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Espeon65 Sep 30th, 2012 11:27:43 PM

Will Frosty drift away for eternity? Frosty vs. Eternal Drifter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Frosty
Diababa the Necturine


Odolwa the Lotad


Veran the Cottonee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Eternal Drifter
Thank you for doing this... I've been sitting on my potential matches for about a week, so I am very greatful.

Well, here are the three Poke'mon I'll be using.

Scraggy
...


Hope the Chingling
...


Mirage the Zorua
...


And good luck with your first reffing task!

Rules:
3v3 LC triples
Training items
Unown Soup
2 substitutions
All abilities
Switch = KO
2 day DQ

Frosty sends out + equips
ED sends out + equips
ED orders
Frosty orders
I ref

Frosty Oct 1st, 2012 9:34:28 AM

Sending out Diababa the Necturine with an Amulet coin, Odolwa the Lotad with an Exp.Share and Veran the Cottonee with nothing.

Espeon65 Oct 1st, 2012 5:06:26 PM

Sorry! I was tired! And on my kindle! I'll fix that right away!

EDIT: It should be correct now, XD.

Eternal Drifter Oct 1st, 2012 5:45:35 PM

http://s13.postimage.org/91uasyoc3/Sowrdmaster.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png@http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/...are_Sprite.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/433.png@http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/...oin_Sprite.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png

"Well then, let us train," Walker says. "I fully expect to lose, but still, even a loss could be of benefit."

"Strike hard! Strike fast!"

(Note: counters are gained upon send out; Scraggy gets one DC, putting him at the max of five, and unlocking his dream world ability, Intimidate)

Scraggy:
Pre-Round: Unlock Intimidate; Activate Intimidate
Action 1: Fire Punch (Cottonee)
Action 2: Ice Punch (Cottonee)

Hope:
Action 1: Entrainment (Cottonee)
Action 2: Signal Beam (Cottonee)

IF Cottonee uses Taunt (Hope) Action 1 AND uses Encore (Hope) Action 2, replace action 1 with Signal Beam (Cottonee).

IF Cottonee uses Taunt (Hope) Action 1, Protect that action and push actions back. Do NOT use this subsitution more than once.

Mirage:
Action 1: Taunt (Cottonee)
Action 2: Thief (Necturine)

IF Cottonee uses Taunt (Mirage), use Protect that action and push actions back. Do NOT use this subsitution more than once.
IF Taunted when you are to use Taunt, replace round actions with the following: Faint Attack (Cottonee), Thief (Necturine).

Frosty Oct 1st, 2012 6:25:12 PM

hmmm...we are at unown soup, right?

well...

Veran (Cottonee): Unown P (Protect) - Helping Hand (Diababa)
Odolwa (Lotad): Unown W (Water Spout) - Giga Drain (Chingling)
Diababa (Necturine): Unown S (Shadow Force) at Chingling - COMBO (Shadow Ball + Shadow Ball) at Chingling

According to my calcs it should KO chingling. should.

Espeon65 Oct 1st, 2012 9:23:20 PM

Let me check the rules for Unown Soup, I think just one Unown per action per owner...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Leethoof
Field Type = Neutral
Complexity = Moderate
Format = Multiples!!!
No Restrictions

The battlers are on a solid platform in the middle of a giant bowl filled with delicious broth. No move restrictions at all, because you can safely go seismetoad on the platform and there is plenty of broth to swampert your enemies with. In the soup, there is one of each letter unown floating in around aimlessly. They are all close enough to pick up, and a battler may use one action each round (they can't just use three unowns) to use any move that begins with that letter. Once an unown is used, it cannot be used again.

Sorry Frosty, those actions are illegal :(. Please change them, thank you!

Frosty Oct 2nd, 2012 7:48:39 AM

Erm...AFAIK its one unown per pokemon. At least on the battles I've seen that was the rule applied.



BUT, either way:

Veran (Cottonee): Unown P (Protect) - Helping Hand (Diababa)
Odolwa (Lotad): Ice Beam (Chingling) - Giga Drain (Chingling)
Diababa (Necturine): Ominous Wind (Chingling) - COMBO (Shadow Ball + Shadow Ball) at Chingling

Espeon65 Oct 2nd, 2012 3:10:27 PM

Okay, well then I will go with your final actions, but if you would like me to, I will change them to your original actions.

EDIT: I will have the reffing up within the next few hours.

