Black & White Battle Subway Records (now with gen. 4 records!)
Are you on the list?
Post your streaks with team information and strategy descriptions. First, state clearly which battle mode your streak was achieved in and the actual streak length (number). If you're posting records from the previous generation (Diamond & Pearl Battle Tower, Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver Battle Frontier), also state the facility.
Battle Subway Super Single Battle Record: 144
Platinum Battle Hall Double Battle Record: 220
Post information about the individual team members, your Pokémon (nickname, held item, abilitiy, nature, IVs, EV spread, actual level 50 stats and moveset). The more information you give, the more believable your streak will be.
Don't forget to post proof of your streak, a picture, a video or both. Proof is obligatory if you make top3 in a mode. You should know the drill by now, after all these years.
If you consider yourself honorable, don't cheat your streaks in any way. If you do cheat, stay away from this topic. This is a rather highly competitive field of play and the majority of the incredible streaks acquired in the past wouldn't have been possible without this kind of record listing, but there will always be trust issues. Play fair.
Note that the minimum streak length requirement (to be put on the Battle Subway list) is set to 70, but you may still post shorter streaks. Sharing useful information, experience and warstories with the Pokémon community is always welcome and makes this so enjoyable.
Battle Subway Pokémon movesets (by Team Rocket Elite)
Battle Subway Trainers and their Pokémon (by Team Rocket Elite)
Battle Subway's inner workings (helpful information by Team Rocket Elite)
Battle Subway speed tiers (by fluffyflyingpig)
Battle Subway Pokémon movesets with actual lv.50 stats (originally a download link by twash, reposted the data)
P A R T 1 : Black & White Battle Subway Records
Black & White 2 Battle SUBWAY SUPER SINGLES Records:
1. yadazhai (1001) - Whimsicott, Durant, Dragonite streak 2; Whimsicott/Serperior, Durant, Dragonite & how he lost
2. NoCheese (546) - Durant, Cloyster, Garchomp
3. Hozu (410) - Durant, Cloyster, Latias
4. Eppie (301) - Cloyster, Durant, Salamence
5. CBManBearPig (126) - Gengar, Durant, Dragonite; (75) - Durant, Smeargle, Salamence
6. PeterT (120) - Durant, Dragonite, Volcarona
7. Vandslaux (105) - Whimsicott, Durant, Dragonite
8. lucariojr (105) - Whimsicott, Durant, Dragonite
9. Tomaius (105) - Whimsicott, Durant, Dragonite
Note that I´m separately listing streaks that use Pokémon and/or movesets that require access to Black & White 2 after seeing the increase in Truant Durant usage which undoubtedly breaks the Subway.
Black & White Battle SUBWAY SUPER SINGLES Records:
1. Jumpman16 (896) - Whimsicott, Dragonite, Mesprit streak 2; (375) - Whimsicott, Dragonite, Mesprit streak 1 & how he lost; (272) - Latios, Suicune, Terrakion & how he lost
2. Peterko (623) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune v1; (461) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune v2; (337) - Latias, Registeel, Garchomp
3. ntrnsc mtvtn (579) - Scizor, Milotic, Dragonite
4. ~Mercury~ (509) - Gengar, Garchomp, Suicune v3; (156) - Gengar, Garchomp, Suicune v2; (93) - Gengar, Garchomp, Suicune v1
5. Eelektrawss (462) - Shuckle, Gastrodon, Ferrothorn; (137) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Magnezone
6. Carl (404) - Dragonite, Suicune, Scizor
7. Chinese Dood (349) - Stoutland, Dragonite, Tentacruel
--- Chinese Dood (276) - Stoutland, Dragonite, Volcarona, team notes & how he lost; (178) - Jolteon, Gyarados, Porygon2; (143) - Stoutland, Suicune, Dragonite; (138) - Mesprit, Volcarona, Gyarados;
--- Chinese Dood (112) - Latios, Suicune, Scizor; (105) - Gliscor, Metagross, Suicune; (104) - Uxie, Snorlax, Suicune & how he lost; (104) - Arbok, Smeargle, Espeon;
--- Chinese Dood (90) - Uxie, Volcarona, Suicune; (84) - Latios, Suicune, Metagross; (75) - Jolteon, Togekiss, Suicune; (74) - Latios, Scizor, Porygon2;
--- Chinese Dood (74) - Starmie, Gliscor, Scizor; (72) - Metagross, Gyarados, Latias
8. NoCheese (336) - Garchomp, Suicune, Ferrothorn v2; (249) - Garchomp, Suicune, Ferrothorn v1 & how he lost; (139) - Gengar, Garchomp, Scizor; (112) - Garchomp, Milotic, Scizor
9. some_guy (250) - Shuckle, Ferrothorn, Salamence; (214) - Shuckle, Gasrodon, Salamence
10. Magicxgame (241) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune
11. twash (231) - Machamp, Chansey, Zapdos & how he lost; (175) - Rotom-H, Bronzong, Salamence & how he lost
12. poopoop (226) - Politoed, Ferrothorn, Latios
13. Jibaku (225) - Whimsicott, Registeel, Salamence & how he lost
14. Pikiwyn (217) - Shuckle, Ferrothorn, Gyarados;
---- Pikiwyn (124) - Whimsicott, Shuckle, Octillery; (123) - Whimsicott, Chansey, Butterfree; (119) - Shuckle, Ferrothorn, Cresselia
15. mhybear (215) - Whimsicott, Dragonite, Stoutland; (119) - Stoutland, Dragonite, Drapion
16. R Inanimate (206) - Ferrothorn, Chandelure, Togekiss; as "TRE" (162) - Togekiss, Garchomp, Ferrothorn; (109) - Gengar, Blissey, Froslass
17. Az_UK (204) - Dusclops, Volcarona, Dragonite
18. Crimson (193) - Gyarados, Ferrothorn, Garchomp
