I didnt downplay anything, you gave me what was likely fake stories with no verifiable proof. Obviously things change now as here you have some proof of hate, but thats extremists that dont represent trump in any way. Thats the equivelant of saying that since the KKK support trump, all trump supporters are KKK. I touched on this in an earlier post.
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I didnt downplay anything, you gave me what was likely fake stories with no verifiable proof. Obviously things change now as here you have some proof of hate, but thats extremists that dont represent trump in any way. Thats the equivelant of saying that since the KKK support trump, all trump supporters are KKK. I touched on this in an earlier post.
I think you missed the point. The first part of my post was a quip, nothing more. If you read my posts after that, I actually agree with you that orthodox belief systems are usually pretty horrifying. I'm more intrigued by the fact that people seem willing to defend certain sects of Islam with the mighty shield of "Racist!" while at the same time attacking other religious groups.
And hold on just a second.
If a gay man can be homophobic and a black man can be racist, why can't a Jew be antisemetic?
Uhhhh, what the fuck are you talking about lol? The only thing I can think of that you could be talking about is when a room driver in the scholastic room was doing things like refusing to accept an article because the author was white, and even though the driver was repromoted a while later they were demoted for doing things like that. This also had nothing to do with the Furgeson riots and I wasn't in the room when people spammed racist things, nor do I remember it. Did you really just try to find a (irrelevant and false because you had no clue of the situation that went on)story that has nothing to do with this to say that I'm a racist? This is a new low, and it's ridiculously desperate.
And I'm not saying that my sexual orientation or ethnicity prevents me from being racist, so you can stop putting more words in my mouth.
I never even said a word about Clinton supporters.
Why bother quoting me if you're not going to address my post?
Again with your assumptions with no proof. You cant just label him a racist. How is it a '"FACT" that hes a racist xenophobe if he never explicitly said these things. When he says he wants to build a wall on the border of mexico to prevent illegal immigration from mexico, it actually says he cares about not having illegals. Is there a problem with not wanting illegal immigrants? He's probably not popular among social minorities, whatever those are, because they label him racist with no proof or competent explanations (similar to you). Perhaps they're illegal themselves, or perhaps they just don't like his policies. Very open ended question. Don't see how you can speak on behalf of all trump supporters either, especially since you presumably aren't one yourself.
Finally, I cant figure out what your "example" is trying to prove. A majority of people want Muslims banned from entering U.S.? Please elaborate.
#MakeAmericaBrownAgain
You know, sometimes we all have to just step back and try to see the perspectives of others.
For liberals: hope that the reason most Trump supporters voted for him because of the economy, not because they were racist. You can either be obstructionist like the Republicans were to Obama (which can happen if there is compromise), or you can choose to take the high ground and make the most of this situation.
For conservatives: realize that this election of Trump is very different for the Democrats than the election of Obama was for you. We still don't know what Trump's actual opinions are, and remember that people are afraid. Don't brush off their fears as false and don't call them stupid. No one ever changed their mind because they were called an idiot. Show that the racists are a minority and don't be sore winners.
And by the way, liberals shouldn't want Trump impeached. Pence is a far more conservative politician than Trump is. And just to remind conservatives that Trump is not very trust worthy (just ask the people in Atlantic City, or the people in Manhattan).
So in short: be more moderate, or else unification is going to be much harder to accomplish. Let's not attack each other for being racist, or being sore losers or winners, or for being entitled. There are checks and balances in the American government, there are still intelligent people in the government, this is not the end of the world. In fact, a Trump presidency may be a good thing, whether the economy benefits or if the politicians realize that the people are tired of the norm. If you still aren't convinced, well, 4 states legalized marijuana, and Maine now has ranked voting.
And don't be hypocrites, because Clinton supporters aren't angels, Bernie supporters aren't angels (he would have lost anyway, the increased white turn out he would have brought out wouldn't be as effective with the reduced black and latino turnout), and Trump supporters aren't angels.
