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lol bro, i got bad news for you but puberty lasts until you're 21, 19 at the earliest
well no I meant that my confusion is not caused by a lack of puberty persay, so a new wave of manliness is not going to suddenly "kick in" (puberty) and reinvigorate my spark for girls (unless I'm mistaken and there are specific stages to puberty). I did not know puberty lasted until you're 21 though, holy mackerel.
 

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well no I meant that my confusion is not caused by a lack of puberty persay, so a new wave of manliness is not going to suddenly "kick in" (puberty) and reinvigorate my spark for girls (unless I'm mistaken and there are specific stages to puberty). I did not know puberty lasted until you're 21 though, holy mackerel.
well purely physical stuff doesn't last quite that long, tho it does last longer in guys than girls, but your brain is still developing at least until you're 21 and some sources even say 25 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
 
So, uh

when was the first time you guys realized you might not be straight
Toward the end of 6th grade, I had finally found a good emulation of Phoenix Wright: Justice For All. So I'm sitting there, playing the game, and then I meet the game's prosecutor. So I'm suspecting some asshole like Edgeworth or Payne, but instead I get this amazingly beautiful woman. Keep in mind, at this point I had never been interested in a boy, and I had just written it off as being too young to care about dating. Well, I found someone that I'd like to date. At that moment, everything made sense. All those girls who I thought I was just really good friends with? I actually had crushes on them. At this point I'm out to most of my school, but not to my parents, oddly enough.
 
So I initially stayed away from this thread because I was worried about possibly getting into conflicts, which I usually try to avoid, but then I figured what the hell.

So, uh

when was the first time you guys realized you might not be straight
Looking back at my life, I probably should have realized it a lot sooner. When I got my first laptop in elementary school (I believe I was a 4th grader) one of the things I would do is frequent deviantart in search of pictures of nude women. I used to try to convince myself that I was merely interested in the artistic aspect of it (which isn't entirely wrong, because I do appreciate the human body from an artistic standpoint) but it was definitely early signs of a sexual attraction to women. I also got really into lesbian porn in middle school and often had sex dreams and fantasies about girls (sorry if that's tmi but I have no shame lol.) I finally came out in 9th grade as pansexual. It was easy for me. I was lucky to grow up in a place and to be attending a school where generally everyone was pretty open and accepting. The only people who don't know are members of my family, because I'm not really close to any of them and I'm not sure how they'd feel. My dad might be fine, but I specifically remember my mom telling me that bisexuality was gross, even though she's okay with gay people.

Also, is this a place where we can talk about aro/ace stuff, or should a different thread be made for that?
 
Hi! My name irl is Zach, I'm 16, and some of you may know me in the PU tier. If not, now you know me! I just want to introduce myself because I am part of the LGBTQ+ community; I am gay. I came out to my parents on National coming out day last year, and lets just say things got really really bad. However, eventually it got better, and I'm happy now! I just want to mention that because for those of you who are afraid of coming out to your parents, if you think the time is now to do that, don't be afraid. It gets better in the end because you are happy with yourself and your identity. Sometimes it is better to wait though, it all depends on the situation. Do what you think is best, and be true to yourself!

Hopefully I can become friends with all of you! :)
 

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Hi!

It is I, Zodiax, here to share my story

So, for those who do not know I am Bi-Sexual and I've known this for a very long time now (Probably 6/7 years) and I've always been quite insecure with what people think about my sexuality but that's mainly to do with my personality and how others feel about me

The only reason why I'm actually choosing to post in here now is that I am officially off the market as of today! Funnily enough, that's one of the reasons why I retired because I've been seeing this guy for a bit now and knew that I want to start a life with him and that I need to spend more time with him as he lives 2 hours away by train.

But yeah I went round his today for the first time as he always came to where I lived, I got to meet his friends and we hung out and played some games on his Xbox, once all of his friends went home I then asked "Would you like to be my boyfriend?" And he said Yes!

Honestly, from the stress that I had recently and to what I thought would be a down point in my life I feel that I am back on my feet and can start a life with him

Plus he's into mons and we talk about that for hours

Never been this happy for a long time that I have someone that I can have by my side

So yeah.. Had to let that one out
 
So I'm kinda confused about myself.