Espeon65 Oct 2nd, 2012 4:54:37 PM

Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odalwa l Veran
Items: Amulet Coin l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 90 l 90 l 90
Energy: 100 l 100 l 100
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: N/A l N/A l N/A

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/433.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Hope l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin l N/A
HP: 90 l 90 l 90
Energy: 100 l 100 l 100
Speed: 48 l 45 l 75
Status: N/A l N/A l N/A

No time for flavor, so here's the most adorable puppy I could find...
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...dpCh0NKvpSPp4w

Calculations


Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odalwa l Veran
Items: N/A l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 79 l 90 l 74
Energy: 67 l 81 l 65
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: N/A l N/A l N/A

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/433.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Hope l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin l Amulet Coin
HP: 90 l -11 l 90
Energy: 88 l KO l 86
Speed: 48 l 45 l 75
Status: N/A l KO l N/A

Please be patient if I made any mistakes, as I'm a beginner ref and triples are hard.

Frosty orders
ED orders
I ref

EDIT: To below, I changed those. Thanks for pointing them out!

EDIT2: I'm going to make a lit of Unowns left:

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Frosty Oct 2nd, 2012 6:40:11 PM

k, two things:

1) Protect protects against all moves (incluing Taunt and entrainment)

2) in the ASB weaknesses and strenghts have different multipliers:
x4 weakness: Damage Multiplied by 2.25
x2 weakness: Damage Multiplied by 1.50
x2 resistance: Damage Multiplied by 0.67
x4 resistance: Damage Multiplied by 0.44

EDIT:

Okie Dokie, here are actions:

Veran (Cottonee): Unown D (Dark Void) - Taunt (Zorua)
IF both pokemon use evasive/protective moves A1 THEN use Cotton Guard - Unown D (Dark Void)
IF Zorua uses Evasive/protective moves A2 AND it didn't use said moves on the previous turn THEN Use Solarbeam at Scraggy
Odolwa (Lotad): Ice Beam (Zorua) - Giga Drain (Zorua)
IF Zorua uses Evasive/Protective moves THEN redirect respective action towards Scraggy
Diababa (Necturine): cooldown - Leaf Blade (Zorua)
IF Zorua uses Evasive/Protective moves THEN redirect respective action towards Scraggy

Don't worry about your reffing. You are doing good. If you happen to make a mistake, we'll point it out, no prob.

Eternal Drifter Oct 3rd, 2012 4:52:31 PM

http://s13.postimage.org/91uasyoc3/Sowrdmaster.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png@http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/...are_Sprite.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png@http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/...oin_Sprite.png
"...That's what I get from not reviewing stadium when sending out... Luckily, more than one way to fry a fish!"

Scraggy:
Action 1: Unown F (Fake Out) (Cottonee)
Action 2: Black Payback (Payback+Payback Combo) (Necturine)

Mirage:
Action 1: Taunt (Cottonee)
Action 2: Sucker Punch (Necturine)

Espeon65 Oct 4th, 2012 6:21:44 AM

Sorry I didn't get this reffed yesterday! I'm busy on Wednesdays and Thursdays, but expect this reffed by tonight!

Espeon65 Oct 4th, 2012 8:37:21 PM

Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odolwa l Veran
Items: N/A l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 79 l 90 l 67
Energy: 67 l 81 l 65
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: N/A l N/A l N/A

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin
HP: 90 l 90
Energy: 88 l 86
Speed: 48 l 75
Status: N/A l N/A

Sorry, again no time for flavor...

Calcs


Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odolwa l Veran
Items: N/A l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 17 l 90 l 74
Energy: 60 l 62 l 55
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: N/A l N/A l Taunted for 5 more actions

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin
HP: 90 l 49
Energy: 53 l 81
Speed: 48 l 75
Status: Cooldown beginning of next round l N/A

ED orders
Frosty orders
I ref

EDIT: To below, thanks for fixing those (many) mistakes! If it were me, I don't know if I would've been honest enough to give my pokemon more damage...And my calcs left Diababa at -9, but yours left her at 17...If you could PM me yours and why, maybe you're right and I'm wrong and I could change it.