For liberals: hope that the reason most Trump supporters voted for him because of the economy, not because they were racist. You can either be obstructionist like the Republicans were to Obama (which can happen if there is compromise), or you can choose to take the high ground and make the most of this situation.
For conservatives: realize that this election of Trump is very different for the Democrats than the election of Obama was for you. We still don't know what Trump's actual opinions are, and remember that people are afraid. Don't brush off their fears as false and don't call them stupid. No one ever changed their mind because they were called an idiot. Show that the racists are a minority and don't be sore winners.
And by the way, liberals shouldn't want Trump impeached. Pence is a far more conservative politician than Trump is. And just to remind conservatives that Trump is not very trust worthy (just ask the people in Atlantic City, or the people in Manhattan).
So in short: be more moderate, or else unification is going to be much harder to accomplish. Let's not attack each other for being racist, or being sore losers or winners, or for being entitled. There are checks and balances in the American government, there are still intelligent people in the government, this is not the end of the world. In fact, a Trump presidency may be a good thing, whether the economy benefits or if the politicians realize that the people are tired of the norm. If you still aren't convinced, well, 4 states legalized marijuana, and Maine now has ranked voting.
And don't be hypocrites, because Clinton supporters aren't angels, Bernie supporters aren't angels (he would have lost anyway, the increased white turn out he would have brought out wouldn't be as effective with the reduced black and latino turnout), and Trump supporters aren't angels.
You know those papers are bullshit, right? First of all, IQ is a social construct itself. The measurement is flawed, it is also heavily influenced by solving the type of problems the western world deems important for intelligence. Also you are outright ignoring socioeconomical elements which will of course affect the average IQ of a country. I guess being a major in biology does not teach you that there are other factors that shape a person outside of biology...
doesn't your last article from nature basically disprove what you said? yes, white people of european decent score better on IQ tests, in large part because they're the target for the test. if your schooling system and access to educational resources is different (which i would presume it is around the world), the test isn't going to account for that. there's socioeconomic factors that affect the results of the test.
it's the same thing with the SAT test, if you want to just take america as an example. i went to a school with a lot of resources and had the money to buy test prep books and didn't need to have a job after school so i could take the time to study. i'm sure there's an african american girl in an inner city high school who is probably just as smart, if not smarter than me, who won't perform as well on the test because she doesn't have the money for a test prep book or because she can't devote the time to studying because she has to work or take care of siblings because her parents have to work odd hours.
also, brain weight is irrelevant to intelligence.
Why are people trying to legitimize racism all of a sudden? it can't have any connection to who just became president...
This sort of talk is like the last thing we need. If he actually becomes director of Homeland Security, and starts treating those who dissent Trump like terrorists, then this country might well enter into another civil war.
Obviously, I don't condone the injury of people and the destruction of property (hey fella, what did that car ever do to you?!). That's acting like savages.
I'm hoping for civilized conversations, understanding, and compromise between fellow progressives and conservatives. Guess I shouldn't get my hopes up.
quote="Codraroll, post: 7073437, member: 113666"]What can there possibly be to blackmail Trump with after all he went through in the elections? It was shown that he had evaded taxes, declared bankruptcy, scammed people, neglected to pay workers, harassed women, mocked the disabled, mocked veterans, mocked the parents of a dead veteran, conspicuously refused to show any actual evidence for his wealth, courted racists and xenophobes, publicly and repeatedly encouraged war crimes, used a charitable foundation as a personal bank acount, and bragged about being able to get away with freaking assault. Among other things.
Any ordinary presidential campaign would have folded completely under just one of these scandals. But Trump just shrugged and went on, and his followers cheered. "He's evaded taxes for 18 years! Legally! That's pretty clever!" Of course, half the country despised him for those actions, but that didn't stop Trump. He just ignored it, let it blow over, and now he's about to pack down crates of incredibly gaudy furniture he can bring with him to the White House in January.