19. atsync (186) - Whimsicott, Bisharp, Dragonite;
---- atsync (182) - Zoroark, Suicune, Dragonite; (161) - Whimsicott, Uxie, Dragonite; (150) - Whimsicott, Cottonee, Dragonite; (118) - Sawk, Scizor, Dragonite;
---- atsync (116) - Zoroark, Haxorus, Milotic; (115) - Sawk, Ferrothorn, Dragonite; (101) - Rotom-W, Scizor, Dragonite v2; (94) - Rotom-W, Scizor, Dragonite v1 & how he lost;
---- atsync (87) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Ferrothorn; (85) - Ninjask, Sawk, Suicune; (83) - Darmanitan, Rotom-W, Latios
20. T.L. (185) - Whimsicott, Bibarel, Drapion
21. Okayadokari (181) - Latias, Registeel, Terrakion
22. lordmookie (178) - Starmie, Garchomp, Scizor
23. yadazhai (172) - Cloyster, Latios, Terrakion
24. RiggyRob (169) - Staraptor, Garchomp, Suicune & how he lost
25. Manveru123 (165) - Politoed, Ferrothorn, Thundurus; (142) - Aerodactyl, Breloom, Chansey; (140) - Whimsicott, Scizor, Suicune; (130) - Shuckle, Dragonite, Ferrothorn
26. Mr. XYZ (159) - Darmanitan, Suicune, Scizor; (92) - Darmanitan, Suicune, Haxorus
27. tebow (156) - Stoutland, Volcarona, Suicune
28. Gertle627 (155) - Salamence, Suicune, Snorlax; (123) - Darmanitan, Gengar, Ferrothorn
29. Koke (155) - Scizor, Salamence, Milotic
30. Benefactor (150) - Dragonite, Conkeldurr, Porygon2
31. kid31 (147) - Abomasnow, Mamoswine, Chandelure
32. Tomas Fer (147) - Togekiss, Latios, Garchomp
33. Meeps (146) - Tyranitar, Garchomp, Ferrothorn
34. pifou69 (146) - Chandelure, Ferrothorn, Landorus
35. SimicCombine (142) - Darmanitan, Suicune, Garchomp
36. DarthZorua (142) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune
37. Zacchaeus (132) - Dragonite, Latios, Heatran; (86) - Dragonite, Latios, Magnezone
38. emboars (129) - Machamp, Scizor, Garchomp
39. DrDimentio (129) - Whimsicott, Rotom-W, Drapion
40. Beagleman80 (128) - Garchomp, Slaking, Metagross
41. ShinyPoke25 (123) - Gengar, Suicune, Garchomp; (105) - Gengar, Suicune, Garchomp
42. abszs (123) - Tyranitar, Excadrill, Latios
43. DragonKnight321 (121) - Rotom-W, Scizor, Garchomp
44. johncgi (120) - Infernape, Latios, Gengar
45. surfingsuicune (119) - Politoed, Scizor, Dragonite
46. Purgatory (112) - Starmie, Garchomp, Scizor
47. Jimera0 (109) - Ferrothorn, Chandelure, Hydreigon & how he lost
48. Mr.L (108) - Lucario, Hydreigon, Milotic
49. Stay Gold (108) - Blaziken, Latios, Scizor
50. Stormorbiter (106) - Terrakion, Latios, Metagross
51. guitarerdood (106) - Uxie, Haxorus, Scizor
52. fluffyflyingpig (105) - Whimsicott, Uxie, Drapion
53. Taylor (105) - Thundurus, Dragonite, Cloyster
54. Scorpion (105) - Tyranitar, Excadrill, Latios; (90) - Cloyster, Latios, Metagross
55. navy823 (105) - Darmanitan, Suicune, Latios
56. cita1818 (105) - Dragonite, Heatran, Suicune
57. lucariojr (105) - Garchomp, Suicune, Ferrothorn
58. shipship (104) - Machamp, Tyranitar, Garchomp; (102) - Machamp, Scizor, Garchomp
59. Rakham (102) - Togekiss, Metagross, Latios
60. M E E P (102) - Garchomp, Ferrothorn, Chandelure; (98) - Gengar, Garchomp, Metagross; (94) - Volcarona, Ferrothorn, Garchomp; (91) - Whimsicott, Shuckle, Scrafty
61. Crowing (100) - Scizor, Milotic, Garchomp
62. kuladiamond (100) - Whimsicott, Rotom-W, Dragonite; (79) - Rotom-H, Gyarados, Bisharp
63. PeterT (100) - Mamoswine, Togekiss, Garchomp
64. Odin (99) - Starmie, Garchomp, Ferrothorn
65. popprocks (98) - Lucario, Gyarados, Garchomp
66. Pavi (97) - Machamp, Garchomp, Ferothorn
67. Ripamon (96) - Zapdos, Suicune, Garchomp
68. Oliver1224 (94) - Gengar, Whimsicott, Garchomp
69. Visog (93) - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune
70. Spotted Noble (90) - Archeops, Rotom-W, Garchomp
71. Lee & Morm (87) - Uxie, Gorebyss, Dragonite
72. ashez (82) - Hippowdon, Garchomp, Registeel; (75) - Whimsicott, Grumpig, Dragonite
73. SA1TS (79) - Drifblim, Dragonite, Bronzong
74. Marowak2000 (79) - Scizor, Terrakion, Latios
75. birdboy2000 (78) - Salamence, Articuno, Garchomp
76. ClemVen (77) - Dragonite, Ferrothorn, Darmanitan
77. White symphoni (77) - Terrakion, Ferrothorn, Gyarados
78. jeminni19 (75) - Ninetales, Exeggutor, Heatran
79. Progeusz (75) - Staraptor, Scizor, Latios
80. CarlMcQ (75) - Smeargle, Dragonite, Ferrothorn
81. Jirachi (73) - Scizor, Latios, Garchomp
Black & White Battle SUBWAY SUPER DOUBLES Records:
1. R Inanimate (919) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Scizor, Gastrodon;
--- R Inanimate (828) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Kingdra, Scizor; as "TRE" (279) - Togekiss, Garchomp, Tyranitar, Excadrill; as "TRE" (113) - Typhlosion, Whimsicott, Garchomp, Honchkrow
2. CptObvious (686) - Blaziken, Rotom-W, Scizor, Hydreigon
3. icu812 (644) - Smeargle, Blastoise, Latios, Metagross
4. fluffyflyingpig (532) - Infernape, Latios, Hydreigon, Metagross team version 3; (510) - team version 2 & how he lost; (126) - team version 1; (80) - Hitmontop, Thundurus, Latios, Metagross
5. Peterko (390) - Hitmonlee, Latios, Hydreigon, Metagross;
--- Peterko (349) - Metagross, Tornadus, Medicham, Hydreigon; (252) - Whimsicott, Terrakion, Darmanitan, Latios; (236) - Weavile, Terrakion, Suicune, Latios; (179) - Hitmontop, Latios, Hydreigon, Metagross;
--- Peterko (166) - Omastar, Hitmontop, Latios, Scizor; (160) - Starmie, Toxicroak, Latios, Scizor; (137) - Metagross, Tornadus, Hitmontop, Hydreigon; (137) - Bisharp, Zapdos, Latios, Metagross;
