6ft Torbjorn
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I'd say it's just representing the fact that a Spinda's spot pattern is pretty much never the same twice.
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Could maybe one be a placeholder they left in after deciding to replace with either one that shows more of Spinda or has more "character" to it?
I'd agree, if they didn't use the same pattern twice. I just find it interesting that it is getting this unique treatment, since it's not like Spinda is a huge fan favorite Mon or anything.
Maybe...still curious that Spinda's the only one. I was really just bringing attention to it because it hadn't been mentioned yet (as far as I've seen) on this thread.
ORAS also has a dex preview image, just like SM does. They've been through this rodeo already
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6ft Torbjorn
formerly JoycapJoshST
You know, you might have a point.
Z-moves MIGHT be enough to put Kyurem-B back on the map in OU.
like weather do different terrains replace each other??
Yes, they do.
The issue with that is that you're wasting a move slot...
You waste one just as much when you use Freeze Shock regardless, seeing as the only viable way of using that is with Power Herb.
How does the z move decide which move to base its power on if there is more than one applicable move? For instance, say I'm a noob and have both Electroball and Thunderbolt on my Ash-team Pikachu.
Two Gigavolt Havoc buttons appear before attacking, you chose the one you want
Funny you should ask, those two electric moves are both in the demo. if you pick Electro Ball, the Z-Move does base damage at around
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Electro Ball is 160, actually, which is just a scant notch above its max Base Power of 150. That said, the chances you'll have for a max power Electro Ball without paralyzing something (and even that won't work very well, now that paralysis is nerfed) or setting up an Agility or two are next to non-existent, so it is a solid up-grade.
I don't think the demo can answer this, but are z-moves affected by the base move's accuracy? Like, would a thunder z-move be 70% accurate?
Something I am curious about is since moves like Gyro Ball and Electro Ball are dependent on the difference on your speed verse the opponent's speed. I wonder if when you activate a Z-Move and check the base power on your Z-Move Electro/Gyro Ball move you can determine your opponent's exact speed stat from knowing the base power from your speed dependent Z-move's base power.
i think it was determined they can not miss....unless the opponent is not on the field, judging by how Pulverizing Pancake hit no one in the battle royal on niconico
The electro ball z-move has a fixed base power regardless of the speed, so no
Imho is comprehensible why they applied a fixated BP, but atm Z moves are much weaker than I expected. A 100BP Nuzzle would've been absolutely interesting, but a 100BP move without any secondary effect definitely isn't worth the item slot competitively. The same goes even for a mono-use 175BP thunderbolt, it looks better but it just isn't worth the item loss most of the time. As of now, I see Z moves as niche mechanic, especially for some coverage moves (or priorities, if they work) rather than a game-changing mechanic. We'll see.
ah, it was nuzzle that's 100. makes more sense
Yep. Too bad Z-Moves don't seem to retain the other properties of the moves they're upgraded from. Can you imagine a Base 100 Physical Electric move with guaranteed paralysis?
Still, since Gem boosted attacks were popular back in Gen 5 VGC, I can see Z-Moves getting some play. Especially off of Draco Meteor, as it would create a boosted strike that doesn't lower Sp. Attack.
I agree that Z-moves are almost certainly not going to be as dominant as Megas were and will commonly be used to upgrade luring sets such as power-herb solarbeam Heatran. From what we know so far Z-moves add around 80BP to any offensive move (we don't know about status moves yet) and remove both the positive and (probably) negative side effects of the original attack. I can see Z-moves being popular on offensive pokemon who are able to cover the type chart without needing to use all their 4 attacks (e.g Rhyperior's near perfect rock-ground coverage). Assuming negative side effects are removed (which is more likely than not given what happens with nuzzle) then ultra-powerful attacks such as the elemental hyper beams, rock wrecker etc. become interesting options as they should be inflicting 230 BP damage not including stab. This power level approaches that of explosion without the side effect and could be useful for breaking though your opponent's conventional check or counter (e.g Skarmory in Rhyperior's case). At the moment the elemental hyper beams and powerful 2 turn moves such as freeze-shock are seen as jokes, but removing their side effects and being able to take advantage of their raw power could be enough to OHKO most pokemon, which in itself makes these joke moves worthwhile options. Criting Z-moves also look interesting and I'm definitely going to spam Laser focus, frenzy plant -> Bloom Doom ingame, which might actually be viable competitively...
Then of course their are signature Z-moves such as Pulverising Pancake for snorlax (which requires giga-impact to use) which are almost guaranteed to hit much harder than hyper sprint or have an extra special effect. Z-moves have plenty of potential as long as you link them with high power stab or coverage moves and not low-medium power attacks.
6ft Torbjorn
formerly JoycapJoshST
Not necessarily... as you know by the demo, Z-moves act as a (hard committal) 5th move.
On another note:
What if (reflecting with the 'yeti/snowman' leak) - that crabrawler's evo' is Fighting/Ice?
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