted, but without any reference to the game itself. The tease of Zygarde would be enough to keep the fans interested, and the deluge of spin-off-games released in the mean time could make them busy enough not to leave the franchise entirely for the lack of core series games. With the reveal of Magiana, the Internet is once again abuzz with Pokémon discussions, without the need to announce any core series games.
As for what those unforeseen events could be, my money is on the next console - on which Gen VII would be released - being delayed. There was talks of Nintendo revealing the NX at E3 2015, but that never came to be and there's still no trace of it in sight. With the console delayed, Gen VII was delayed, leaving a huge gap between games if Z was to be released according to the original schedule. Instead of taking that gap post Z, Nintendo decided to postpone Z for some time, meaning the extended waiting period is split between post-ORAS and post-Z. After all, it's better to release three games 18 months between, than releasing the second 12 months after the first and the third 24 months after that again.
And, once again again, let me remind you that no core series Pokémon game has been revealed in CoroCoro since Platinum. That's, what, eight years ago now? As such, we shouldn't necessarily expect the game to be announced when CoroCoro leaks. Rather, the leaking of CoroCoro "forces" Nintendo to reveal stuff via its official channels ahead of the leak, then CoroCoro can bring additional details. Flipping that sentence around, we should really only expect CoroCoro to reveal additional details only, as a rule of thumb. The "big stuff" related to games will be revealed via other channels. If no such "big stuff" is revealed ahead of CoroCoro's leak, we shouldn't expect CoroCoro to bring anything useful either.
Then again, they're early on the ball in regards to movie news, which means we'll ocassionally see stuff like this. New Pokémon, new formes, stuff that isn't in the games yet. But no game reveals, that's not their job any more.
Damn I wish my laptop was working, I'd get my tablet out and join in on all of this:
I was explaining the Z thing to a friend who only plays casually yesterday, but I don't think I explained it very well. The whole experience is like walking up a flight of stairs and expecting there to be another step at the top, and missing it entirely as your foot sinks through the floor, only it keeps happening. *comic sans* Or as though the release itself has already happened but been surgically removed from our memories, and all we're left with is the byproducts. I don't mind the wait, but things like the XY&Z anime, or the Zygarde formes (which are releasing in the next TCG set btw), or hell, even the existence of Zygarde, (Z is much more obvious than Grey was last gen) it's either some weird taunt/untried hyping strategy or Codraroll is right and something massively delayed the game after the ball was set in motion. Weird as hell.
I was explaining the Z thing to a friend who only plays casually yesterday, but I don't think I explained it very well. The whole experience is like walking up a flight of stairs and expecting there to be another step at the top, and missing it entirely as your foot sinks through the floor, only it keeps happening. *comic sans* Or as though the release itself has already happened but been surgically removed from our memories, and all we're left with is the byproducts. I don't mind the wait, but things like the XY&Z anime, or the Zygarde formes (which are releasing in the next TCG set btw), or hell, even the existence of Zygarde, (Z is much more obvious than Grey was last gen) it's either some weird taunt/untried hyping strategy or Codraroll is right and something massively delayed the game after the ball was set in motion. Weird as hell.
To break off from the Z schedule discussion for a bit, what about how the movie synopsis mentions a place called the Azoth kingdom?
While normally this isn't anything noteworthy (movie locations are always made up and then thrown away), Azoth is also mentioned in ORAS, in magma/aqua's secret base:
So many questions. Let's hope GF doesn't drop the ball on this as they usually do.
While normally this isn't anything noteworthy (movie locations are always made up and then thrown away), Azoth is also mentioned in ORAS, in magma/aqua's secret base:
How does this tie in with XY and ORAS? Does Z let you visit Azoth? Is it next to Kalos or something? Is it where AZ is from, and why his team was 2/3 "ancient protector" pokemon (including yet another man-made pokemon in Golurk)? Is this where the superweapon was developed? Is magiana tied into the superweapon? How does Zygarde fit into all this? Why do the regi's face symbols sorta look like O, T, and H?
So many questions. Let's hope GF doesn't drop the ball on this as they usually do.
My theory on its English name: Sterabbit. Or Stabbit. I would personally like Stabbit. Either way though, I was thinking about this a few weeks ago. What I sort of determined, based off BW etc, everything else, is that Z has until May to be announced for October release or else it ain't happening. I don't remember how I formed this, but I think I based it around the previous games and their timelines. I just remember pretty recently I was hoping for gen 7 more than Z and this is a good sign. We might not even get Z in gen 6. We could get Z, as the first gen 7 game, set in a nearby country to XY. And that could be all for gen 7. Anything is possible. Remember Pokemon B2 and W2? Nobody thought that'd ever happen. All bets are off here, nothing is impossible. :')
Serious though, I really hope we get a bunch of new Pokemon. Nothing in Pokemon excites me more than a whole new generation. That might be because I was heavily involved in Gen 5, but still. EXCITING.
Serious though, I really hope we get a bunch of new Pokemon. Nothing in Pokemon excites me more than a whole new generation. That might be because I was heavily involved in Gen 5, but still. EXCITING.
Cresselia~~
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We can haz one more image.
It says "Mythical Pokemon Magiana", "2 Pokemon that shake the world!", "Volcanion and the Exquisite contrivance Magiana"
"streaming starts next issue"
PS: May translation may not be 100% accurate.
I'm glad someone brought up AZOTH. Check out this incredible theory picture I found on /v/... gotta say, the bit about the Regis had me in awe. If this is actually something they're tying together, then wow. (Warning: large screenshot)
haha yeah I was in that threadI'm glad someone brought up AZOTH. Check out this incredible theory picture I found on /v/... gotta say, the bit about the Regis had me in awe. If this is actually something they're tying together, then wow. (Warning: large screenshot)
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http://pokemon-matome.net/articles/101455.html
http://pokemon-matome.net/articles/101489.html
I was reading the comments on 2ch and Matome.
Quite a few of them feel that Magiana sounds like some English princess.
A few also suggest that the next region would be English.
http://pokemon-matome.net/articles/101489.html
I was reading the comments on 2ch and Matome.
Quite a few of them feel that Magiana sounds like some English princess.
A few also suggest that the next region would be English.
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