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prem Sep 1st, 2012 11:23:31 AM

August 2012 Usage Stats
 
Standard LC Rated

LC Metagame Analysis

LC Lead Usage


Damn we actually had battles this month.

Shinji Mimura Sep 1st, 2012 12:21:36 PM

Mien "I am always #1 in the rankings" Foo.

Just curious, how did Abra get to #3? I don't recall him showing up as high in past rankings.

Arcticblast Sep 1st, 2012 12:58:33 PM

Well, there is nothing here I didn't expect to see.

Foongus wants to be higher though. It's a great check to Fighting-types and setup sweepers in general. Now if only all of the Scraggy can stop running Ice Punch / Zen Headbutt >:(

viashinomage Sep 1st, 2012 1:06:08 PM

Quote:

| 204 | Slakoth | 1 | 0.005% |
| 205 | Tynamo | 1 | 0.005% |
| 206 | Whismur | 1 | 0.005% |
| 207 | Nincada | 1 | 0.005% |
| 208 | Gothita | 1 | 0.005% |
| 209 | Weedle | 1 | 0.005% |
stuff like this only convinces me that there needs to be a cutoff at some point

Ray Jay Sep 1st, 2012 3:20:10 PM

Abra is a bit of a surprise to me, but at the same time it's kinda not; it's a very easy Pokemon to use as it takes no residual damage and still packs quite a whallop, even by most of today's offensive standards.

I find it funny how much of a "reactive" metagame we are playing. For example, Chinchou is above Murkrow in usage, most likely because it does possess that Flying-type resistance, but an even better example is Bronzor at a higher usage than Drilbur, who Bronzor is used all but exclusively to counter.

Other than that, I think Lileep's usage is criminally low, and Porygon and Croagunk have really fallen out of favor for some reason.

Zacchaeus Sep 1st, 2012 3:30:24 PM

LC players used 5 Pokémon instead of 6 58 times? And 40 Pokés got used less than that...

Gengan Sep 1st, 2012 5:46:28 PM

Code:

| 151  | Magikarp          | 10    |  0.052% |
No wonder no one takes LC seriously.

Anyway, now I'm encouraged to make a team out of the 6 most used Pokemon. Tallyho!

viashinomage Sep 1st, 2012 6:42:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ray Jay (Post 4381115)
Abra is a bit of a surprise to me, but at the same time it's kinda not; it's a very easy Pokemon to use as it takes no residual damage and still packs quite a whallop, even by most of today's offensive standards.

I find it funny how much of a "reactive" metagame we are playing. For example, Chinchou is above Murkrow in usage, most likely because it does possess that Flying-type resistance, but an even better example is Bronzor at a higher usage than Drilbur, who Bronzor is used all but exclusively to counter.

Other than that, I think Lileep's usage is criminally low, and Porygon and Croagunk have really fallen out of favor for some reason.

agree, noticed that too, and Pory needs to be used more. he's my number 1 poke now :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zacchaeus (Post 4381127)
LC players used 5 Pokémon instead of 6 58 times? And 40 Pokés got used less than that...

i really think the statistics need to be pruned to more accurately represent the portion of the metagame that actually cares about battling, and this just goes to show it

iss Sep 1st, 2012 7:39:44 PM

A version of the "1337 stats" will be released by Antar soon.

Ray Jay Sep 1st, 2012 10:25:06 PM

Also, please avoid discussing intricacies of the stats that are irrelevant and keep this thread for the implications of the usage stats on the metagame.

JacobNinja Sep 2nd, 2012 10:18:01 PM

Is there any way to see which dwebbles had shell smash and an offensive nature/ev spread, and which had hazards and a more tanky ev set? Over the past few weeks I've seen offensive shell smash dwebbles on atleast 1/8 of the teams I fight, and have didn't see a single hazards dwebble.

Nanoswine Sep 3rd, 2012 12:30:22 AM

You can see moveset statistics for Little Cup here.

Gengan Sep 3rd, 2012 12:32:54 AM

After looking at that list, I'm convinced that we need Leftovers removed from LC. Seriously, it has no advantage over Eviolite at all, and people that use it should feel ashamed.

prem Sep 3rd, 2012 3:19:41 AM

leftovers are only used by people who dont understand its worthless in lc. we dont remove it, we just tell people they are wrong

papita Sep 3rd, 2012 3:27:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gengan (Post 4382952)
After looking at that list, I'm convinced that we need Leftovers removed from LC. Seriously, it has no advantage over Eviolite at all, and people that use it should feel ashamed.

