Skimmed this thread again, responded to a few tidbits that piqued my interest.
I don't understand how you could be a Bernie supporter and not left wing. The guy is literally a socialist and the most left wing candidate to ever run for President o_0
Because maybe it never occurred to you that politics isn't always black and white? For example, Bernie's positions on the right to privacy, foreign policy, and the war on drugs are actually very libertarian. Or take the issue of money in politics, which is bipartisan in nature. And of course populism by nature has a more natural appeal to conservative voters who are less trustful of the government and the establishment by their nature. I have met people that claimed to be lifelong Republicans but supported Bernie, despite disagreeing with him on some of his positions on the economy.
What shitstorm is the DNC in lol?
The leaked emails just show that the chair needs to be canned for bias? Which..she is...
It's true that Sanders supporters have known since day 1 that the DNC has been biased in favor of Clinton. But the issue isn't just whether party officials had personal opinions in favor of one candidate or the other, it's whether they were using party infrastructure to increase the odds of Clinton winning. Some of of e-mails had shown that this was precisely the case, and that is the sort of action that isn't acceptable.
The bernie supporters yelled and cried a bit? Who threatened to vote for Jill Stein but almost everyone knows will, in the overwhelming majority, vote for the DNC nominee in November?
What I took away from last night is that Michelle Obama is a fucking god damned KING and I can't wait to see what she does in the future lol.
I'm really curious if the right-wingers in this topic are truly so deluded to believe that the majority of bernie or bust supporters aren't aware enough of the importance of the supreme court seats to eventually vote for hillary in November lol...regardless of how much they yell now and threaten to vote for Jill Stein.
This presidential election is all about suffering your party's nomination for the next 4-8 years to secure 30-50 years of 1-3 supreme court seats as well looking towards the future of the parties.
And I'm very very very thankful that Michelle Obama will probably be in the future of mine :)
Sometimes I say that supporters of establishment Democrats live in a bubble, and this post is a prime example. I mean, the RNC was certainly a shitshow in certain ways, but you're the one that's being delusional. Not that I blame you since the mainstream media outlets will do everything they can to make you think that everything is peachy. Go ahead and not be alarmed by the fact that Trump has
surged ahead of Clinton in the polling averages since the email leak, or that many Sanders delegates
walked out of the convention? I mean, you can easily dismiss these people as merely being the most vocal supporters, but if Clinton fails to significantly bounce post-convention, will you say otherwise?
But what really bothers me about this post is you are being so utterly dismissive of independent voters. Once again, assuming that Clinton will just automatically get enough former Sanders supporters to vote for her is extremely arrogant and dismissive of the agony that we have felt; the frustration of being forced into voting for the lesser of the two evils or "throwing away" your vote to a third party candidate you actually like. Personally, I can't fucking stand it. In 2016 the largest share of voters will not be affiliated with any party, yet because of our media and election laws, they have historically had no choice but to fall in line. When a candidate by the name of Bernie Sanders finally attempted to break this gridlock, democratic primary voters decided to squander such a huge opportunity and go with the supposedly "safer" candidate. It's frustrating, and it's disheartening.
That is why Sanders supporters are disrupting the convention. Personally I am sick and tired of our country treating politics like a spectator sport where both sides are fear mongering and mudslinging each other rather than having substantive conversations on the fucking issues.
Sure but, again...I never said it was the only metric or even a determining one...And iiirc, didn't someone show they voted similarly like 94+% of the time or something? I'm not sure on this so please feel free to fact check and post (as I'm sure you will).
I have already stated this in my previous post, but that statistic is sort of a red herring. Sanders and Clinton agree almost 100% on social issues as nearly all democrats do. Yawn. It's easy to get caught up in this considering both parties distinguish themselves primarily on the social issues, but here is the thing you are missing. Sanders wasn't
bought. He ran a campaign on mostly small individual contributions and railed against a political system which gives the wealthy a disproportionate say on policy issues. If that weren't the case, many of the other policies proposed by Sanders which are standard in many other industrialized countries wouldn't be embarrassingly dismissed as radical. Instead of forcing Sanders to give a hollow endorsement, Clinton and the Democratic Party should have considered on how to incorporate this ideology into their platform and make money in politics a front and center issue for the party moving forward, especially when their opponent is an "outsider" like Trump. Instead, they have decided to play politics as usual between their VP pick and their handling of this e-mail scandal.
I'm sure they do! Again, the main, underlying point is that bernie supporters have more in common with hillary than trump...you're welcome to argue that if you wish.
Nobody is arguing that on the sheer
quantity of issues, Clinton and Sanders indeed have more in common. But the few positions that Trump and Sanders have in common (most notably on the TPP) might be significant enough to outweigh that for some voters. Although that isn't the case for me personally, it is a major reason why I find this talking point to be extremely grating as a Sanders supporter nonetheless. We've heard it a million times, and it's not going to convince any Sanders supporters into supporting Clinton that haven't already, and it's something most of us were aware of since the beginning of the primary. It's literally an insult to our intelligence.