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 Hipmonlee May 27th, 2011 7:45:51 PM

partial trapping moves on NB

are glitched. Worse than we thought.

From Kamex's RBY stuff guide:
Quote:
 Wrap does damage for 2-5 turns. There is a 37.5% chance that it will attack for 2 turns, a 37.5% chance that it will attack for 3 turns, a 12.5% chance that it will attack for 4 turns, and a 12.5% chance that it will attack for 5 turns.
This isnt implemented, they seem to attack for each number of turns with the same probability.

IE they do on average 16.67% more damage per usage than they ought to. It's a pretty serious glitch.

Have a nice day.

 Umby May 27th, 2011 7:53:53 PM

How/when did you find this out?

 Hipmonlee May 27th, 2011 8:01:08 PM

Last night when I battled EW with a team full of onixes against a team full of onixes.

We used Bind 316 times, it hit 236 times, and the moves continued 586 times. Which is roughly 2.5 continues per hit -exactly what you would expect if it was continuing each amount of times with equal probability (bear in mind that there were some continues cut off due to KOs, though a very small number).

Have a nice day.

 Arcticblast May 27th, 2011 8:03:05 PM

Pardon me asking, but... why exactly were you having a battle with twelve Onix?

 Hipmonlee May 27th, 2011 8:05:06 PM

To test whether partial trapping moves were glitched or not.

My maths was off, they do 16.67% more than they ought to per hit. Still pretty significant.

Have a nice day.

 t3h Icy May 27th, 2011 8:11:12 PM

1 3/8 = 3/8
2 3/8 = 6/8
3 1/8 = 3/8
4 1/8 = 4/8
=16/8 = 2 continues per use on average.

1 1/4 = 1/4
2 1/4 = 2/4
3 1/4 = 3/4
4 1/4 = 4/4
=10/4 = 2.5 continues per use on average

586 continues over 236 hits is 2.483....

So it looks like Netbattle is bugged.

 133tSneasel May 29th, 2011 12:02:34 PM

Couldn't you have use Tangela? or Pokemon with Wrap?

 Ereborus Nyx May 29th, 2011 1:38:26 PM

nah, onix is the only way froward, plus, things like bind and wrap are NFE on it, so more time for analysis

 420 May 29th, 2011 3:02:48 PM

how BORED do you have to be to do this?

 Ereborus Nyx May 29th, 2011 3:29:47 PM

very bored and slightly senile

 Parasol_Kirby May 29th, 2011 6:05:53 PM

Good find! Even so, it reminds me of that section from the premier issue of The Smog:

Quote:
 The Smogon University Journal - Immediately what springs to mind is that this magazine is going to be some bone-dry academic piece full of boring figures and tl;dr written by people with little in their lives but Pokémon. Imagine Jumpman and Tangerine in dusty tweed jackets and glasses so thick that they double up as Choice Specs while they sit in an office drinking cranberry juice from tea cups and discussing the optimal distribution of the 4 EVs left over in your garden-variety 252/252 spread. This is the Smogon University Journal.

 t3h Icy May 29th, 2011 9:16:37 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Fat DL13 (Post 3550919) nah, onix is the only way froward, plus, things like bind and wrap are NFE on it, so more time for analysis
?_?

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Fat 420 (Post 3551206) how BORED do you have to be to do this?
Hold CTRL + Spacebar and you're done in minutes at most.

 Destiny Warrior May 29th, 2011 10:26:56 PM

I think people should stop criticizing this kind of bug testing. They've obviously taken effort to do this.

 Pocket Jun 1st, 2011 4:49:38 PM

To whom could we report this bug? It would be nice to adhere loyally to the actual mechanics. It can make quite a difference.