--- Peterko (128) - Omastar, Mienshao, Latios, Metagross; (112) - Whimsicott, Typhlosion, Medicham, Hydreigon; (95) - Arcanine, Gastrodon, Scizor, Latios; (88) - Aerodactyl, Machamp, Latios, Metagross;
--- Peterko (85) - Ninetales, Sawsbuck, Latios, Heatran; (85) - Hitmontop, Hydreigon, Zapdos, Metagross; (83) - Golurk, Zapdos, Ferrothorn, Latios; (80) - Scrafty, Latios, Zapdos, Metagross;
--- Peterko (79) - Rhydon, Staraptor, Starmie, Scizor; (74) - Manectric, Tornadus, Ludicolo, Kingdra
6. pifou69 (327) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Toxicroak, Ferrothorn
7. ~Mercury~ (303) - Tyranitar, Latios, Excadrill, Gyarados
8. Jumpman16 (252) - Whimsicott, Heatran, Latios, Togekiss v2; (246) - Whimsicott, Heatran, Latios, Togekiss v1
9. some_guy (248) - Snorlax, Bronzong, Metagross, Togekiss
10. Pikiwyn (234) - Carvanha, Entei, Latios, Scrafty
11. pokemonwargeneral (234) - Ninetales, Typhlosion, Garchomp, Cresselia
12. Groombridge (228) - Infernape, Hydreigon, Latios, Metagross
13. isshoni (224) - Mamoswine, Zapdos, Metagross, Milotic; (94) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Cradily, Milotic
14. fabsmg68 (217) - Smeargle, Slaking, Garchomp, Latias
15. UpsideDownHitmontop (214) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Ludicolo, Dragonite
16. atsync (211) - Tornadus, Infernape, Hydreigon, Swampert
---- atsync (112) - Landorus-T, Heatran, Rotom-W, Hydreigon; (99) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Latios, Kingdra; (99) - Sawk, Gengar, Metagross, Salamence; (98) - Sawk, Gengar, Metagross, Hydreigon;
---- atsync (89) - Garchomp, Azelf, Scizor, Gyarados; (84) - Garchomp, Emolga, Scizor, Rotom-W; (82) - Scrafty, Beheeyem, Metagross, Jellicent; (78) - Sawk, Gengar, Metagross, Latios;
---- atsync (76) - Beheeyem, Scrafty, Bronzong, Gyarados; (73) - Volcarona, Alomomola, Latios, Bisharp; (72) - Scrafty, Beheeyem, Metagross, Honchkrow; (71) - Abomasnow, Heatran, Froslass, Azumarill
17. Mr.XYZ (206) - Tyranitar, Excadrill, Garchomp, Eelektross; (182) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Kingdra, Scizor; (89) - Scizor, Mienshao, Gyarados, Hydreigon
18. Nickscor (199) - Mienshao, Togekiss, Latios, Metagross & how he lost; (85) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Ludicolo, Gastrodon
19. EspyJoel (193) - Tornadus, Chandelure, Jellicent, Terrakion
20. Zari (185) - Garchomp, Hydreigon, Rotom-W, Politoed; (102) - Hitmontop, Volcarona, Latios, Rotom-W
21. lolnub (177) - Pichu, Entei, Latios, Scizor; (171) - Tornadus, Heracross, Hydreigon, Metagross; (141) - Cresselia, Scrafty, Octillery, Eelektross
22. Flavor0 (171) - Alakazam, Starmie, Scrafty, Metagross; (167) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Omastar, Parasect v2;(89) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Omastar, Parasect v1;
23. Carl (164) - Politoed, Toxicroak, Ludicolo, Latios
24. Level 51 (158) - Hydreigon, Jellicent, Garchomp, Scizor
25. abszs (157) - Tyranitar, Excadrill, Latios, Garchomp
26. Biosci (154) - Rotom-W, Togekiss, Scizor, Terrakion; (124) - Terrakion, Zapdos, Ferrothorn, Gengar; (105)[/B] - Rotom-W, Hitmontop, Heatran, Scizor
27. ashez (143) - Politoed, Manectric, Ludicolo, Scizor;
---- ashez (109) - Azelf, Garchomp, Thundurus, Scizor; (95) - Thundurus, Garchomp, Zapdos, Scizor; (84) - Abomasnow, Heatran, Mamoswine, Jellicent
28. skitz0phrenic (140) - Politoed, Tyranitar, Latios, Cacturne, Heatran
29. T.L. (139) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Dragonite, Kabutops
30. Jibaku (135) - Infernape, Latios, Krookodile, Metagross & how he lost
31. Eppie (134) - Darmanitan, Thundurus, Latios, Metagross; (96) - Garchomp, Zapdos, Excadrill, Tyranitar
32. sasuke-kun19 (134) - Tornadus, Hitmonlee, Metagross, Dragonite; (82) - Infernape, Tornadus, Latios, Hydreigon
33. Mechagodzilla (126) - Tyranitar, Garchomp, Excadrill, Eelektross
34. Chinese Dood (115) - Latios, Kangaskhan, Zapdos, Azumarill;
---- Chinese Dood (100) - Ambipom, Latios, Jellicent, Heatran; (92) - Krookodile, Zapdos, Rotom-H, Metagross; (84) - Dugtrio, Terrakion, Latios, Rotom-H
35. ANNIHILATERfrank (113) - Tyranitar, Latias, Garchomp, Togekiss
36. Human (105) - 4 from Terrakion, Volcarona, Thundurus, Musharna, Landorus, Scrafty
37. EvilMario (105) - Excadrill, Tyranitar, Landorus, Garchomp
38. Jokethe (105) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Gastrodon, Scizor
39. McGrrr (105) - Typhlosion, Ninetales, Cresselia, Garchomp
40. Ashenlock (103) - Politoed, Ludicolo, Scizor, Raikou
41. Stay Gold (101) - Zapdos, Terrakion, Latios, Scizor
42. emboars (94) - Infernape, Latios, Hydreigon, Metagross
43. iss (94) - Tornadus, Terrakion, Chandelure, Hydreigon
44. AuraRayquaza (94) - Zapdos, Garchomp, Scizor, Tyranitar
45. Benefactor (91) - Scrafty, Bronzong, Reuniclus, Rhyperior
46. navy823 (90) - Tyranitar, Landorus, Excadrill, Azelf
47. Marowak2000 (88) - Scizor, Gyarados, Marowak, Rotom-W
48. Buckert (87) - Darmanitan, Thundurus, Latios, Metagross
49. feriokun (83) - Blaziken, Rotom-W, Latios, Scizor
50. RED Pyro (81) - Tyranitar, Alakazam, Rotom-W, Terrakion
51. Touko88 (80) - Reuniclus, Scrafty, Tyranitar, Eelektross
