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np: RU Stage 1 - Welcome to the Jungle!
Well, RU is finally off the ground! The tier has shaken up a bit with the bans of Yanmega and Venomoth, and due to usage stats a significant amount of pokemon are jumping between tiers. Charizard, Sawsbuck, Tangrowth, and Victreebel are now part of RU, while Cresselia, Blastoise, Rhyperior, Golurk, Umbreon, and Stoutland moved up and out of the tier to UU and Gastrodon skipped right up to OU.
(stolen from Jabba's UU thread)
I'll try to keep you updated on what will be happening with the suspects, but as of right now, we don't fully know what's going on either. With that said, please keep the focus on metagame discussion. And by discussion, I mean backing up your ideas with sound evidence. If you want to post about how Snover counters every Entei set in existence or how Medicham is an underrated switch into Sableye then that's fine, just make sure you back it up with calcs. In case it wasn't clear, don't make one sentence posts. |
Oh cool. Anyways, with the tiers updating, I've been playing with sun recently. Charizard is WAY too strong. For example, Charizard is able to OHKO Entei after rocks with FIRE BLAST so long as the sun is up. Charizard has just enough of a movepool to hit every pokemon he needs to hit.
Munchlax->Focus Blast Altaria->Dragon Pulse Bulky Waters->SolarBeam / HP Grass This is a log from the VERY FIRST BATTLE I had, it's a great representation of what he always does and why he's just too strong for the tier
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That log is just one example of his raw power and how he shouldn't be in this tier. |
Lol that's funny. It seems like Charizard wasn't even packing Life Orb to be devastating. Unless Druddigon and NFE Dragons are common, you may prefer HP Rock > Dragon Pulse so you can hit the more common Fire Types without worrying about misses. It's also SE against Mantine, if it ever increases in usage.
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The bugs are banned, a lot of good Pokemon have left to UU. Ru is about to be shaken up. I'm looking forward to this, sun teams should be pretty powerful this stage with all the new abusers and priority sunny days. I'll have to try a team at some point.
The next Pokemon I imagine will need to have a watchful eye over them will be Honch, Porygon-Z and Gallade. But that's just my opinion. |
Your opponent tried to Will-O-Wisp a Charizard. Your argument is invalid.
Anyways, this looks to be an amazing tier, and with The Bug Types gone, the tier is far more balanced. I did a little dance (after a double take) when I saw "np:..." in the RU subforum. |
Dragon Pulse is illegal with Solar Power, for the record.
Losing Yanmega and Venomoth hurts my hyper offense team a bit, but I can replace one of them with Magic Guard Alakazam, and a lot of the strongest walls are gone as well. I'll have to watch out for Sun teams though. |
I'm even more excited for Trick Room now since that stupid Cresselia can't wall Marowak anymore. Basically, the number of annoying stuff has risen into UU while nothing annoying except Tangrowth has dropped. Rhyperior gone means you don't have to worry it about "outspeeding" the faster stuff!! And the sheer power of Yanmega is gone, so the trick room users can invest a little more in offensive capability. Woo. also, music?
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Just a thought, but wouldn't making a list of pokemon currently in RU in the OP be handy to see what can be discussed and what can't?
On topic: Ah! No more worrying about a dragonfly raping teams with ease anymore. With many changes in the tier, I can't wait to see what people come up with to ladder. That said, I should probably dive into the team builder and find things out for myself. Also at that log, what tomtom said. Really? Attempting to burn a Fire-type with WoW? No lack of inexperienced players it seems... |
Damn it! All of these drop downs troll my favorite pokemon... Charizard and Typhlosion in the same tier? Its going to be hard to justify using Typhlosion over Charizard and his Solar power goodness. Seriously the set that dominated UU still dominates RU too. (even moreso since there aren't any dedicated special walls that can take him on!) Sawsbucks is flat out better than Leafeon in most cases (i though I'll still end up using Leafeon more because its cooler) Tangrowth dropping into RU is pretty neat, he'll be a top tier physical wall.
Super glad to see Yanmega and Venomoth get banned, but what tier will they end up in? BL2? Edit: Thanks Oglemi. |
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Well there's goes my universal wall. R.I.P. Cresselia. In better news goodbye Yanmega and Venomoth! Definitely balances out the tier a little bit. And we'll probably see an increase in Tangrowth to compensate for Cress's departure.
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I forsee a spike in useage of the various Fire and Grass-types who dropped down, and thus, FWG cores.
