Oh man Lucario, just oh man. Where do I begin the praise for this thing. It has so much raw power and access to that +2 priortiy is like the icing on the cake. I'll start off by talking about my item of choice. Silk Scarf has the wonderful property of boosting all Normal type moves that I happen to use, even though I only have one of them. I find its power bonus to be superior to that of the Life Orb. Justified ability is a great one to have to get a freebie +1 on all of those Dark types, looking at you Tyranitar. The Ev's are simple, at least I hope they are to you. 252 Atk for power, 252 Spd for, well, speed and the 4 other EV's went into Def so that I had an odd HP number allowing me to come in the maximum amount of times on Stealth Rocks and to take priority hits better. Adamant nature was chosen over Jolly because I liked the extra 10% in power that Adamant provided and I don't end up using much that isn't Extremespeed anyway. Now onto the moveset. Swords Dance is, of course, my boosting move that doubles my Attack stat to 700. Extremespeed doesn't need much explanation, it's the only +2 priority move in the game meaing that it goes before ALL moves . Now Bullet Punch was a nice little additon that I thought would help the team out considerably. I had to stop and think "what switches into a Lucario most often? Hmmmm...oh Gengar, Terrakion, and Jolly Mamoswine!" With a +2 under its belt Lucario gets an OHKO on each of those with STAB Bullet Punch, pretty nice huh? My last slot is reserved for Close Combat. Close Combat is a base 120 power move that gets the STAB boost and is my go to move for the bulky opponents that try to shut me down.

This slot used to be a TR Reuniclus, but after much convincing I changed it to a SDef Rotom-W. The Ev's let it take Hurricanes for days and 12 SATk EV's let me get the OHKO on Tornadus after Rocks.

Hitting hard is what Dragonite does best, so why not make it even more effective with the massive power boost of Choice Band? Multiscale allows me to take almsot any hit from full health and hit bacck with my move of choice. Outrage is the broken base 120 power move that Dragonite almost always carries as its STAB. Outrage has so much power that most of the time I can just brute force my way through incoming resists. Fire Punch does exactly what you think it does, hit Ferrothorn, Forretress, Genesect, you get the drift. Extremespeed was explained before when I discussed its use on Lucario, however, I pretty much only run Extremespeed on this so that I can beat Mamoswine who is becoming popular on the high ladder. Earthquake nabs the OHKO on Jirachi, Tyranitar, Tentacruel, Heatran, pretty much anything weak to Ground is dying to this. There really isn't much that can be changed on this set, it's been the same since I was here nearly a year ago and it has bested time's attempts to take it down.

This is probably the most random and sporadic of all of my Pokemon on this team. It was specifically made to beat certain big threats to the team. Celebi has outstanding natural bulk so I only needed about 92 HP Ev's to add to it. The Speed EV's allow me outpace Adamant Lucario and Timid Heatran. The other 252 go into SATk to make use of my stong STAB and nab the OHKOs on Lucario and Heatran respectively. Modest nature is pretty much all I run on Celebi so why buck the trend now? I wanted something to set up Rocks and Celebi served that role pretty nicely. Leaf Storm has massive power coming off of STAB modest, it's a base 140 power move that has no equal as far as Celebi is concerned. U-Turn is my move that keeps my offensive flow going, I usually predict the times that Genesect is coming in and U-Turn out so I have switch advantage. it also gives me a way to damage other Celebis. Earth Power is what I use to hit Lucario, Heatran and Terrakion (I don't want to risk the miss and the -2 drop). If I had to change a Pokemon, this would most likely be my choice. It has a niche and it fills it, but not quite as well as I could hope.

I'm into doing some weird stuff with my sets, Scizor is kind of weird I guess you could say. I have tried other sets but nothing compares in my honest opinion. Chocie Band gives a major boost to any physical moves I use, and of course, Scizor likes to use that Technician boosted Bullet Punch. U-Turn is one of my strongest STAB moves and maintains offensive pressure. Now here's where things start to stray away from the normal. I've fallen in love with Quick Attack Scizor. waters and Fire types resist my main STAB move so I use this to stop them. It doesn't hit the hardest but it does get the Technician boost and is enough to knock out Volcarona after Rocks damage. I used to have Baton Pass here, but I dont know why I had that now that I think of it since I had U-Turn. So yea now I have Superpower lol. The EV's capitalize on Scizor's very workable bulk by adding to 236 HP EV's, 252 Atk is for obvious reasons, the 20 other Speed EV's help me speed creep FatToed.