52. Mr.Marc (75) - Carvanha, Entei, Latios, Scizor
Black & White Battle SUBWAY MULTI Records (human player partner):
1. Pepdawg18 & Spidey2064 (160) - Politoed, Scizor + Ludicolo, Kingdra
2. Draco & Muppet (138) - Hydreigon, Cobalion + Infernape, Gyarados
3. R Inanimate as "TRE" with himself (113) - Togekiss, Garchomp + Bisharp, Mienshao
4. Flavor0 & Cradily (93) - Wailord, Jolteon + Tornadus, Gallade; (76) - Marowak, Machamp + Whimsicott, Hydreigon
5. Chinese Dood & Sally (83) - Reuniclus, Conkeldurr + Togekiss, Azumarill & how they lost
Black & White Battle SUBWAY MULTI Records (in-game trainer as partner):
1. R Inanimate as "TRE" (90) - Togekiss, Garchomp
P A R T 2 : Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver Battle Frontier Records, Diamond & Pearl Battle Tower Records
Link to the original topic in Stark Mountain
For clarity sake, the not Dark Green and Pink lines are the "Super Single Battle" and "Super Double Battle", not to be confused with the beginner level Dark Green "Single Battle" and Red "Double Battle" lines.
how do you even take a picture or video of it showing the streak, is there a function for that on the DS 0o? I fell short anyway, got owned by tri-attack 6 turn freeze on number 66 in super singles
Some of this information has probably been said before, but just to be thorough with notes:
-Pokemon levels in Battle Subway will be scaled upwards to 50 if below, in addition to being dropped to 50 if above. So no more Lv1 Endeavor Trick Room teams.
-There are 4 modes, Single, Double, Multi, and Wi-Fi. No Triple or Rotation battles. They probably didn't want to make a Battle Subway mode for the new and untested modes of battling.
-There are two trains types for each mode (except Wi-Fi Train), Normal, and Super train. Normal train only goes up to 21 battles where you fight the Subway Boss, and afterwards it resets back to the first battle, you need to go through the Normal train once before it allows you to go to the Super Train.
-Battle Records are stored in the VS Recorder, instead of a computer screen beside a counter
-Opponent Abilities seem to still be random, So you still get stuff like Effect Spore Breloom + Toxic Orb on Subseeding Breloom 4 in the Subway
-Dream World abilities are not used by the CPU (Some will in Wi-Fi Train)
-After battle 21 (normal and super), there is a person on the far left of the train platform that will give you a PP Up, he will give you one everytime you reach this point in the Battle Subway.
-After battle 28, there is a person on the train platform that will give you a Rare Candy.
-After battle 105, there is a person on the train platform that will give you a Lansat Berry.
-Ties do not always result in your loss. It now depends on which Pokemon faints last, the team with the Pokemon that faints last wins.
Example situations include:
Perish Song: The slowest Pokemon will faint last
Recoil Attacks: Recoil is dealt after the opponent faints
Life Orb: Damage is dealt after the opponent faints
SelfDestruct/Explosion/Final Gambit: User faints before damage is dealt
Destiny Bond: User faints before the opponent faints
Rough Skin/Rocky Helmet: Attacker takes damage from Ability/Item before the Attacked Pokemon faints
Sandstorm/Hail: Slowest Pokemon faints last
Battle Points obtained:
1st round: 3BP
2nd round: 3BP
3rd round: 10BP
1st round: 5BP
2nd round: 6BP
3rd round: 7BP
4th round: 8BP
5th round: 9BP
6th round: 10BP
7th round: 30BP
8th round onward: 10BP
CPU AI Info:
-The CPU still knows what your Pokemon's ability is before you act, with the exception of Illusion. So they will always be able to tell what your Bronzong's ability is, but will not necessarily know that you have a Zoroark out.
-The CPU will often switch if they are locked into a non-damaging move or immune'd attack by a Choice Item. They will not switch out if they are still doing damage, even if the damage dealt is miniscule.
-----They will not necessarily switch out immediately after being locked to a non-damaging move. Sometimes they stick around for a few turns.
-----They usually need to attack first before they will try to switch out, so if they lead with Porygon-Z #2 against a Gengar, they will often still try Hyper Beam once before trying to switch. I think turn one switch out is still possible but I can't remember for certain.
-The CPU AI will go for a kill if they can as usual, but with a few slight differences which mostly relate to double battles.
----If the only move they can use to KO one of your Pokemon will also damage their ally, they WILL use it at their ally's expense. This can lead to humerous enemy turns where their first Pokemon uses Dig, and their second uses Earthquake KOing the first.
----If they have multiple moves that can KO one of your Pokemon, they tend to prefer using moves that are Super Effective, or multi-targetted, and avoid using moves that damage their ally. But as stated previously, they aren't adverse to using attacks that damage their ally in order to KO one of your Pokemon.
----One of the few exceptions to going for the kill is when they have Trick and a Choice Item. They will often use trick instead (but not always)
-The CPU learned how to use Sucker Punch. They also are less reluctant to use SuperPower.