Victreebel is pretty awesome even without the Sun, as is Sawsbuck, and Typholosion and Charizard can both demolish things, with Eruption and a brilliant movepool, respectivly. Seriously, Sun or no Sun, Charizard is a beast. On one hand, you have a Charizard that can set up, and be a potent physical attacker, and use Roost, and on the other hand, you have Charizards with insane Special attacking power. |
Hmm, it'll be fun to see how this stage plays out. I think that because of all the hype about the various sun abusers (I'm looking at Charizard, Sawsbuck, Victreebell mainly. Hell, even Tangrowth) dropping down to RU it'll be a round plagued with sun teams. Also can't forget about how potent both rain and hail teams can be in RU already. Another weather dominated tier perhaps? Heh.
In agreement with everyone else about Yanmega and Venomoth, it's definitely good news to see those two gone. Fucking monsters. Also with arguably the tier's best user of rapid spin moving up to UU and plenty of mons with access to setting up entry hazards, as well as Prankster Sableye being out now, it will be interesting to see what people come up with counteract spike-based teams. |
@ Foxy Grandpa
It's not overpowered for RU.. Sure base 100 is great in RU, but it still gets outsped by pokes like archeops, Sharpedo and alakazam, killed by strong priority users like hitmonlee, druddigon and Honchcrow and walled by Mantine and Munchlax. Especially with Alakazam and Honchcrow being as common as they are now, I would say it's not broken. |
Alright as some of you might know I started playing RU when it was first released but I really just fucking hated the metagame... with all these mix-ups I think I can give it another shot! Alakazam in this tier is just insanity, I was getting ready to use him in OU so this is really awesome. Also <3 at Omastar staying and all my other favorite sweepers (Tauros, Krookodile etc.) Hopefully it will be less of a shitfest this round!
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Have to say I'm disappointed with the two bans, they weren't that difficult to accomodate in teambuilding or anything else in my opnion. On another topic, shitmotherfucking UU players stealing my Golurk 9.9 Damn it, that completely destroys my team.
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At least I still have my Braivary. Speaking of which, people need to use more Braviary. Scarf Braviary is like my star. He might not have the power to break walls like Steelix, but it can outspeed most unboosted threats, and some boosted ones (it beats out +2 Spe Modest Omastar, for example) and has enough power and coverage to wreck most offensive Pokemon. Come on people, give Braviary some love. |
Have the tiers officially been updated on the PO server? If so, RU has lost its biggest nuisance to the Almighty Entei - but they nicked Yanmega, how dare they. Gastrodon isn't even good in RU, it's OU now? Mad.
So anyway, is this enforced? |
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>RageFace.jpg Anyway, on first impressions Sunny Day appears to be a fucknugget of too much power, Sableye can be a pain, and yeah, sun is broken |
Already have to say, sun is pretty not cool. Yanmega and Venomoth have just been replaced by more fucking insanely speedy boosters and mindless sleep powder spamming. So essentially we're back to where we started, possibly even worse.
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I just started messing with RU. I have to say I like it better than OU. Articuno is a very nice staller, given the right conditions. I uses Drapion to start, setting up a toxic spikes, then usually Sableye, to mess with the opponent even, especially when i use taunt. Will o Wisp is on it too, for the steel, poison and flying/levitating pokemon uneffected by the spikes. Both Drapion and Articuno can make them switch with whirlwind/roar, so I can keep blowing them away and poison their whole team. I have Samurott for extra coverage, a Trick Gardevior if its needed, and an Absol, cuz its just plain cool. Plus its sword dance/sucker punch is nice, though absol is very fragile...
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Will the ladder end up being reset or will we just go with what we have now? From the discussions I've had with people, most find Sun to be disgustingly powerful and broken, so a shorter testing period may be addvantageous.
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Did anyone give Rain Dance teams a try? Volt Switch Lanturn with Damp Rock allows people to easily gain momentum. Probopass can both trap Ferroseed (if you use Taunt on the Leech Seed, Gyro Ball won't be enough to kill you, as you see it running out of PP), lay Stealth Rock down (and has acess to Volt Switch like Lanturn as well!), as well as checking threatning stuff like Porygon-Z. Then the scary part comes: You have Seismitoad, Ludicolo, Poliwrath, Floatzel, Kabutops, Qwilfish and Omastar to abuse Swift Swim, and even stuff like Raichu, Manectric and Rotom-C to come and spam Thunder until they die. The only immediate threat I see is Munchlax, with its mammoth SpD and Rest + Sleep Talk. It seems scary in theory...
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With the removal of the most common fighting resists (Cress, Veno, Mega, Golurk) ScarfCham has hit a new level altogether. I don't even need a dedicated Pursuiter and it's kind of difficult for anyone to fend him off for too long.
EDIT: PS Sun is unstoppable. |
What Heysup said, paired with a Honchkrow he becomes that much more dangerous.
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