I've noticed that for the past couple years now, I haven't been interested in romance. Like, at all. I broke up with my boyfriend in early 9th grade, and haven't dated since. I haven't had any romantic feelings for anyone since (well, kinda, but I'll get to that later.) It's gotten to a point where I don't quite understand the appeal of romantic relationships, and seeing romance in general kinda annoys me. I'm not 100% repulsed by it, I just really don't get it. I did kinda attempt to "date" (and I use that term loosely, I didn't consider him my boyfriend) someone in senior year, but it didn't last long because I just wasn't into it. I didn't love him like that. Also, I just want to make it clear that I wasn't using him. We both agreed to test things out between us, but he didn't consider me his girlfriend either, and we've remained friends since then. There was one person who I thought I loved romantically, but the story with him is that we stopped talking for a while when he got a girlfriend, and I can't help but wonder if I genuinely loved him or if I was just missing him/upset that he stopped talking to me. Especially since him and his girlfriend are over now, he's talking to me again, and my feelings aren't there anymore.

I'm not sure why or how this happened. I honestly can't explain it. I just know that after my last boyfriend, my interest in romance has plummeted. It's especially strange because it's not like it was a bad relationship. In fact, it was great.

I considered the possibility of me being aromantic, but at the same time, I'm hesitant to call myself that because I did have romantic feelings for my old boyfriend, or at least that's how I perceive it. And on top of that, I'm young, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that I could develop those feelings for someone else in the future.

I'm not sure what the point of this post was. I guess I just wanted to let that out, because anytime I try to talk about it with my real life friends, they don't really understand. I thought maybe someone here would.
 
So I'm kinda confused about myself.

I've noticed that for the past couple years now, I haven't been interested in romance. Like, at all. I broke up with my boyfriend in early 9th grade, and haven't dated since. I haven't had any romantic feelings for anyone since (well, kinda, but I'll get to that later.) It's gotten to a point where I don't quite understand the appeal of romantic relationships, and seeing romance in general kinda annoys me. I'm not 100% repulsed by it, I just really don't get it. I did kinda attempt to "date" (and I use that term loosely, I didn't consider him my boyfriend) someone in senior year, but it didn't last long because I just wasn't into it. I didn't love him like that. Also, I just want to make it clear that I wasn't using him. We both agreed to test things out between us, but he didn't consider me his girlfriend either, and we've remained friends since then. There was one person who I thought I loved romantically, but the story with him is that we stopped talking for a while when he got a girlfriend, and I can't help but wonder if I genuinely loved him or if I was just missing him/upset that he stopped talking to me. Especially since him and his girlfriend are over now, he's talking to me again, and my feelings aren't there anymore.

I'm not sure why or how this happened. I honestly can't explain it. I just know that after my last boyfriend, my interest in romance has plummeted. It's especially strange because it's not like it was a bad relationship. In fact, it was great.

I considered the possibility of me being aromantic, but at the same time, I'm hesitant to call myself that because I did have romantic feelings for my old boyfriend, or at least that's how I perceive it. And on top of that, I'm young, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that I could develop those feelings for someone else in the future.

I'm not sure what the point of this post was. I guess I just wanted to let that out, because anytime I try to talk about it with my real life friends, they don't really understand. I thought maybe someone here would.
Hi I read your post here and I figured I could probably help you sort it out a bit, maybe not all the way but oh what the hell. Ok so I think it's pretty normal for people to sometimes (or even a lot of times) to not really be interested in romance especially in school. Like for example I'm going into 9th grade and I haven't been in a relationship with a girl since I was bf and gf with a girl named Aly back at the end of the fifth grade and into sixth grade. I know a lot of people aren't as pimpy as me didn't have any sort of date or relationship that young but anyway the point is, since that whole thing ended in like May 2013 I haven't been emotionally attracted to a girl for three years. Which is completely a normal thing imo because most people don't HAVE a bf or gf.

Now, you've said that after the 9th grade bf you haven't felt romantic feelings but maybe the feelings just weren't there for those other boyfriends? A similar thing actually happened to me where I thought I had feelings for this girl Emily but I was deluding myself, I never liked her much. Hell I even asked her out and she said yes but the day after that she declined. I was sorta relieved and that's when I realized I didn't like her. You probably actually liked the bfs you were talking about at first but discovered that you didn't like him as much as you thought! You said it yourself that you had feelings for your old bf (same with Aly in my case) so i don't think you're aromantic.

Feel free to contradict stuff I said if I misinterpreted your post but anyway I hope I helped you out! :3
 
Hey, this year I came out as a bisexual and I really only wanted to keep it between my friends and I, but I guess because I never directly told them that I wanted this to be kept between us, they thought it would be okay to tell my crush/speak about it out loud in public. I don't know if it was just a simple mistake or they just don't like me, but I feel like if I confronted them about it then they would lie straight to my face. I just want to know if anyone else has been forced to come out before they were ready to do so.
 