What could the Russians possibly have on Trump that he'd feel threatened by? Even if they published high-definition videos of him strangling a kindergartener with his bare hands, he'd use the occasion to mock people who said he had too small hands to do that. And there would be "trumpets" in the comments sections claiming it would all be fake anyway. Trump has proven to be immune to damning evidence and conspiracy theories, so I doubt a blackmail or two would make any difference.[/quote]
Yeah, unless it was visceral enough to anger enough people to try to drag him out of office kicking and screaming, you have a point. It'd have to be very bad, like treason bad!
Obviously, I don't condone the injury of people and the destruction of property (hey fella, what did that car ever do to you?!). That's acting like savages.
I'm hoping for civilized conversations, understanding, and compromise between fellow progressives and conservatives. Guess I shouldn't get my hopes up.
quote="Codraroll, post: 7073437, member: 113666"]What can there possibly be to blackmail Trump with after all he went through in the elections? It was shown that he had evaded taxes, declared bankruptcy, scammed people, neglected to pay workers, harassed women, mocked the disabled, mocked veterans, mocked the parents of a dead veteran, conspicuously refused to show any actual evidence for his wealth, courted racists and xenophobes, publicly and repeatedly encouraged war crimes, used a charitable foundation as a personal bank acount, and bragged about being able to get away with freaking assault. Among other things.
Any ordinary presidential campaign would have folded completely under just one of these scandals. But Trump just shrugged and went on, and his followers cheered. "He's evaded taxes for 18 years! Legally! That's pretty clever!" Of course, half the country despised him for those actions, but that didn't stop Trump. He just ignored it, let it blow over, and now he's about to pack down crates of incredibly gaudy furniture he can bring with him to the White House in January.
What could the Russians possibly have on Trump that he'd feel threatened by? Even if they published high-definition videos of him strangling a kindergartener with his bare hands, he'd use the occasion to mock people who said he had too small hands to do that. And there would be "trumpets" in the comments sections claiming it would all be fake anyway. Trump has proven to be immune to damning evidence and conspiracy theories, so I doubt a blackmail or two would make any difference.[/quote]
Yeah, unless it was visceral enough to anger enough people to try to drag him out of office kicking and screaming, you have a point. It'd have to be very bad, like treason bad!
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Yeah, unless it was visceral enough to anger enough people to try to drag him out of office kicking and screaming, you have a point. It'd have to be very bad, like treason bad!
That's a good point. That's what happens when a party in power ignores an issue as a matter of policy. They feel ignored, marginalized and that those in power don't care about their well being. And then they get pissed, and try to find ways to get even if they continue to be ignored. I imagine it will be the same with progressives if their issues of importance are ignored (and it look like that is what we can count on from the Trump Administration).
And what's worse, tempers are flaring pretty quickly. Frankly, I fear the future right now.
great non-sequitur attributing african poverty to genetics.
In actual news
Trump's appointees in consideration.
Rudy Giuliani for SC justice...
Newt Gingrich for.... something idk what the fuck that idiot can do
Sarah Palin for Environment
Ben Carson for Education
and donald trump jr. b/c fuck everyone who's ever had to work a day in their lives to reach where they are.....
hmmmmmmmmm gl guis....
also leaving this here.
In actual news
Trump's appointees in consideration.
Rudy Giuliani for SC justice...
Newt Gingrich for.... something idk what the fuck that idiot can do
Sarah Palin for Environment
Ben Carson for Education
and donald trump jr. b/c fuck everyone who's ever had to work a day in their lives to reach where they are.....
hmmmmmmmmm gl guis....
also leaving this here.
Cresselia~~
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Im not really trying to legitimize racism, I just want to know why white supremacy isn't main stream in America, but obviously main stream in most Asian countries.
I want people who take it seriously and argue against me properly, using scientific methods.
yeah, like the Clintons lmfao https://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/
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Damn. Really makes you think.
Yeah, I think this country is headed towards hell. I told him this sort of rhetoric was divisive. Now people are more likely to refuse to recognize his status as President, since he doesn't seem interesting in representing them, only ruling them.
