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Furai Sep 1st, 2012 7:07:19 AM

Ubers Stats - August 2012
 
Rated Ubers


Ubers Lead Usage


Ubers Metagame Analysis


Moveset Analysis

July 2012 statistics

The stats are here! I have two exciting news for you guys!
  • We have an ALL-TIME record in amount of battles: over 27K battles were done this month!
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Happy discussion!

ThisMysteriousGuy Sep 1st, 2012 7:44:34 AM

Crap. I posted my thoughts on the main one. Ah well, I'll copy them over here and add some more.

Top 25 seems fine...wait a sec....

| 26 | Latias | 4143 | 7.564% | 3255 | 7.425% |
| 30 | Latios | 2743 | 5.008% | 2109 | 4.811% |

Okay, what? They got their Soul Dew back, one of them should at least be in like the Top 25.

| 29 | Arceus-Steel | 2811 | 5.132% | 2190 | 4.996% |

Arceus Steel didn't do too too bad, I just wish it was also in the Top 25 :/

| 51 | Lucario | 1036 | 1.891% | 815 | 1.859% |
| 56 | Arceus-Electric | 927 | 1.692% | 698 | 1.592% |

I still don't get why people use Lucario in Ubers, it's really not that great from what I've seen when facing it. Granted, I've never actually used it, but WHY is it above one of the best special sweepers, Arceus-Electric?

| 84 | Politoed | 523 | 0.955% | 486 | 1.109% |
| 85 | Arceus-Ice | 517 | 0.944% | 424 | 0.967% |

Why do people use Politoed in Ubers? Just why? Arceus-Ice isn't that great either but it's not as much of a waste as Politoed.

| 87 | empty | 504 | 0.920% | 0 | 0.000% |
| 90 | Deoxys | 426 | 0.778% | 333 | 0.760% |
| 91 | Heracross | 421 | 0.769% | 331 | 0.755% |
| 92 | Landorus-Therian | 420 | 0.767% | 342 | 0.780% |
| 105 | Arceus-Ground | 317 | 0.579% | 234 | 0.534% |

I have nothing to say to this

| 93 | Infernape | 417 | 0.761% | 355 | 0.810% |
| 94 | Zoroark | 410 | 0.749% | 96 | 0.219% |
| 98 | Swampert | 360 | 0.657% | 323 | 0.737% |
| 99 | Gorebyss | 357 | 0.652% | 257 | 0.586% |

O___O

| 132 | Archeops | 165 | 0.301% | 146 | 0.333% |
| 133 | Umbreon | 165 | 0.301% | 132 | 0.301% |
| 136 | Raichu | 150 | 0.274% | 130 | 0.297% |
| 139 | Arceus-Poison | 140 | 0.256% | 108 | 0.246% |
| 145 | Arceus-Psychic | 127 | 0.232% | 95 | 0.217% |
| 147 | Magikarp | 124 | 0.226% | 112 | 0.255% |
| 156 | Qwilfish | 116 | 0.212% | 100 | 0.228% |

Oh my goooooood

| 183 | Ambipom | 76 | 0.139% | 73 | 0.167% |
| 193 | Rhydon | 70 | 0.128% | 62 | 0.141% |

Noooooo

EDIT: Okay, I guess I should be a bit more serious then.

The Top 25 honestly still looks fine to me: It represents the metagame fairly well. Placement is a bit weird.

Sun teams did get buffed with Lati@s and Ho-oh yeah, but rain teams got all of those goodies from OU plus Lugia, even though the new OU Pokemon aren't too high besides Genesect.

Ho-oh and Tyranitar should be up higher, due to Ho-oh getting Regenerator and Tyranitar getting the ability to own Lati@s.

Blaziken should be lower honestly: I see it a lot and it's still fine but Ho-oh is honestly better in my eyes.

Giratina-O's place is mainly cause of Mold Breaker Excadrill which can beat it.

Hell yeah Terrakion!

Genesect is surprisingly high considering it was released a few weeks back.

Shaymin-Sky is pretty low for being one of the more notorious Ubers. Makes some sense cause there are better Pokemon to use, like Arceus-Grass, who is rising the ranks

And seriously, why the hell are Lati@s and Arceus-Steel not in the Top 25? They are SO good in the current metagame.

spuds4ever Sep 1st, 2012 8:02:13 AM

@TMG, tbh, most of those things are just from trolls/noobs who want to use their mewtwo in OU.

I agree though that lati@s should be higher, as with arceus steel and arceus electric.

Honestly, I'm still pretty surprised groudon is that far behind kyogre. Hell guys, you just got REGENERATOR HO-OH AND A SOLID COUNTER TO KYOGRE if that's not a mallet in the face saying "use sun more" I don't know what is.

I'm always quite surprised at how high darkrai is. Sure it gets a sleep move and great speed, but you're still smashed by every scarfer in the tier pretty much and it doesn't give you many useful resistances tbh. Maybe I can't give a very accurate judgement seeing as I've never used it on my team or played anyone skillful with it.

