[BW-OU] French Orgy with Belzebuth(Peaked 3#)
Hi all, I've played the 5th generation for a long time now. It is a metagame that strongly disappointed me at first, but one that I eventually became interested in. I've had the opportunity to make a great deal of teams as the metagame has evolved, including Trick Room, Sandstorm, and Sun, and I was able to contribute to the many votes that have shaped the metagame thanks to the results I've had on ladder.
I've been playing competitive Pokémon for 2 years now and I turned out to be a rather particular player in the sense that I dislike playing as many games as everybody else. It is not a question of gimmicks, but my style is rather complex and I'm not quite sure how to describe it. What I am sure is that I like to crack down on my opponents, make them think and try to guess their thoughts; it is what we call the "mind game". I like this type of thinking as it leads to a more nerve-wracking and interesting match which is very much to my taste. Furthermore, I think that it offers a better "show" to those who spectate the match.
Ikuso! I'm gonna present to you the team that I am the most proud of and the one that gave me the most pleasure to play (with some trick room). It is indeed a Sun team which has nothing particular at first glance but is totally innovative in the way it works. This team is the final version of a team which has continued to change as time goes by and even during the world cup. Here is the final version which allowed me to obtain very good results ( Peaked 5# with 1496 on smogon on the 08/28) and (Peaked 3# with 1525 on smogon on the 09/20) on the ladder but also during the World cup even if it seems that haxx loved me so much. My Pokémon's moves are not 100% accurate and that's why the unlucky will thus have to abstain.
Ninetailes (Feunard) @ Leftovers
Trait : Drought
EVs : 88 HP / 252 SAtk / 168 Spd
Nature : Timid ( +Spd / -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Solar beam
- Hidden power [Ice]
- Sunny day
Ninetailes is one of the big winners in this 5th generation because he follows the example of Tyranitar. Indeed thanks to Drought he brings his own climate which is the sun when he comes into the field. Without him this team would not have been able to exist. Thus let us get straight to the point and let us analyze his set.
Thundurus (Fulguris) @ Expert belt
Trait : Prankster
EVs : 192 Atk / 64 SAtk / 252 Spd
Nature : Timid ( +Spd / -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Hammer Arm
- Hidden power [Ice]
Well, I put him in second, but he is the last one Pokémon to have completed the team. It is not there to say " Hello I am too sturdy, a place in the team is missing invite me ! I am the special fill hole of this 5th generation! " Not, it is not really that. He even became almost irreplaceable in the team.
Let's analyse the set:
Emma-ō (Heatran) @ Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs : 252 HP / 104 Def / 124 SAtk / 28 Spd
Nature : Modest ( +SAtk / -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Magma Storm
What to say... My pride simply. Sometimes he disappoints me to make beauty misses but well 75 % of accurency in not ugly. Quite a lot of persons think that it is normal to miss it while that has the same precision as Wow in 5G...
Asura (Triopiquer) @ Focus Sash
Cap.Spé : Arena Trap
EVs : 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Nature : Jolly (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Sucker Punch
Ah! The Key˛ (dedication to Ro ˛ lool) of the team. Only this key opens roughly only 2 doors:d. Indeed, his role is limited to Trap. Either Tyra, or Politoed but also and "especially" Heatran who is the best Volcarona's counter if he has roar. His last role will be to put SR.
Venusaur (Florizarre) @ Leftovers
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Sunny Day
- Sleep Powder
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Venusaur... Welcome here in my world :d When everybody plays him with growth I play him with Sunny day not to say " hello kikoo" but by the fact that the whole team wants him to have it. Rather than to be the finisher it is the pillar of the team, the MOST important one. It is mainly around him whom the team turns and not with Ninetailes as we could think of it, Ninetailes is important of course but it has for role to entice and to weaken the opposite team. Once died, the opponent will feel safe while it is not the case thanks to Venusaur.
Let's go for the explanation of the set:
Lucifer (Pyrax) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flame Body
EVs : 144 PVs / 84 Def / 120 Atq Spe / 160 Vit
Nature : Timid ( +Spd / -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Quiver Dance
- Morning Sun
- Bug Buzz
Finally! My big very favorite of this 5th generation. According to me, this Pokémon should being Uber. I have already vaguely speak about him to some of you but this Pokémon is a real devil Oo. He is capable of set up on many Pokémons, and by on whatever! He can on Pokémons which we find in the top 20 of the biggest uses. He has a really enormous special defense, a special attack rather high and a quite good speed. Add the new present of the 5G aka Quiver Dance increasing by a level your special attack, special defense and speed. Of type fire and also and especially Bug which is really welcome in my team.