----They seem less able to use moves like Gyro Ball, and Multi-Hit moves like Gear Grind and Rock Blast
----They seem to never use Final Gambit
Trainers you face:
-You fight a selection from the first 110 trainers on the Normal Subway
-You face the remaining 190 in the Super Subway
-Beyond Battle 49, you face trainer #201-300, all their Pokemon will have IV31 in their stats
Trainer 1-6: #1-50
Trainer 7: #51-70
Trainer 8-13: #1-70
Trainer 14: #71-110
Trainer 15-20: #51-110
Trainer 21 - Subway Boss
Trainers 1-6: #111-160
Trainer 7: #161-180
Trainer 8-13: #111-180
Trainer 14: #181-200
Trainer 15-20: #161-200
Trainer 21: #201-220
Trainer 22-27: #181-220
Trainer 28: #221-300
Trainer 29-48: #201-300
Trainer 49: Subway Boss
Trainer 50+: #201-300
Trainer #1-50: 1-66
Trainer #51-70: 67-132
Trainer #71-110: 133-208
Trainer #111-160: 209-383
Trainer #161-180: 384-558
Trainer #181-200: 559-733
Trainer #201-220: 734-908
Trainer #221-300: 209-988
Pokemon Numbers refer to:
-There is an all time low on Hax items this time around, made up by an increase in Focus Sash, Life Orb, and Choice Items
-There are also much fewer Evasion Spammers and OHKO users in the list, but more Pokemon with Multi-Target moves like Rock Slide, and with Protect
-The speed range of Pokemon in the Subway is very wide, between the use of Choice Scarves and Iron Balls on many Pokemon it can make things difficult for a straight up sweep
-No more QC Metagross, or QC Rhydon. In fact, no more Rhydon.
Stuff for Trick Users to take note of?
-As there are a lot more Pokemon with Iron Ball, there are also a lot more Pokemon with Fling (19 now vs 6 before )
-36 Pokemon with Taunt vs. 5 you could face against in HG/SS Tower
-----Two of them, Thundurus 4, and Tornadus 4, have Priority on Taunt
-There are a couple Pokemon that have Whirlwind/Roar that also have Sturdy as an ability:
-----Aggron 1, Skarmory 1,2,4, Bastiodon 2, Donphan 2, Houndoom 2 (Has a Focus Sash)
-35 Pokemon with U-Turn/Volt Switch, vs 10 you could face in HG/SS Tower
Here are my Single and Double record so far. Nothing too great here yet.
Battle Subway Single Record: 109
Gengar @ Focus Sash
Nature: Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
EVs: 6HP, 252SpA, 252Spd
Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252HP, 252Def, 6SpD
Froslass @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Snow Cloak
Nature: Timid (+Spd, -Atk)
EVs: 4HP, 252SpA, 252Spd
Pretty much my team way back from DP. It doesn't work so well anymore. I changed Taunt to Trick but it didn't make too much of a difference. Basic strategy is use Counter/Blissey to gain a Pokemon advantage on the CPU then spam Destiny Bond until you win. Techno Life Orb Bullet Punch Scizor 3 wrecks the team pretty badly. Klinklang 3 also hurts this team with Shift Gears which makes it faster than Scarf Froslass and Gear Grind which bypasses Focus Sash.
Battle Subway Double Record: 113
Typhlosion @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest (+Sp.A, -Atk)
EVs: 4Def, 252Sp.Atk, 254Spd
Whimsicott @ Lum Berry
Nature: Careful (+Sp.D, -Sp.A)
EVs: 252HP, 116Def, 142Sp.Def
Garchomp @ Choice Band
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -Sp.A)
EVs: 6HP, 252Atk, 252Spd
Honchkrow @ Flying Gem
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -Sp.A)
EVs: 8 HP, 252Atk, 250Spd
A new team because GameFreak banned my old one. RIP Bronzong and Lv2 Togekiss. You served me well over the years. This team didn't work as well as I initially thought it would. It's a pretty straight forward Tailwind + Eruption team. It does badly against Legendary Pokemon trainers since they have tons of bulky fire resistant Pokemon that can really hurt Garchomp and Honchkrow. Sturdy being everywhere also reduced my ability to wipe out the opponent team with Eruption.
My best so far is 102 wins in Super Singles. Was using an entirely 4th gen team:
Machamp @ Lum Berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 102 HP, 252 Atk, 156 Speed
~ Ice Punch
~ Stone Edge
~ Bullet Punch
Still as annoying as always, and No Guard + Lum Berry works extremely well in the Battle Subway. Many pokemon try to use a status move on the first turn, and Lum Berry screws them over. Sometimes the opposing pokemon leads with Swagger, which is really hilarious because it gives me a free Swords Dance while the confusion is cured. Back in Gen IV this Machamp had Payback, but because Payback no longer has 100 power on the switch, plus a lot of Ghosts are actually slower than Machamp now, I have replaced Payback with Ice Punch. 156 speed EVs seem random, but I want Machamp to outspeed powerful pokemon like no-speed Metagross so that I can DynamicPunch them first and hopefully get some confuse hax going. Also all of these pokemon have EVs tailored for Level 100, not Level 50, because they double as my competitive metagame pokemon. Due to this I may sometimes have 4 wasted EVs or a non-optimal HP number. I don't care enough to breed seperate Battle Subway pokemon from scratch over 4 EVs somewhere.
Scizor @ Choice Band
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Atk, 10 SpDef
~ Bullet Punch
Yeah, this is awesome for picking off anything weakened that doesn't resist Bullet Punch (and even some that do), and it OHKO's frail pokemon that don't resist Steel. Not much explanation needed. EVs are once again tailored for Level 100 rather than Level 50, hence the 248 HP EVs instead of 252. Scizor is an immediate switch to Psychic pokemon such as Jynx or Alakazam that can OHKO Machamp.
Garchomp @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
~ Fire Fang
~ Swords Dance
Not as good as it was in Gen IV, but still pretty damn good. I found myself rarely using Swords Dance (too risky or not necesary), so Life Orb is the prefered item to make Outrage immediately more powerful. Life Orb grants many OHKO's with Outrage that just aren't possible with Yache/Haban or whatever. Garchomp is the fastest Dragon outside of Latias and Latios, who are handled well by Scizor, so he is the obvious choice for the Battle Subway due to his ability to beat opposing Dragons.
Being hastily thrown together, my team had some obvious weaknesses, the biggest being a glaring weakness to Flying. If my opponent led with a powerful Flying type that had Brave Bird, I usually just let Machamp die and then revenge killed it with Scizor to put the match at 2-2. Neither Scizor nor Garchomp resist Flying so I wasn't going to risk a critical hit Brave Bird getting a OHKO on them. Psychic is also a problem, but not as big, because Scizor handles most Psychic types well. However it's not always full-proof. If Starmie hits Scizor with Psychic, and then gets a critical hit Surf or Hydro Pump, my team is getting swept. In that scenario I just had to count on Scizor not getting critted so he could OHKO with U-turn. OHKO moves like Sheer Cold are also a major problem since they will always hit Machamp, but fortunately there are much fewer OHKO users this time around, and Machamp can actually outspeed and KO some of them before they can do anything.