Hey, this year I came out as a bisexual and I really only wanted to keep it between my friends and I, but I guess because I never directly told them that I wanted this to be kept between us, they thought it would be okay to tell my crush/speak about it out loud in public. I don't know if it was just a simple mistake or they just don't like me, but I feel like if I confronted them about it then they would lie straight to my face. I just want to know if anyone else has been forced to come out before they were ready to do so.
Hello!
I didn't get forced to come out to anybody, because my sexuality is my buisness and mine alone. I don't think that you should do that if you don't feel like it, because your sexuality doesn't concern anybody else.
Make sure you're ready to tell everyone before doing it, nobody but you can tell whether you're ready to come out to everyone or not.
Good luck, stay strong.
 
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Hey, this year I came out as a bisexual and I really only wanted to keep it between my friends and I, but I guess because I never directly told them that I wanted this to be kept between us, they thought it would be okay to tell my crush/speak about it out loud in public. I don't know if it was just a simple mistake or they just don't like me, but I feel like if I confronted them about it then they would lie straight to my face. I just want to know if anyone else has been forced to come out before they were ready to do so.
If you didn't tell them to keep it confidential they really haven't done anything wrong, your sexuality doesn't need to be public information tho so it's fine to tell them "hey cool it with telling the world about my sexuality i'd like to be the one to tell people" and they'll likely back off.

As for telling your crush, if they're your friends idk how you could expect anything different lol, they just likely want to see you in a relationship, and if it'd be a gay one that's exciting to a lot of people because it's different. Once the newness of your sexuality wears off i doubt they'll behave the same on this regards, but again, you didn't tell them to keep it confidential so they really haven't done anything wrong until you do.

Now, as far as being forced to come out, my advice to everyone is, you're never going to be able to hide it forever so it's best to do it while it's still on your own terms. As an example, my boyfriend was only out to his friends when we started dating, and wasn't out to his family yet. It was tough for a while until he came out to them because we had to be careful about texting when he was home and especially Facebook at all times. He was a little afraid of doing so, but again my argument to encourage him to do so was that with us dating word was going to get out at some point and i would much rather it be on his terms rather than somebody's mistake.
 

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i think it'd be a good idea to start a conversation about STD prevention / treatment, especially wrt HIV / AIDS. obviously, HIV doesn't solely affect the queer community, but factors like unprotected anal sex being more high-risk and the initial spread of the disease among the queer community mean that it's still very much an LGBT issue, especially for people of color.

so I've personally received significant professional educational training in this field, and there's a lot of information that people just aren't taught. here's a couple quick bullet points about things you should know~

*RISK BEHAVIORS: HIV can be transmitted when one or more of the five fluids of an HIV-positive person [cum, pre-cum, blood, breast milk, vaginal fluid] come in contact with the bloodstream of another person. the highest risk behaviors for HIV transmission are unprotected anal and vaginal sex, sharing needles / using used needles, or breastfeeding while HIV+. Unprotected oral sex only carries risk if you have open sores inside your mouth, and kissing / mutual masturbation / frottage present 0 risk other than the fact that they can lead to more risky sexual behavior.

*PREVENTION: Condoms are highly effective in preventing the transmission of HIV [but not as much other STDs that can be transmitted thru skin-to-skin contact]. Learn how to put on and use a condom correctly. I don't know as much about female contraceptive devices and their effectiveness, but in general if there is a layer of protection you're good to go. If you have unprotected sex with someone who you think might be HIV+, you can also take a 28-day treatment of PeP {post-exposure prophylaxis}, which drastically reduces the chance of HIV 'catching' once it's already in your bloodstream. For people who have lots of risky sex as a means of work or just include it regularly in their sex life [or if they have partner(s) who participate in that kind of behavior, or partners who are HIV+], you can take a daily pill called PReP (or Truvada) {pre-exposure prophylaxis}. There's some contention as to how effective it is, but most studies place it at least at 90% and as high as 99.9%. Note that PReP works best in conjunction with other forms of protection like condoms. If your partner is HIV positive, risk of transmission is drastically reduced if their viral load is undetectable - many studies have even found that it's less risky to have sex with an HIV+ undetectable person than someone whose HIV status is unknown. Still, use a condom and look into PReP. PReP should be covered under most major health insurances, but many doctors don't know about it so talk to your doctor or consider going to a LGBT-friendly doctor qualified to discuss it with you.