Let's go for the more in-depth analysis:
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/612.pngHaxorus - As for Dragonite I will take care of him with Tran. Most of the time he is playing in a clear skies, then HP ice from Tailes + Earthpower from tran kill him.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/645.pngLandorus - Ah! Here he is, the biggest threat of the team in his scarf version! Well, here is all about anticipation and weather war. If Tyra died, Venusaur takes care of him without too much difficulty.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/381.pngLatios - As I explained it in the analysis of the team, Heatran will make him run away (2HKO by Magma storm under sun if he wants to stay) and trap Politoed. When I have the sun, it is good. Otherwise, that can become a little more complicated.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/579.pngReuniclus - If SR are set up, the TR version can be painfull.Hopfully, under sun all my fire move + sucker punch from Dug kill him.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/639.pngTerrakion - Not easy to handle under SS. Thundurus will help a lot, Heatran too + Duggy.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/642.pngThundurus - Especially the T-wave version. Tailes does like 85% or OHKO the Naive version. If he comes on Venu, I will send my own Thundurus and use T-wave too.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/641.pngTornadus - It depends a lot of the weather war. If my oppenent doesn't have SR and if I killes Politoed then Volcarona at +1 or Venusaur if I have SR, Heatran if still alive.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh...images/485.pngHeatran - I HAVE TO ANTICIPATE HIM, explose his balloon and then send Dugtrio hopping being not burn ^^. As I said earlier, he is the main Target for Dugtrio even if Tyranitar is in my oppenent's team because Volcarona can't sweep until Heatran is alive. Thanks, my Heatran outspeed him ^^
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-wh.../images/73.pngTentacruel - Yes, because he takes nothing on a Fireblast, solar beam, Earthpower and Earthquake from Dug is not an OHKO most of the time, then my oppenent can switch and switch again on Politoed.
Here is the end! This team is really not for begginer, even very good player will not be able to play it because it asks so many "things". You have to know perfectly about the team first and about the metagame then. This team doesn't work as a standard team because of sunny day, the differents combos etc.
As you can see ( I recieved so many mp saying " You have no spinner, it is a big problem no? ") I have no spinner, no place for it that's why you have to play carrefuly. SR Setuper are Tyranitar, Blissey, Jirachi, nattorei,Foretress > With the Ninetailes pressure + Taunt Heatran you should be able to avoid your oppenent of puttting SR except for Tyranitar, if you anticipate well and send Dug it is ok. The other SR setuper are Heatran, here you can use Heatran but you really want to kill him, he will put SR most of the time and Deoxys-S for sure... You have to do with it. Don't forget that Venusaur is a pain for the oppenent and don't forget that Volcarona has a god's spread ^^
I really take pleasure to build this team and I wanted to waste a lot of time for the presentation of this RMT because during the World cup, I thought I will stop Pokémon after it. So I wanted to do something very beautifful + I really think that this team is so different from the others...I'm still thinking about stoping Pokémon but thanks to the smogon tour, even if I'm able to play only once a week (because of Macdonald ^^') It motivates me, thanks to the Smogon staf.
So, I hope you will enjoy it and sorry for my English which is not perfect yet ^^
Edit: Thanks to Zephyr, Fatecrashers and Kevin_Garrett because they help me a little concerning the grammar :)
I'm not gonna lie, two things; Excellent teambuild, but I choked witht his thing r1 of #dreamworld tournament lol. The team itself is pretty good and I think actually if you give Volcarona a Sub you'll be much better off against Landorus and Reuniclus (Scarf still outspeeds which sucks). That's the only really major thing that I could think of, though if you honestly have that many problems with Landorus you could run Chlorophyll Tangrowth; you can't outspeed Deoxys-S but most of them can't touch Volcarona, so you should be fine for most versions with smart playing. You also do good against quite a few Tyranitar these days which is a plus. Hope this rate helped, and good luck!
Not a rate, just two comments.
First, love the heatran picture lol, really bad ass.
Second, love the idea of Sunny Day on Ninetales. Sunny Day on Tar / hippo / toed switch ins and safely beam away...sounds pretty cool.
cool sun team. The only thing I'm going to critique is Ninetales and lack of Rapid Spinner. I run a very similar set, with some minor changes. I'll post it in a hide tag at the bottom. The special attack stat you want to hit is 253 which means you want 224 SAtk EV. This gives you a clean 3HKO on max TTar and max Politoed. That gives you enough room for more bulk.