In conclusion, this team isn't going to get a huge streaks because it has some obvious weaknesses, but battles usually end very quickly since all of my pokemon are so powerful. I got to 102 wins in no time and then lost rather quickly too. How I lost: the battle was down to 2-2, with my Machamp and the opponent's lead fainted. My Garchomp was out vs Landorus. I foolishly decided to go for a Swords Dance, thinking that Landorus can't OHKO me without a crit. I forgot that it could carry a Focus Sash, so my +2 Outrage left it at 1 HP while it 2HKOed me. I was forced to use Scizor's Bullet Punch to finish it, but the opponent's last was a Zapdos with Heat Wave, so GG me. I probably could have won if I just Outraged immediately for the 2HKO on Landorus. Garchomp outspeeds Zapdos as well and nearly KOs it with Outrage. Even if Outrage ended after 2 turns I could have sacrificed Scizor to Zapdos and then brought in Garchomp at the end for another Outrage. Oh well...
Battle Subway Link Battle (Double w/human ally)
Team Rocket Elite (126) - Togekiss, Garchomp + Bisharp, Mienshao
I was dual-wielding DSs so it's just me.
Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Modest (+SpAtk, -Atk)
IVs: 31 Speed, don't remember the rest
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd (probably, I don't really remember)
I bred this thing 4 years ago. I don't remember exactly what its EVs and IVs were. Mostly throws Air Slash around. The flinches help Bisharp and Togekiss survive longer.
Garchomp @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -SpAtk)
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
This was originally a Lv100 Garchomp so the 6 HP EV is technically a waste. Pretty straightforward clean up. Protect is mostly filler and to deal with Ice attacks a bit.
Bisharp @ Focus Sash
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -Sp.Atk)
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Spd
The 6 Speed EV lets it out run the Pokemon with 90 speed. There's a few Pokemon in the Subway with 90 speed so this helps a bit. It's not too important, though. Draws in lots of Fire and Fighting attacks which run into its Protect. You'll likely be using Protect quite a bit. Sucker Punch is used primarily when you aren't using Protect. Night Slash and Brick Break are used when appropriate. Defiant is nice for dealing with Intimidate. It's unfortunate that pretty much all Pokemon with Intimidate can just barely survive +1Atk Sucker Punch.
Mienshao @ Razor Fang (King's Rock works, too)
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -SpAtk)
EVs: 8 HP, 248Atk, 252 Spd
-Hi Jump Kick
Guaranteed flinch twice is the key here. I usually don't have to bring out Mienshao and even less often have to use Hi Jump Kick or Rock Slide. Before Mienshao hits the field, I try to wipe out both Pokemon of one of the CPU opponents. That way I fight their last two Pokemon one at a time. This also means they are locked down by Mienshaw flinching them while my other Pokemon attacks. Hi Jump Kick still hits really hard when it is needed.
CB Dragonite hurts. Especially since Dragonite has Inner Focus. It's even worse when its followed by a Scarf Garchomp. I was down to Garchomp and Mienshao and Mienshao couldn't use Fake Out. The CPU Garchomp used Outrage and KO's my Garchomp. If he hit Mienshao instead, I would have won.
You still can't turn off animations in Link Subway. Animations are generally a lot shorter in BW so it's not too bad. As before, if there's communication error your streak ends. In the little amount I've played, IR connection seemed more reliable than Wireless, but I don't actually know which one is better.
First picture is for Singles, second for Double. Bottom of the third picture is for Link. I forgot to mention that the Single and Double streaks were done in the Japanese version. I'm not aware of any differences between the Japanese and English version. Link streak was done with one Japanese game and one English game. The first picture does actually show a streak ending after 2 wins. The team in that run didn't work very well. I'm going to try it again after EV training and evolving them.
Ehm, Peterko, there was already a post about BW Subway records...
Many thanks to TRE for the speed tiers. Now all we need is for the list of each trainer's pokemon to be updated with the english trainer names.
I might as well get things started in B&W:
Trick Scarf is dead, long live Trick Scarf. Go team one attack move.
Don't forget Mental Herb block the first Taunt. Not nearly as effective as it was against the old AI, but it works, especially with Drapion now able to Accupressure behind a sub. You will lose to about a dozen leads or so (stupid Hi-Jump Kick) out of 700, but you are pretty hax proof and Drapion can pull out some wins with lucky Accupressures even on low PP setup moves. Drapion flat out beats a lot of things, and Flash is amazing, I've seen the light Jumpman. If you don't mind LONG battles and looking at TRE's massive moveset list for every fight, this is an easy way to get past 49 wins for the trophy.
AI is still pretty dumb. They will switch if locked into a status move with Trick, which is a nice improvement. However the AI will persist in trying to status you when you have a sub and they are NOT locked in via trick. And the AI will now attempt to psudo haze your boosts away with Roar/Dragon Tail even when you are behind a Sub or are on your last pokemon. It's not all rosy though, Taunt hits you behind a sub (is this new? It seems dumb that Taunt is the only move Substitute won't protect you from) . If it weren't for that Drapion would be even easier to sweep with.
EVs are the same as my 420 Uxie/Salamence/Drapion streak in SS, except Uxie now has 2 more speed to outrun Scarf Pinsir. Whimsicott is Calm +HP/SpD.
I strongly suspect Entrainment Durant with Truant from the Dream World will make the singles subway trivial once it comes out.
Infernape @ Focus Sash
Latios @ Choice Specs
Metagross @ Air Balloon
From 1 attack move to 16. Doubles is SO much faster than singles.
U-Turn defensive switches with Infernape has worked quite well so far. I originally had my old Salamence from SS running Claw/Quake/Protect/Rock Slide instead of the Hydra for Intimidate support, still not sure which is better. Hydra can switch in for Latios which is nice, but adds Fighting and Bug weaknesses. Dropped the weakened Explosion on Metagross for Ice Punch to avoid being walled by Thundaurus/Zapdos. Otherwise most sets are standards from the old doubles BT.