I hope that doesn't mean that I think it means, (or it is CNN disinformation) hat says what I think it says, I think the best thing is for Progressives to move to Blue states, and said states to secede and form our own country. The alternative is civil war. Progressives won't tolerate this, especially after winning the popular vote. I will NOT be unilaterally dictated what is un-American!!! In fact, it sounds un-American in itself!great non-sequitur attributing african poverty to genetics.
In actual news
Trump's appointees in consideration.
Rudy Giuliani for SC justice...
Newt Gingrich for.... something idk what the fuck that idiot can do
Sarah Palin for Environment
Ben Carson for Education
and donald trump jr. b/c fuck everyone who's ever had to work a day in their lives to reach where they are.....
hmmmmmmmmm gl guis....
also leaving this here.
You're not the only ones who are frustrated. We are sick and tired of climate change not being addressed, and told it is a hoax like we're stupid! I don't like it when we are lumped together as "radicals" or called "communists"! We're tired of the wealthy getting off scot free while we for the most part are law abiding citizens, but get shafted. We're tired of institutional police brutality and injustice. We're tired of deregulations that Corporate America benefits from, while everyone else suffers! If I hear one more person say trickle down economics is good, or corporation are people, I'm liable to shoot someone!!!
And we're not going to take it anymore!!! If the Trump Administration isn't going to address the concerns of progressives, they can count on being a one term Administration. If they use force against us, they can count on us fighting back with a proportional amount of force. If they call us un-American, we'll just label them the same way, and refuse to recognize their authority. They need our consent, or their power means nothing to us, and if they try to force said authority on more than half the population, they violate their oaths, and commit treason. WE will decide what is good for us, not the Trump Administration. We are unruly, and can only be governed by consent. So you and your representatives had better watch their step, or we will reject them as you rejected Hillary.
You and others like you want to engage in meaningful conversation, and help solve each other's issues? That is what we need to do.
Sorry if this post was too hot in rhetoric, but that is how me and half the country feels right now.
Honestly I hope that the electoral college fucks with everyone and doesn't elect Trump. But I also hope that this royally pisses people off and causes enough of a shitstorm to get the electoral college abolished and to dismantle the DNC. It's an outcome where we can "fight against corruption in government" (the much lesser, but still evil) while not having to put up with a racist, fascist for president.
Obvious as it may be, our primary issue in this country (and in most diverse societies) is that everyone wants their voice to be heard and we all have different opinions and needs. What this leads to is a ton of advocacy (telling) and not enough inquisition (listening and attempting to understand others). Politics just ends up with people telling each other what's right or wrong without trying to fully understand the other's point or view. We are all victim to this to some extent. So I'm posting here not to argue, but to learn.
I am genuinely curious about something. Does anyone here believe Global Warming is a hoax? If so, why?
I promise not to tell you why I think you're wrong (though I cannot speak for anyone else who might post in response). I really just want to understand why.
I am genuinely curious about something. Does anyone here believe Global Warming is a hoax? If so, why?
I promise not to tell you why I think you're wrong (though I cannot speak for anyone else who might post in response). I really just want to understand why.
that's real nice of you and all but unlike politics or policy global warming is not a matter of opinion.
it's hardcore fact.
might as well ask why do you think that oxygen doesn't exist.
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I dont believe it is a hoax but it is possible that global climate change is not caused by human activity.
My current professor in environmental changes does not side with NGOs, and sometimes, he does make good points.
He believes that global climate change happens anyway without human influence, pretty much like how there was climate chane on Earth before and after ice age.
He also thinks that NGOs love to use scaremongering with the use of "could have", even with very little evidence.
It's a natural process sped up by human activity. Thought that was widely accepted.
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This is mainstream but not all scientists have to support mainstream theories
Global warming isn't caused by humans insomuch as the Sun is constantly getting slightly bigger and in some millions of years will render the planet uninhabitable to us BUT Mars will be a perfect temperature however I think the year to year temperature increase is miniscule.
The rest is humans being stupid and needing to care more about the consequences what they do have.
The rest is humans being stupid and needing to care more about the consequences what they do have.
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