Also Stealth Rock's wrecks 5/6 members of your team and you don't have a Rapid SPinner. I reccommend running a Physically Defenisve Donphan. It will offer a safe switchin into Excadrill, which you don't have. Preferably over Dugtrio. 252 HP/252 Def/4 Atk Stealth Rock, Rapid Spin, Earthquake, Ice Shard.
Your Ninetales set is pure genius. This team is fantastically well made, has excellent synergy. One thing though, you say opposing Heatran can cause issues for your team, but if it runs Air Balloon, Thunderus can outrun it and hit it with Hammer Arm, and if it runs any other item ( including Choice Scarf), then Dugtrio traps and KOs with Earthquake.
Excellent job on the team, good luck.
I see right off the bat that you are EXTREMELY WEAK TO STEALTH ROCK! You have no spiner, and 3 of Pokes, including your MVP, Volcarona, are weak to it. To remedy this, I recommend replacing Thundurus with Starmie.
Starmie @ Lefties
Trait: Natural Cure | Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP, 252 SAtk, 252 Spd
Rapid Spin/Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/Recover
Starmie would not only protect you from SR, but it's Ice Beam would give you a way of shutting down dragons who threaten you. You would still be protected from Terrakion, as Starmie can take it outside of sun, and Venusaur can take it in the sun.
Other than that, it's a nice team, and I really like those pics. ;)
nice team dude! those are some pretty bad ass pictures. where did you get them?
i would forfeit to give you the win just because of those ridiculously bad ass pictures haha.
by the way, fiery dance > fire blast on volcarona. after it knocks off something, it has a 50% of increasing its already humongous sp.attk even more, and most of the time you do get the boost. fire blast also misses, which is not worth it
other than that, you do need a spinner. a sunny day team with volcarona without a spinner makes me uncomfortable
Dude. Sick Sick RMT. I absolutely love the pics, format and everything about it.
First of all, your Ninetails and Venusaur combination have made Duggy pretty obsolete. Your team is already pretty much designed to bait out and kill the opposing weather summoners. The only thing really its doing is beating Heatran. I suggest using a Choice Band Scizor in this slot instead. It patches up your Reuniclus weakness. Your team is also bound to have troubles against DD Dragons, especially Dragonite and Salamence. Its not like Scizor was ever going to survive a fire move in the first place, and Heatran is there to absorb.
As for fixing up the Heatran issue. I suggest swapping to a Substitute Volcorona. Offensive Heatran has no business vs Volcorona, and Specially defensive can be brute forced through with Substitute shielding you from Toxic.
As well, I suggest running HP Grass over Taunt on Heatran so you can smack Poli harder before going out. You're not using Taunt much anyways.
Love your Sun-team and your presentation! It makes me want to start playing Drought again MHMM.
Anyways, I agree with at least testing Chlorophyll Tangrowth. It's incredibly bulky on the physical side and will take on the priority fighting-type moves that Heatran hates. Give it max Speed and a set of Power Whip / Hidden Power Fire / Growth / (Earthquake or Rock Slide or Sleep Powder or Sunny Day). I think you might be pleasantly surprised by the results!
If you opt for Earthquake on Tangrowth, it can take on Heatran after you sac a Pokemon and OHKO. Then perhaps you could put Sunny Day Espeon with a Heat Rock on your team? That would alleviate Stealth Rock for the rest of your team while giving you an answer to Thundurus. But whatever you decide upon, I think that this team PROVES that Sun-based teams don't need Rapid Spin support. Methinks our playing styles might be a little similar, and I can relate to the idea of not needing one. Your goal isn't to switch around a whole bunch. It's to dent huge holes with Fire-type moves under Sun to win the game. So absolute congratulations on that.
I dunno, these are some crazy suggestions that probably aren't optimal. You seem very set with your team. Kudos!
Bloody fantastic team, bloody fantastic RMT. Did you do the artwork yourself? Bloody wicked stuff man.
Not much to say except I feel that Dugtrio is more or less obsolete in today's metagame and even on your team to an extent. Try Excadrill instead. Not only can he Rapid Spin, he can function as a last-ditch effort too crush Sand Teams if ever your Ninetales goes down. You definitely need a Rapid Spinner on this team. If you don't want to use Excadrill, Scarf Starmie with BoltBeam can function as a useful revenge killer against Dragons and Landorus, and also Spins. Unfortunately, Rapid Spin isn't the best of moves to be locked into...