Kyurem-W still seems a little low, but I guess everything above it has a pretty solidly cemented spot in ubers.

haxer321 Sep 1st, 2012 9:59:06 AM

I think people are still chickening out from sun because they don't want to deal with that major stealth rock weakness. Magic Bounce, an extremely underrated method of preventing stealth rocks makes sun a dangerous team to play against.

SpecsX Sep 1st, 2012 10:51:41 AM

Actually, Groudon resists Stealth Rock, unlike Ninetales in OU, but the fact is, sun doesn't get a spinner that benefits from the weather, unlike Exca in sand and Tentacruel in rain. Also, there aren't too many Chlorophyll abusers viable in Ubers, comounding the SR weakness.

haxer321 Sep 1st, 2012 11:17:49 AM

Groudon is not even a major sun abuser - it just summons the sun. Things like Reshiram and the newly improved ho-oh have a lot of trouble with stealth rocks.

sammao Sep 1st, 2012 11:43:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Furai (Post 4380640)
[HIDE=Rated Ubers][CODE]


| 31 | Blissey | 2668 | 4.871% | 2143 | 4.889% |

| 40 | Chansey | 1580 | 2.885% | 1267 | 2.890% |

Can anyone explain this? I thought in Uber, Chansey usage has been always higher than Blissey in BW.

Tobes Sep 1st, 2012 12:54:30 PM

July 2012
| 87 | Charizard | 198 | 0.798% | 124 | 0.837% |

August 2012
| 81 | Charizard | 535 | 0.977% | 435 | 0.992% |
http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbag...heLoons_03.png

Gates Sep 1st, 2012 1:28:54 PM

| 96 | Whimsicott | 370 | 0.676% | 320 | 0.730% |
| 220 | Jumpluff | 52 | 0.095% | 44 | 0.100% |

I'm in a whole new dimension of mad right now. I guess this is what I get for not laddering for a month.

Also, Ferro overtook Forry again. I was hoping Forry would reclaim his old spot as the king of hazards but I guess not.

Mr.lol Sep 1st, 2012 2:08:08 PM

| 13 | Giratina | 8132 | 14.846% | 6312 | 14.399% |
| 18 | Giratina-Origin | 6431 | 11.741% | 5015 | 11.440% |
| 21 | Arceus-Ghost | 5123 | 9.353% | 3862 | 8.810% |

Just noting this is the SECOND time this has happened. I think the new metagame favors Giratina-a a lot more then the last one, its probably due to Ho-oh's and Excadrill's rising popularity (oh cmon you know you hate mold breaker) yet ironically...

| 14 | Excadrill | 7539 | 13.764% | 5717 | 13.042% |
| 15 | Tyranitar | 7043 | 12.858% | 6421 | 14.648% |
| 16 | Ho-Oh | 6999 | 12.778% | 5565 | 12.695% |

It appears the main three things its supposed to lower the effectiveness of has gone down O_O.

| 71 | Tornadus-Therian | 658 | 1.201% | 508 | 1.159% |
| 72 | Xatu | 657 | 1.199% | 497 | 1.134% |

Why did Xatu and Tornadus start decreasing all of a sudden, they were so useful in breaking spikes stacking offense earlier, I mean look at the earlier stats

| 50 | Tornadus-Therian | 497 | 2.003% | 274 | 1.849% |
| 51 | Xatu | 481 | 1.938% | 263 | 1.775% |

Lastly

| 60 | Kabutops | 413 | 1.664% | 235 | 1.586% |
| 37 | Kabutops | 1725 | 3.149% | 1104 | 2.518% |

What made Kabutops increase so much 0_0, is it just THAT good of a rapid spinner now?

SpecsX Sep 1st, 2012 3:47:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat haxer321 (Post 4380812)
Groudon is not even a major sun abuser - it just summons the sun. Things like Reshiram and the newly improved ho-oh have a lot of trouble with stealth rocks.

Did you even read the rest of my post? I said sun is less used because unlike rain or sand, which have spinners that really benefit from being in the weather. Sun doesn't have one. Sun also has few Ubers-viable Chlorophyll abusers, which makes teams that use sun more dependent on Fire-types(and by extension, spinners)

Guest 9378 Sep 1st, 2012 8:11:29 PM

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| 37 | Kabutops | 1725 | 3.149% | 1104 | 2.518% |
| 44 | Kingdra | 1337 | 2.441% | 953 | 2.174% |
| 67 | Omastar | 745 | 1.360% | 555 | 1.266% |
| 79 | Ludicolo | 577 | 1.053% | 454 | 1.036% |
| 99 | Gorebyss | 357 | 0.652% | 257 | 0.586% |
| 156 | Qwilfish | 116 | 0.212% | 100 | 0.228% |
Every single (viable) swift swim user has gone up from last month. Kabutops and Gorebyss essentially doubled in usage. Omastar almost tripled as well. This could explain why despite the buffs sun received with Regen Ho-Oh, Soul Dew Latias, and Kyurem-W, Groudon usage actually went down.