*TESTING: Testing is SO IMPORTANT, and there's tons of misinformation about it. The most important thing to know is that HIV has something called a "window period". HIV doesn't show up in blood tests until at the very least two weeks, and usually not until two months [as much as three months, though]. Therefore, getting an HIV test immediately after having risky sex is completely useless, and tells you nothing about your status. Whenever you have risky sex, you should immediately start having as safe of sex as possible until your window period is COMPLETELY OVER and you've been cleared of all risk of contracting HIV by testing [usually once at 2 months and once probably two months later]. Both anonymous and confidential HIV tests are available {there's a distinction between them, but neither of them will result in you being accidentally outed or anything}, and hopefully should be accessible and free to you. There's lots of great nonprofits out there that work to provide these, so a little digging should hopefully bring them up. Knowing your status is vital to staying safe, and knowing how your status can change is vital to keep the people you have sex with safe as well.

*TREATMENT: If you do end up contracting HIV, your life isn't over. Medicine has progressed massively over the last 30 years and it's very possible to live a whole, healthy, and sane life while being HIV+ if you treat it correctly. While there's still severe sexual stigma surrounding the disease, it's possible to have a safe and active sex life without putting your partners at risk. While the meds do have some negative side effects, there are thousands of people living long, happy lives after contracting HIV.

So yeah! If you have any personal anecdotes or questions about HIV, feel free to respond in this thread or send me a PM. I'd be happy to give more detailed information or redirect you to the right sources. Stay safe <3
 
So after a bit of thought and denial and general unsureness I'm feel like I'm comfortable enough to say I'm pansexual. This does have a few caveats (mostly in regards to physical attraction) but I would probably be happy in a relationship with anybody.

It might take a little while to figure myself out some more but I feel like a big weight has been lifted off my shoulders!
 
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tbh im totally comfortable with myself being bisexual, but i dont like the fact that I have to come out to people. with the bigger people in my life it'll transform into some big embarrassing conversation along the lines of "oh we're TOTALLY here for you tell us if you need ANYTHING". I know this sounds pedantic and stupid compared to other people's LGBT problems (and thats because it is) but it makes me feel weird and embarrassed about the whole thing, because a conversation like that makes me feel like people are viewing me differently and treating me special just because of an aspect of me that's just... always been there i suppose. it frustrates me, because i know i would have a great net of support, but this hangup of mine keeps me from feeling totally comfortable, and consequently I feel bad for taking this support for granted that others would love to have.

just wanted to get that off my chest i guess
 
tbh im totally comfortable with myself being bisexual, but i dont like the fact that I have to come out to people. with the bigger people in my life it'll transform into some big embarrassing conversation along the lines of "oh we're TOTALLY here for you tell us if you need ANYTHING". I know this sounds pedantic and stupid compared to other people's LGBT problems (and thats because it is) but it makes me feel weird and embarrassed about the whole thing, because a conversation like that makes me feel like people are viewing me differently and treating me special just because of an aspect of me that's just... always been there i suppose. it frustrates me, because i know i would have a great net of support, but this hangup of mine keeps me from feeling totally comfortable, and consequently I feel bad for taking this support for granted that others would love to have.

just wanted to get that off my chest i guess
Honestly same. While the situation isn't exact, I see where you're coming from. I have no issue with being out or coming out to people. I do remember when I first came out though, back in 9th grade, I was at lunch with my group of friends and the whole ordeal was way more casual than I expected. I had some people tell me they were proud of me for being open, but mostly everyone was like "oh, cool" and I felt dumb for making a big deal out of it.

But yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. I have never run into any kind of problems for being pan, while other LGBT people fear rejection and vitriol. I was just very, very lucky to grow up where I did. My high school was overall pretty good to LGBT kids. We had generally accepting staff and students, trans kids were called by their preferred pronouns and names with no fuss (at least not any that I saw), and we had an LGBT club. In fact, I was a comic artist for our school newspaper in my senior year, and I got away with depicting a lesbian couple for our Valentine's Day edition with no problems. I think there was like, one teacher I can think of who obviously didn't like LGBT people. I know other LGBT people would love to have to kind of support/nonchalance I got, so I make sure not to take it for granted. Still, I admit to not always being able to relate to the problems other LGBT people face because I had it so good. The only fear I have is coming out to my family, which really isn't that bad.
 
Unprotected oral sex only carries risk if you have open sores inside your mouth, and kissing / mutual masturbation / frottage present 0 risk other than the fact that they can lead to more risky sexual behavior.

are you sure ingestion carries 0 risk?
 

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are you sure ingestion carries 0 risk?
i have no first hand experience + am not a expert but:

the oral-digestive-shitting tract is classified as part of the "external" environment and is essentially sealed to the outside except for absorbing nutrients and water. the only time hiv would be able to cross into the bloodstream/internal environment would be through a physical rupture in your cell lining, which could be a cold sore, a cut in your gum from flossing too roughly, etc. otherwise, you'd be in danger every day of getting very very sick from an e. coli infection from your lower digestive tract. hiv can enter through unprotected anal sex due to microfissures in the relatively delicate skin iirc.

as stated, i'm no medical practitioner and i don't think anyone who isn't should say that there is 0 risk. i'm not sure there's ever 0 risk -- all you can do is minimise risk.
 