EVs: Plus speed nature and max speed and attack for everyone except Metagross who is Adament and has only 113 Speed for Krookodile.
Nothing much for Multi yet, just the 49 for the trophy with Infernape/Latios. I hate my AI partner.
You get 2 PP ups, a Rare Candy, and eventually a Lansat berry after 105 wins from talking to people on the platforms, each Super line will give items.
Low records and unimaginative teams from me so far, but might as well get something up so there is some discussion going.
Reposting! Dang, guess I should've done one more set before I left. Oh well. Nice work TRE! At least I'm in the lead for doubles for now. I expect you guys to be obliterating me when I get back!
TRE, you missed a rare candy and a PP up that you get from talking to people at some point, I forget where exactly.
I have seen T1 switches (in doubles!), but I have no idea what triggered it.
Speed tiers, courtesy of TRE. All items and abilities have been factored in.
225 - Pinsir 4 is a real pain thanks to Choice Scarf Guillotine.
fluffyflyingpig, that's almost the exact same team I was trying to use in the HeartGold tower, only with Jumpluff instead of Whimsicott (and it didn't have Taunt or Charm, obviously, so I had to stick with Protect and some stat-dropping move (Cotton Spore, I think? for White Herb users). Whimsicott does it WAY better, though, and I'd think Taunt would be a godsend; I eventually gave up on that team when I realized I really couldn't do anything against Belly Drum Lickilicky, and had trouble with a few other Pokemon as well. How did you lose?
So if I understand correctly, after the second Subway Boss, you will only be seeing Pokemon from #734 up? So a grand total of 254 possible Pokemon to beat, right?
There are different aspects of the Battle Subway, like team crafting, mechanics discussion, and the actual records, so I think having more than one thread is okay. It's already here, may as well make the most of it.
I've also experienced the situations described about the Scarf switches, and I noticed that the switches are kind of random if they are locked into a status category move. Is there any specific reason they switch (Like, they've used up a certain % of their locked-on move and the AI decides it's dangerous to keep going) or is it just random?
I'm going with all out sandy offence for now, seems to be holding itself well though I really dont want to face any Scrafty;
Tyranitar/Excadrill/Reuniclus. Working on a good Gen 4 Gliscor to make for a better counter for my fighting weakness, but on the other hand, Reuniclus holds itself well...
I fixed a typo in my previous post. Trainer 221-300 use Pokemon 209-988 not 909-988. I also added where you can get a Rare Candy and that Normal Subway also gives you a PP Up.
I'm fairly sure Wi-Fi mode doesn't count streaks.
I've seen and am using a team based around lowering the opponent's stats and then sweeping with a single, stat-upped pokemon. These teams get pretty easily taken down if they don't have Roar or Whirlwind if the opponent puts down a substitute. So I felt it would be important for users of this strategy to be aware of the pokemon in the line who use Substitute and what else they know:
210 | Charizard | Adamant | Salac Berry | Dragon Claw | Flame Charge | Belly Drum | Substitute | HP/Spd/SpD
225 | Marowak | Careful | Salac Berry | Substitute | Detect | Earthquake | Swords Dance | HP/SpD
266 | Tauros | Naughty | Liechi Berry | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Endure | Substitute | Atk/Spd
271 | Scrafty | Naughty | Liechi Berry | Fake Out | Bulk Up | Focus Punch | Substitute | HP/Atk
387 | Meganium | Bold | Chesto Berry | GrassWhistle | Double Team | Substitute | Rest | HP/Def
407 | Breloom | Jolly | Toxic Orb | Substitute | Seed Bomb | Wake-Up Slap | Spore | Atk/Spd
429 | Lopunny | Jolly | Liechi Berry | Charm | Focus Punch | Substitute | ThunderPunch | Atk/Spd
452 | Toxicroak | Modest | Petaya Berry | Focus Blast | Sludge Bomb | Substitute | Protect | Spd/SpA
507 | Yanmega | Modest | Sitrus Berry | Psychic | Bug Buzz | Swagger | Substitute | HP/SpA
520 | Leafeon | Naive | Liechi Berry | Leaf Blade | Giga Impact | Substitute | Yawn | Atk/Spd
571 | Serperior | Calm | BrightPowder | Leaf Storm | Substitute | Hyper Beam | Toxic | HP/Def/SpD
621 | Scrafty | Adamant | Muscle Band | Substitute | Payback | Hi Jump Kick | Focus Punch | HP/Atk
646 | Poliwrath | Adamant | Leftovers | Waterfall | Focus Punch | Encore | Substitute | HP/Atk
665 | Shuckle | Relaxed | Lax Incense | Gyro Ball | Double Team | Substitute | Power Trick | HP/Def
734 | Venusaur | Bold | Black Sludge | Leech Seed | Substitute | Sludge Bomb | Protect | HP/SpD
735 | Charizard | Adamant | Salac Berry | Belly Drum | Substitute | Fire Punch | Earthquake | HP/Atk/Spd
739 | Feraligatr | Adamant | Liechi Berry | Dragon Dance | Waterfall | Crunch | Substitute | Atk/Spd
745 | Empoleon | Calm | Petaya Berry | Surf | Substitute | Blizzard | Whirlpool | HP/SpA
747 | Emboar | Timid | Salac Berry | Substitute | Flamethrower | Focus Blast | Scald | Spd/SpA
749 | Dugtrio | Jolly | BrightPowder | Toxic | Dig | Substitute | Sandstorm | Atk/Spd
757 | Breloom | Careful | Toxic Orb | Protect | Leech Seed | Substitute | Focus Punch | HP/Def/SpD
760 | Absol | Jolly | BrightPowder | Substitute | Swagger | Punishment | Will-O-Wisp | Atk/Spd
790 | Kangaskhan | Jolly | Salac Berry | Fake Out | Endeavor | Return | Substitute | Atk/Spd
792 | Spiritomb | Careful | Custap Berry | Will-O-Wisp | Sucker Punch | Substitute | Pain Split | HP/SpD
800 | Miltank | Jolly | Salac Berry | Substitute | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spd
803 | Gothitelle | Modest | BrightPowder | Substitute | Flatter | Psych Up | Psychic | HP/SpA
851 | Mandibuzz | Careful | Leftovers | Substitute | Swagger | Punishment | Roost | HP/Def/SpD
941 | Tornadus | Modest | Leftovers | Substitute | Double Team | Focus Blast | Hurricane | HP/SpA
958 | Cobalion | Jolly | Lax Incense | Swagger | Substitute | Psych Up | Iron Head | Atk/Spd
986 | Cresselia | Bold | BrightPowder | Psychic | Substitute | Toxic | Trick Room | HP/SpD
Some things to note:
-You don't face any Substitute users until #210 Charizard, so there aren't any of them in the normal line or in the Super line until fight #15.