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Frosty Oct 4th, 2012 8:51:48 PM

I know it isn't my turn, but a few notes:

1) Its Odolwa (first boss from Majora's Mask) not Odalwa. Not important, but I thought I might as well mention this.
2) I suggest you put Scraggy's cooldown and Veran's Taunt on the "status" at the summary.
3) Zorua's suffered 41hp of damage (11.5+16.5+12.5=40.5, rounded to 41) so the total hp should be 49, not 60.
4) Combos of 0 priority moves (like Payback) have -2 priority, which means that it should be the last action, so (and I feel I shouldn't mention this) it should get full power leaving Diababa with around 17hp, me thinks.
5) Also, you added the energy for Diababa and Odolwa instead of reducing it, I think.


I think that is all.

Eternal Drifter Oct 4th, 2012 11:36:02 PM

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"Do not seek to win... seek to cause as much damage as possible..."

Scraggy:
Action 1: Cooldown (Fire Punch (Diababa))
Action 2: Ice Punch (Diababa)

IF Diababa uses Protect when Scraggy is due to target her, change target to Veran.
IF Diababa is KOed when Scraggy is due to target her, change target to Veran.

Mirage:
Action 1: Unown D (Dark Void)
Action 2: Faint Attack (Diababa)

IF two or more of Frosty's mons uses Protective/Evasive move action 1, change action to Sucker Punch (Veran).
IF Diababa (successfully) uses Protective/Evasive move action 2 AND did NOT use Protective/Evasive move action 1, change target to Veran.

Frosty Oct 5th, 2012 9:09:21 AM

Well, I do intend to win, so...

Veran/Cottonee: Unown D (Drain Punch) at Zorua - Solarbeam at Scraggy
Odolwa/Lotad: COMBO (Ice Beam + Ice Beam) at Zorua - cooldown
Diababa/Necturine: Leaf Blade at Zorua - COMBO (Shadow Sneak + Leaf Blade) at Scraggy
IF that combo doesn't work, replace it with Shadow Sneak.

Please remember that an unown can be used only once. Since Veran is faster than Mirage, it would use the unown.

Also, a combination of priority 1 + priority 0 = priority 1. There is a list of the combinations on the Data Audit Thread for future reference.

Espeon65 Oct 6th, 2012 12:04:12 PM

Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odolwa l Veran
Items: N/A l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 17 l 90 l 74
Energy: 60 l 62 l 55
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: N/A l N/A l Taunted for 5 more actions

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin
HP: 90 l 49
Energy: 53 l 81
Speed: 48 l 75
Status: Cooldown beginning of next round l N/A

Veran the Cottonee starts the match off with a strange Draining Punch, hurting Mirage the Zorua and gaining herself some HP. Mirage seems to be baffled by the fact the Veran used Unown D before he did, and can't seem to do anything. Scraggy cools down, and Diababa the Necturine hits Mirage with a Leaf Blade, immediately followed by a powerful Ice Beam combo, Freeze Beam from Odolwa the Lotad, making Mirage faint.

Veran begins to charge up for some unknown attack, while Diababa sneaks up to Scraggy and slashes him with a leaf (Shadow Sneak + Leaf Blade)! Scraggy uses an Ice Punch at Veran, hitting SE damage. Odolwa cools down, while Veran uses her charged up power to hit Scraggy with some Solar sort of Beam.

Calcs


Frosty's Team:
http://i.imgur.com/DFEel.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Diababa l Odolwa l Veran
Items: N/A l Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 0 l 90 l 74
Energy: KO l 31 l 35
Speed: 44 l 26 l 76
Status: KO l N/A l Taunted for 3 more actions

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/570.png
Scraggy l Mirage
Items: Exp. Share l Amulet Coin
HP: 61 l -3
Energy: 47 l KO
Speed: 48 l 75
Status: N/A l KO

Can Eternal Drifter snatch victory from the jaws of defeat? Only time will tell, but anything can happen in the arena of Unown Soup!

Frosty orders
ED orders
I ref

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Frosty Oct 6th, 2012 3:50:10 PM

I hate to do this, but if the damage ends in .5 it rounds up. In other words, since Diababa lost 16.5hp (rounded to 17), it fainted.

My orders are below. I've included Diababa's too if I happen to have missed something. Just disregard them if it happens to be alive.

Veran/Cottonee: Unown A (Aeroblast) - Solarbeam
If Unown A is already used by the time you act THEN replace A1 with Unown B (Brave Bird) and don't push back.
Odolwa/Lotad: Leech Seed - Giga Drain

Eternal Drifter Oct 6th, 2012 6:45:15 PM

http://s13.postimage.org/91uasyoc3/Sowrdmaster.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
"Thats one... can we make it two? Now... unleash the fury of the lord of the dimentions!"