Amazing team Grimm. I think this team has reached its potential. The is very little room for improvement. Rapid Spin Starmie may be worth a shot over over Thundurus, but other than that this team is damn near perfect. Honestly, there doesn't really seem to be a place for a spinner. Nothing is really worth replacing, seeing how Thunderus ruins Double Dance Terrakions "fun".
If thundurus will be ban, I will try Starmie then but with a different move set I guess.
WarriorPrince> Thanks a lot for this rate, you perfectly understand the team and you are totaly right in what you said.
Zurich> Thanks for the comment. Concerning Sub Volcarona, I don't understand how he will help me against Landorus because if I 'm predicting well I can kill him + the fact is that without spinner I can't use SubVolcarona.
About Tangrowth, he is a good element for some sunny team but I can't replace Venusaur. First, Venusaur is faster and faster than Politoed which is very important. Venusaur can tank an Ice beam from Scarf Poli whereas Tangrowth can't. Maybe against Thundurus? I will think about it.
Aldaron> Thanks ^^
Dezza Laa> I need 252 Evs in Tailes because after SR, it is not a 100% chance of killing Dragonite with HP[Ice] and I really need to do a maximum of damage. There is not only Tyranitar and Politoed but also Rotom-W which is KO afater a fireblast + solar beam ( I'm not sure it is the case with your version ) and for other reasons.
About Donphan, you suggest me to replace Dugtrio who is in a combo with Tran...If I won the weather war against a RD, I don't care about SR. Against a Sandstromr team it is different but there is then to many ways for my oppenent to put something into Donphan like jellicent or I don't know. What do I have to do against a scald? get a free burn on Venusaur? This is not a good idea :(
Thanks for the comment and trying to help :)
CaseyL> Wow, I really enjoyed this rate. Thanks a lot. But concerning Heatran, the fact is that he will put free SR if he has ballon and then runaway when I will siwtch with a "counter ". This is the main problem because then he can roar and Volcarona is not able to handle him :(
Pippy> Yes it's true but Starmie, do you really think he will help? Well with HP[Fire] maybe but not with this set. What can I do against a Jellicent? What can I do against Ferothorn if he his my openent's SR? Starmie is not a bad idea but I need an offense pressure. Imagine ferothorn coming on my Starmie, What I have to do then? Free T-Wave for him. Same for jellicent, I will not be able to spinn, not be able to hit Blissey etc.
Thanks for all btw, as you can see, it is not easy to find solutions :(
undisputed> I remembered I tape the French, american and Japonese names on Google. I found all of them with the English ones. But then, I used Photoshop in all of them. ( Thanks ^^)
WhiteQueen> Lol thanks for the pictures ^^ Concerning Fiery dance, it is a pretty good move for Volcarona but I really need Fireblast on my Volcarona because the team need it. If you didn't, try to take a look to what I wrote on the Volcarona description please.
New World Order> Thanks, I really enjoyed your rate.
About Scizor, I have to say that Dug is not obsolete as you said :( and concerning Hp grass it is not usefull wit only 70BS. + I use Taunt in like ervey match. Dragoons like Tias, Dragonite if roost, Blissey, Pokémons who puts SR like Foretress, Bliss, Tyranitar if traped by Vortex magma. It helps against Jellicent. He loves coming into Heatranunder Sun. Taunt and then I can kill a Jellicent losing only like 30% maximum of my life ^^. Taunt helps against Volacrona too and against BP team.
Birkal> Thanks for the rate man and for your support ^^
Box>Oo omg, I really didn't expect comments like that. I really do not regret to take all this time to write this RMT then. Thanks all of you.
Concerning Excadrill, i already tested it some monthes ago with a very old version of this team but he is not apropriate :( Same for Starmie as I said in a previous quote.
Thanks again all. I really enjoyed your rates :)
Hmm... I'm not really sure what function Dugtrio is serving. You've got your bait Ninetails and Heatran to lure it in. The first which could dispose of Politoed with Solarbeam, and the latter which can trap it for Thundurus to finish off. If both those strategies fail. You can always sac Ninetails to make your opponent feel safe about getting Toad in. Then Venusaur comes out and wins you the match in basically one move. Tyranitar is even more pathetic. Same deal with Ninetails. Solarbeam is going to hit Tyranitar pretty hard without that nice special defense sand boost to hide behind. Heatran too, can easily trap Ttar and have Thundurus finish things off with a Hammer Arm.