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| 2 | Arceus | 16436 | 30.007% | 12677 | 28.919% |
Not sure why Extremekiller suddenly rose up 5% in usage. It might have something to do with the trio of Ghosts going down in usage since June.

Quote:

| 36 | Tentacruel | 2084 | 3.805% | 1652 | 3.769% |
Just keeps dropping and dropping.

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| 27 | Shaymin-Sky | 3732 | 6.813% | 2931 | 6.686% |
| 32 | Manaphy | 2639 | 4.818% | 1995 | 4.551% |
| 33 | Terrakion | 2444 | 4.462% | 1668 | 3.805% |
All really good pokes that should receive far more usage.

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| 116 | Bisharp | 213 | 0.389% | 173 | 0.395% |
This is why we can't have nice things

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| 62 | Venusaur | 822 | 1.501% | 633 | 1.444% |
| 201 | Shiftry | 64 | 0.117% | 45 | 0.103% |
Until Rayquaza, Kyogre, Giratina, Dialga, Latias, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Ho-Oh, and Lugia are moved to Super Ubers, Venusaur being used this much will baffle me, especially when it is outclassed by Shiftry.

barry4ever Sep 1st, 2012 11:01:21 PM

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I'm always quite surprised at how high darkrai is. Sure it gets a sleep move and great speed, but you're still smashed by every scarfer in the tier pretty much and it doesn't give you many useful resistances tbh. Maybe I can't give a very accurate judgement seeing as I've never used it on my team or played anyone skillful with it.
Its because everyone Darkrai is out, a balanced or Stall team gets gets the jitters since you're losing a Pokemon thanks to Dark Void. In these teams, each pokemon brings a certain amount of synergy to the table so losing one pokemon is pretty big. Apart from that, Sashrai is incredibly threatening as a lead, since if you send your scarfer to take it out, and it eats a dark void, you're in trouble for the rest of the match mate without your scarfer.

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| 60 | Kabutops | 413 | 1.664% | 235 | 1.586% |
| 37 | Kabutops | 1725 | 3.149% | 1104 | 2.518% |
That and it has something to do with Poppy pimping it everywhere. Its a good fast Pokemon which lets you have a Ekiller check and revenge killer in one.

Now onto my own observations.

| 14 | Excadrill | 7539 | 13.764% | 5717 | 13.042% |
| 15 | Tyranitar | 7043 | 12.858% | 6421 | 14.648% |
| 16 | Ho-Oh | 6999 | 12.778% | 5565 | 12.695% |

Excadrill and Tyranitar this high are indicative of how popular Sand is getting. I've been playing on the ladder and a well played sand team is very hard to break tbh. Sashtars are very annoying for Terrakions >_> Lastly, Ho-Oh desrves more usage imo, its bulk is fucking unparalleled in the game and Regenerator is superb.

| 22 | Deoxys-Speed | 5108 | 9.326% | 4829 | 11.016% |

This speed demon needs to get more love. Its the best offense hazards layer in the game and is quite useful now that Giratina-O usage is dipping.

Asterat Sep 3rd, 2012 9:16:19 AM

Latias 26? I expected like 15.

Rayquaza_ Sep 3rd, 2012 2:31:59 PM

Quoting myself from Kyurem-B's analysis thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Rayquaza_ (Post 4383455)
I have been using shrang's Hone Claws set paired with Tailwind Rashiram with great results.

The thing I don't like about the Reshiram+Kyurem-W offensive core posted in the Smog article this month is its redundancy.
With Kyurem-B there is no such problem, as Reshiram attacks on the special side while Kyu-B on the physical side.
On top of it Kyogre and Chansey/Blissey tend to screw up the Reshiram+Kyu-W core, while with Kyu-B you can actually use them as setup bait to use Hone Claws.

Is Kyogre or a pink blob going to wall your Reshiram after you used Tailwind? No problem, just switch to Kyurem-B (which conveniently resists Kyogre's most powerful attacks and scares off the pink blobs) and use Hone Claws. You end up with +1 attack, +1 accuracy and +2 speed for two turns of pure murder. Wallbreaking doesn't get any better than this.

Building a team around this core is pretty easy too.

TheStarRapper Sep 3rd, 2012 3:43:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tobes (Post 4380932)
July 2012
| 87 | Charizard | 198 | 0.798% | 124 | 0.837% |

August 2012
| 81 | Charizard | 535 | 0.977% | 435 | 0.992% |
http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbag...heLoons_03.png

LOL I think the problem with this is that "less-intelligent" players might not read the Smog. You did your best though...

Also yeah I thought as well that Latias would be higher up in the charts, seeing as it has major power against Kyogre.

lordkira Sep 26th, 2012 9:59:26 PM

Ubers ladder always baffles me
Ie I expected chomp to have higher usage rating

barry4ever Oct 1st, 2012 6:42:04 AM

September stats are up guys, thanks for reading.


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