Leftovers has been bad even before eviolite so...yeah it´s saddening that some of the most common sets have it equipped

JacobNinja Sep 3rd, 2012 9:22:05 AM

+----------------------------------------+
| Dwebble |
+----------------------------------------+
| Abilties |
| Sturdy 98.173% |
| Other 1.827% |
+----------------------------------------+
| Items |
| Oran Berry 67.736% |
| Eviolite 13.414% |
| White Herb 6.863% |
| Leftovers 6.283% |
| Focus Sash 0.847% |
| Other 4.857% |
+----------------------------------------+
| Natures |
| Jolly 48.039% |
| Adamant 40.241% |
| Impish 5.749% |
| Hardy 2.718% |
| Other 3.253% |
+----------------------------------------+
| EV spreads |
| 36/236/0/0/0/236 46.168% |
| 0/236/0/0/36/236 9.626% |
| 0/236/0/0/0/236 7.041% |
| 0/252/0/0/4/252 5.258% |
| 44/236/76/0/76/76 4.590% |
| 4/252/0/0/0/252 3.743% |
| Other 23.574% |
+----------------------------------------+
| Moves |
| Rock Blast 78.164% |
| X-Scissor 71.346% |
| Shell Smash 58.556% |
| Earthquake 57.665% |
| Stealth Rock 46.881% |
| Spikes 45.900% |
| Stone Edge 17.692% |
| Toxic 6.729% |
| Other 17.068% |
+----------------------------------------+
| Most common sets: |
| |
| Dwebble @ Oran Berry |
| Ability: Sturdy |
| Jolly nature |
| EVs: 36/236/0/0/0/236 |
| -Spikes |
| -Stealth Rock |
| -Rock Blast |
| -X-Scissor |
| Dwebble @ Oran Berry |
| Ability: Sturdy |
| Adamant nature |
| EVs: 36/236/0/0/0/236 |
| -Earthquake |
| -X-Scissor |
| -Shell Smash |
| -Rock Blast |
+----------------------------------------+

Seeing as 70% of Dwebbles are max attack/speed, shouldn't offensive dwebble be above hazards dwebble?

Gengan Sep 3rd, 2012 9:52:21 AM

No. Just because a certain EV spread is used often doesn't mean the corresponding set is the most common.

Besides, both mentioned sets use that spread.

blarajan Sep 3rd, 2012 10:27:15 AM

..........

who the FUCK is using focus sash dwebble?

Ray Jay Sep 3rd, 2012 11:59:28 AM

That's almost as surprising as blarajan being up by 9 30 am

In response to jacobninja, who insists SS is the only Dwebble set now to me through VM, I don't think SS should be the main Dwebble set, even if it is the most common. Dwebble is the only Pokemon who has the right combination of stats, Stealth Rock and Spikes, and Sturdy and really that's its niche. As a smasher, I think Tirtouga trumps it anyways because better STABs but whatever. The point is that just because it's being used the most doesn't mean it's necessarily the best. Furthermore, it's only being used 58% of the time, which isn't exactly what I'd call a super large margin, and statistically means it at most appears on about 1 in 17 teams, which is a far cry from 1 in 8.

viashinomage Sep 3rd, 2012 1:59:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blarajan (Post 4383214)
..........

who the FUCK is using focus sash dwebble?

what he said, and anyways max speed bives you those 2 or 3 points needed to set your hazards and attack in some cases

Metroid78 Sep 3rd, 2012 3:00:00 PM

lol Abra to #3..

JacobNinja Sep 3rd, 2012 4:23:22 PM

...


It seems I'm 3/4 of all wingulls, it's very underrated. My set is the top set here, considering asking to make a thread about it.

iss Sep 3rd, 2012 4:58:47 PM

A note: if you're posting detailed stats, please put them in [hide] or [code] tags.

superbadd Sep 6th, 2012 5:32:25 AM

47 | Foongus | 706 | 3.696% | 607 | 3.851%

Foongus needs more love. It's one of the best and cutest pokemon in LC.

AuraRayquaza Sep 12th, 2012 5:26:27 PM

something makes me think i had a little to do with the shell smash dwebble rise.

319 battles in the past 3 months all with shell smash dwebble


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