If I'm not mistaken, Magma Storm traps opponents for at least 2 turns. If you're worried about the trap wearing off, then I suggest a new move on Heatran: Explosion. You go out with a bang for turn 1 as the opposing weather inducer wastes a turn doing whatever. Then on turn 2, Hammer Arm/ Thunderbolt from Thundurus seal the deal. Earth Power probably has the least utility for your team, so its the best candidate for replacing with Explosions.
I'd give you a Luvdisc. But I don't seem to be allowed to. Anybody know why?
If you want to give luvdiscs, you have to send a special permission application to Bloo.
Grimm, you photoshopped all these? That's damn good dude. Also dugtrio is a good idea don't worry about it. I can't think of anything off the bat that wouldn't make you weaker. It's BW; you'll always be open to something no matter what you use.
Lol undisputed I didn't draw those Pokémon, I photoshoped the colors, for exemple that was the Dugtrio at the begining:http://s3.noelshack.com/upload/86191...0787f99101.png
New world order> I know understand the problem :d Vortex magma is trapping only when heatran is on the battlefield. After a switch or after he dies magma storm effects are done.
I understand what you mean, but if Dugtrio's Focus Sash isn't in tact, it won't be able to OHKO TTar... I would seriously consider changing Dugtrio for Donphan and giving Heatran Max SAtk, a power herb and Solarbeam, It sounds gimmicky yes, but once someone did this to my Politoed and it was a clean OHKO. Many will get cocky and leave Politoed in on Heatran, especially under Rain, so at least consider that.
Either way if Dugtrio has lost his Focus Sash he will be doing pathetic damage to Politoed. Heatran has the surprise factor, and will do plenty of damage to Politoed, regardless of full health or not. And then you can Solarbeam on Ninetales which is another surprise ._.
The fact is that you have to consider who are able to put SR in this 5th generation. There is:
Ferothorn, Tyranitar, Blissey/Chansey, Jirachi, Forteress, Deoxys-S, Donphan.
I can see them most of the time. Heatran outspeed Fero, Tyra, Bliss, Foretress and Donphan. Do you think Jirachy want to use SR in front of Heatran? Then the big problem for my team is Deoxys-S.
Now, if you consider most of the RD team it is Ferothorn who will put SR, It will be very very very hard for him to put it against a Ninetailes with Sunny day. Most of the time the only problem I have is the 30% from Scald which is BS.
Against a TSS( = team sandstorm), Tyranitar is the main Pokémon using SR. Well not really, today it is Heatran I guess which is bull shit for my team :d
Concerning heatran it is rarely an OHKO. I already thought to a Sunny day + solar beam version but... I prefer the set I have... Because, yes, I'm proud of it being alone to use it and to combine it with Dugtrio.
Awesome team.Just curious,what do you do against other volcaronas?Especially the ones with hp ground
Deoxys-S leads or even suicide forretress leads could cause your team trouble. Sun teams shouldn't have such a glaring rock weakness.
Then again most of the rapid spinners suck :(
Lol Stunt, I know, I know :(
@ Dezza Laa
Doesn't rain make Solarbeam's power 60? HP Grass will do more, so long as it has 70 power.
White Herb negates the halving of Solar Beam as well.
Yea, Dugtrio is pretty clutch for this team, especially since Heatran walls half the team (even more if it has Air Balloon). If you read Grimm70's discussion, Magma Storm + EP + 2 EQ is a kill on Politoed. Most hazard layers for Rain teams are Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Tentacruel, all handled by Heatran / Venusaur. Ninetales has SunnyBeam, which is a great counter-measure against Politoed anyhow, and Venusaur with Lefties can tank a hit from Politoed as well, and set up Sunny Day.
Power herb works under water too with a 120 BP for Solar beam.
I love volcarona, heatran, thundurus pictures rly xD. Heatran loos like wtf is that? xD However, That's a cool sun team. I would try Specs Overheat or Eruption heatran, Is a beast in Sun teams and a darmatian Scarf w/ flare blitz. Both are really powerfull. Also, make that volcarona 252 sp atk 252 spe Fiery Dance, Bug Buzz, Hp Ground, Quiver Dance. It's a better set and use a good spinner. :D Good Luck!
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