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I mean, if you want to be technical, then oral sex hypothetically carries some risk of HIV transmission if there's a cold sore or something, but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be blowing someone if you have a cold sore because that carries a substantial risk of transmitting herpes to the recipient (remember, cold sores are herpes). But, semantic nonsense aside, it's incredibly important to discuss minimizing HIV risk, especially within the LGBTQ community - MSM trumps the next highest transmission category (heterosexual male-to-female) fourfold, and trumps heterosexual female-to-male nearly tenfold (CDC).

Kitten Milk discussed the whole thing exceptionally well, but I do want to bring up something that hasn't really been discussed. MSM constituting the vast majority of all new HIV diagnoses has led some MSM to propose making frotting the preferred method of male-male sexual contact, with some even going as far as saying we should stop presenting anal sex as erotic. Of course, the latter part of that is too extreme, but it doesn't get a whole lot better on the other end. I've certainly seen some MSM dismiss frotting as some kind of second-rate act.

I think it is a discussion worthy of having. We shouldn't de-eroticize homosexual anal sex (that's about as asinine as de-eroticizing heterosexual vaginal sex), but rather, as basically everyone ever has been saying, promoting condom use and PrEP to reduce HIV transmission from it. However, at the same time, viewing anal sex as the default shouldn't imply delegitimizing frotting as an act; it should be mentioned as an alternative for MSM who want to further reduce HIV risk (as far as I can tell, it has about the same transmission risk as female genital-genital contact, as in "basically nonexistent") and not view anal sex as some kind of necessity like what seems so prevalent right now.
 

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are you sure ingestion carries 0 risk?
I also have experience in the field of HIV prevention (though I assume less than Kitten Milk, since mine was super brief), and I personally would never say zero risk. Too many things can go wrong for any act that has fluid to skin contact to be zero risk. The risk is exceedingly low, though, especially compared to other sex acts.

As an example, frottage carries an incredibly small risk, as well, since microabrasions can happen, and aren't even exceedingly uncommon. Any HIV+ fluid that ends up on those abrasions (including precum) can, theoretically, transmit HIV. It's just a ridiculously low risk.
 

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HIV, contrary to popular belief, is already quite difficult to transmit even in the very high risk behaviors, so long as your partner is being treated. If you have unprotected sex with someone who has HIV, but is taking appropriate medication to keep their viremia low, it's considerably less likely you would contract HIV than if you had unprotected sex with someone who had just about any other STD.

This talk has some interesting points in it related to this, amidst many other interesting points unrelated to the topic itt.



just to be clear this is not to advocate unprotected sex with anyone, much less with someone you know to be seropositive... more so to reduce some stigma and also just provide factual information
 
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Even an untreated partner generally has lower than a 1% per encounter transfer rate.

http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-per-exposure/page/1324038/

If you look at this chart, it shows that fellatio is about as high risk as anal sex with a condom.

I've also heard people are most infectious before HIV has become detectable the first time, IE are beginning to battle the very very beginning of the infection, so I'd recommend normalizing condom use even with partners you don't believe would be HIV positive.
 

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Even an untreated partner generally has lower than a 1% per encounter transfer rate.

http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-per-exposure/page/1324038/

If you look at this chart, it shows that fellatio is about as high risk as anal sex with a condom.

I've also heard people are most infectious before HIV has become detectable the first time, IE are beginning to battle the very very beginning of the infection, so I'd recommend normalizing condom use even with partners you don't believe would be HIV positive.
I want to clarify your statement about fellatio, because it seems a little inaccurate to me. The AIDSMAP shows that INSERTIVE anal sex with a condom has the same risk as the highest possible proposed risk of RECEPTIVE fellatio, not receptive anal sex. Also, the 0.00-0.04 is a very different statistic than 0.04. To my knowledge, that range refers to the fact that there are 0 known cases of oral transmission, because it's quite hard to prove and would only be really applicable to people who abstain from anal or vaginal sex but not oral. In general, the biggest risk with oral sex is simply the fact that it can lead to far more risky sexual behaviors like unprotected anal sex- for that reason, it is usually lumped with things like alcohol and drug consumption in terms of risk.
 
oh gross

I was checking out a guy in my class and he looked at me funny. He's straight but he's really friendly, and I think he wants to be friends with me...

He's really cute, it's distracting. o///o
 
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