-Charizard and Scrafty have more than one set with Substitute.
I'll edit in more later if it proves to be useful.
(Thanks to Team Rocket Elite for the list)
And in super doubles and multi trains i used fluffyflyingpig's team
"Infernape @ Focus Sash
Latios @ Choice Specs
Metagross @ Air Balloon
and i got the trophy in multi train (49 steak)and 94 steak in super double train .and replaced hydreigon's hyper voice with dark pulse which is better to take down psychics .biggest threat was psychics and ice pokemon (specially choise scarf starmie.in this case i used fake out on starmie and while he couldnt move KO with latios's thunderbolt) heres the proof
and all trophies
If I get a record, would a battle video be sufficent proof? Doesn't It show the battle number before the video starts? I'm only asking this because my computer is wierd with uploaded photos.
So I finally managed to get my first big streak
Darmanitan @ Choice Scarf
252 Att 252 Spe
Suicune @ Leftovers
Relaxed (the shiny wifi thing)
252 Hp 252 SpA
Haxorus @ Focus Sash
252 Att 252 Spe
Dragon Claw (Filler)
Suicune with Scald was a fucking beast and could Set Up on pretty much everthing.
Lost to a hyperbeam crit followed by really really bad misplay... I guess i was too tired^^
Good job. It's nice to see Darmanitan get some love.
It´s because ( ah i love this english phrase) it HITS LIKE A TRUCK :D
On Platinum, I got to 70-something in the Battle Arcade with this team, I don't have proof right now as I don't know how to exactly use a camera with a computer (lol) but I'm not looking to be on that list anyways, so it wouldn't matter; I'm just saying the team I used :P
My team was
Scizor @ Depends on the board result
Obligitory Choice Bander. Not much to say about this, as EVERYONE knows how it works. :P
Salamence @ Depends on the board result
252Spe/216Attack/40SpA I think
MixMence, a DD'ing one. Not much to say about this either, just setup and sweep.
Starmie @ Depends on the board result
Boring unoriginal team, but it was needed to get that far into the Arcade :L if I could use awesome Pokes like Dunsparce to get that far, I totally would..
phew...started to play the subway yesterday (btw. the game is awesome)
...and it´s really difficult
my first three streaks were 29, 43 and now 39...with starmie, garchomp and skarmory (the team I used to quickly get to 42 or 49 in platinum)
it seems to me that game freak sort of checked the records topic and made it much more difficult for the teams that worked well in the last generation...
I mean they made a special move in sacred sword just to ignore your stat boosts, dear registeel...then there´s moves that always CH, which again ignores your boosts...sturdy, omg sturdy...
starmie is still "good", but nowhere near as effective as it was before...sturdy has to be the most broken ability in the game and the ability is spread around pokémon starmie would want to beat...you simply can´t just sweep like before
examples for starmie:
Sawk - haha psychic OHKO? nope sturdy and payback...
Crustle - it survives the surf with sturdy and x-scissors you
other things I noticed: stuff uses sucker punch, stockpile rest snore walrein beat starmie, the worker who made up the no attack meganium should be sued...sawk has sturdy but throh doesn´t even need that to survive a STAB LO psychic...holy shit volcarona survives the surf, so did chandelure iirc...focus sash is everywhere...I can´t beat ferrothorn even if my life depended on that lol...stuff uses sash-destiny bond and TR destiny bond etc.
starmie is not the only one nerfed, with the ridiculous number of air baloon electrics garchomp is forced to outrage much more and that sucks...of course they send out a steel type to absorb it and then garchomp spends his time hurting itself in confusion, I feel the % is like 80-90 for me haha (used a yache, just now I got enough BP to get sash)...I mean what´s the point of using a garchomp if you can´t quake electric pokémon? also the sash shard abomasnow is like the perfect garchomp counter
surprisingly, skarmory still works quite well and stops a lot of physical attackers who don´t have stat boosting moves
my first streak (29) ended because at that time I couldn´t afford a life orb for starmie so I only had timid expert belt...I didn´t 2HKO some ice type that I would´ve with LO, didn´t use the database and didn´t know what to expect from one of the new pokémon...oh yeah vanilla ice beat me in the end, lol...
second streak (43) - lost to a fisherman...I think I lost starmie to vaporeon, garchomp finished it off and then SDed in front of poliwrath which subpunched...this is kind of hazy, but I outraged to finish it off after breaking its substitute with quake, don´t know why I outraged...anyway the trainer has one pokémon who resists dragon type moves in his roster and of course, empo was his last pokémon...skarmory didn´t do enough damage with brave bird and lost to an icy wind CH and surf...
third streak (39) - I lost to a rain/pure water team (parasol lady hilary), they´re not easy to handle with this team...she starts off with a dewgong that stockpiles but gets 2HKOed by bolt, out comes the pain that is kingdra...don´t know the set (could be all 4), it uses rain dance and psychic does just over 50% for sitrus to kick in, next psychic brings it to red after being hit by a rain boosted hydro pump (last time I faced this one, it used dragon pulse and I barely won that game by sacrificing skarm)...after starmie faints I go to garchomp, which now holds a sash...survives the ice beam and quakes, 2-1...out comes that water/ground frog (seismitoad?) I met during the story, but have no clue about its abilities nor stat distribution...long story short, chomp didn´t get to outrage, because apparently one of toad´s abilities is swift swim and it was the last turn of rain...skarmory has EVs in defense not in sp.def so it didn´t stand a chance against rain boosted muddy water (I should´ve tried to brave bird CH or something but I didn´t and it rain danced again, which meant game over for me)...
despite the trouble, I really enjoy to play the subway, if only because almost every battle is a real challenge...starting from super battle 1...also I´m slowly getting to know the new pokémon (I´m certain about their type, stat distribution is worse...for example I learned that I have to attack that crystal face thing on the physical side because of its pitiful defense)
...when I get enough BP to buy the other items, I´ll probably transfer over one of the double teams to see how well it does
good luck to everyone playing
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