Scraggy:
Action 1: Unown S (Shadow Force (Veran))
Action 2: Ice Punch (Veran)

Espeon65 Oct 6th, 2012 7:13:31 PM

Frosty's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Odolwa l Veran
Items: Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 90 l 74
Energy: 31 l 35
Speed: 26 l 76
Status: N/A l Taunted for 3 more actions

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
Scraggy
Items: Exp. Share
HP: 61
Energy: 47
Speed: 48
Status: + 1 Attack boost

No time for flavor, sorry. Will you forgive Puss-in-Boots?
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...AXqDW1HOOf8ZHm

Calcs


Frosty's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Odolwa l Veran
Items: Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 90 l 38
Energy: 9 l 20
Speed: 26 l 76
Status: N/A l Taunted for 1 more action

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
Scraggy
Items: Exp. Share
HP: 39
Energy: 31
Speed: 48
Status: +1 atk

It looks like Eternal Drifter can still turn this around, but it will be a tough battle! Who will win? Tune in next week on Fear Factor NO! CAP ASB!

ED orders
Frosty orders
I ref

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Eternal Drifter Oct 6th, 2012 7:59:48 PM

http://s13.postimage.org/91uasyoc3/Sowrdmaster.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
"Another round... and... do I see... a way to win...? Is this battle ending this round?"

(Question: Does Moxie activate on rounding KOs (EX: Diababa)? How about energy KOs?)

Scraggy:
Action 1: Drain Punch (Veran)
Action 2: Unown V (V-Create) (Veran)

IF Unown V is already used by the time you are to use it, replace Unown V with Unown G (Gunk Shot) (Veran).
IF Veran uses Unown T (Teleport) to evade attacks action 2, change action to Faint Attack (Odolwa).

Frosty Oct 6th, 2012 8:13:36 PM

Energy KOs goes for the last attack and Rounding KOs are ordinary KOs

I think we will have to use a more....unconventional strategy. I am sorry, Veran, but you'll have to take one for the team.

Odolwa/Lotad: Chill - Chill
Veran/Cottonee: Unown B (Brave Bird) - Taunt

Espeon65 Oct 6th, 2012 8:30:13 PM

Frosty's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Odolwa l Veran
Items: Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 90 l 38
Energy: 9 l 20
Speed: 26 l 76
Status: N/A l Taunted for 1 more action, +1 atk

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
Scraggy
Items: Exp. Share
HP: 39
Energy: 31
Speed: 48
Status: N/A

No flavor at this speed. Sorry.

Calcs


Frosty's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/270.png http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/546.png
Odolwa l Veran
Items: Exp. Share l N/A
HP: 90 l -9
Energy: 33 l KO
Speed: 26 l 76
Status: N/A l KO

Eternal Drifter's Team:
http://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
Scraggy
Items: Exp. Share
HP: 33
Energy: 7
Speed: 27
Status: Taunted for 6 actions, Def, Sp. Def, and Spe all one stage lower, +2 atk.

Eternal Drifter is coming back, baby! This is what CAP ASB is all about! Can he pull off the upset?

Frosty orders
ED orders
I ref

Frosty Oct 6th, 2012 8:49:29 PM

Speed is something like:
a) If Stat Change is positive: (Speed)*(Stat Change)*(1.75)
b) If Stat Change is Negative: Speed/((Stat Change)*(1.75))

In this case the result is: 48/(1*1.75)= 27.42 speed. Faster than Lotad.


Second thing (again, I shouldn't mention this): Scraggy should get Moxie Boost from Diababa (I love this name) and Veran. +2atk.

That being said, here are my actions. Feel free to deal 90 damage with 7 energy. Consider this a puzzle of sorts.

Unown B (Bulldoze) - Surf

Eternal Drifter Oct 6th, 2012 9:03:02 PM

http://s13.postimage.org/91uasyoc3/Sowrdmaster.pnghttp://veekun.com/dex/media/pokemon/...-white/559.png
"Moxie! But is... this... the end...?"

(Scored a KO on Veran, so +1 Attack!)

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C E G H I J K L M N O Q R T U W X Y Z

"Grab the U..."

Scraggy:
Action 1: Unown U (U-Turn) (Odolwa)
Action 2: Chill (Self)

U-Turn breaks Taunt, and resets Scraggy's stats. Though I'll have to kiss the Attack boost goodbye, I'll be glad to undo the damage V-Create did.


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