Originally Posted by Fat MarioChu (Post 4422888)

Well I don't know how to sum it up. B-E-A-UTIFUL! It's hard to keep up but you seem to have done a solid job with this team. Excellent job with the layout as well. No time to do a full review at the moment, but I'll host input when I do have the time. Nothing major stands out right away which is always good!

Originally Posted by Fat Mosquiton (Post 4423426)

Nice team bro ^^

but Genesect RevengeKill 5/6 of your Poké if Nite's scale is break, imho can give HP Fire to Reniclus > ShadowBall so you can kill him

Originally Posted by Fat Finchinator (Post 4423699)

You're slightly specs toed weak (aren't we all? lol) so I'd advise putting either some more hp evs or some into sp def on celebi so you can tank a specs ice beam/a few specs hydro pumps! Also, keep in mind the power of stealth rocks, it can cripple your dragonite and its survivability of moves like hp ice/ice beam, if you let them set stealth rocks up use the free turn wisely or try to disallow them from getting it up! One of the most common hazard setters, deo-d, what do you lead against them?
This team looks great so far kody, but there are a few impovments that I think can make it better!
-a bud, Finch XD

Originally Posted by Fat Shurtugal (Post 4423824)

I meant to comment on this team earlier!

While I really like this team, I found that this team is pretty much Jirachi's bitch, and even Genesect's Bitch too if your opponent has rocks up, since 25% to ape is a LOT of damage, and add that to possible sand damage and Genesect's U-turn and the damage racks up. Also, Volcarona for me is somewhat annoying since only Dragonite can switch into it safely, and +1 Hurricane / HP Rock is a clean OHKO if they have rocks up. I feel like members on this team are hard to replace, as Reuniclus is a good counter to sun offense, and even though Reu and Celebi are the weakest link, you really need them for major metagame threats. Celebi has to wall rain and you have no other SR pokemon.

To assess these problems, I have a few nitpicks. I would certainly try Flare Blitz over Fire Blast; sure the mixed coverage is great, but, hitting Volcarona and Jirachi harder are really worth it. The only issue is the recoil + SR damage that will wear down Infernape. Not to mention its U-turning at every opportunity.

Another change I recommend you test is replacing Reuniclus for SR Terrakion. It's easily a better check to Volcarona, hit Jirachi for extra damage, can taunt other SR users from getting hazards up on Infernape, and it can take hits from Genesect better. The only problem is that you would have to weigh your options and use Terrakion wisely, since Sash variants don't last as long. However, considering your peak, I'm sure your smart enough to use it to its full extent. While the missed sun check is gone, your major priority abuse and Terrakion's natural ability to fend off sun (with SR and typing) you shouldn't have that many problems with sun. I recommend this set:

http://media.pldh.net/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite/639.png @ Focus Sash
Trait: Justified
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe

~ Close Combat
~ Stone Edge
~ Stealth Rock
~ Taunt / Sandstorm

As I explained earlier, it more reliably gets rocks up on the field, and can just check a lot more threats better. I recommend you go for Taunt, but if you feel sun is that much of an issue, you can ultimately use sandstorm to check it further once they sack Ninetales. With this change, you can replace SR on Celebi for anything from Heal Bell to Recover, I would recommend HP Fire or HP Ice, but that's just me.


Overall; sexy team! Hope you get more active on Smogon!

Your Friend, Shurt

Originally Posted by Fat Finchinator (Post 4424210)

This isn't exactly a rate but, as you said you need rapid spinners that don't have a weakness to politoed; I have compiled some sets!!

haitharitro (Starmie) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 36 SDef / 224 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psyshock
- Scald
- Recover
- Rapid Spin



iSqueez (Tentacruel) (M) @ (No Item)
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Scald
- Rapid Spin


These can fit into your team as a defensive pivot or a tspike stacker with decent bulk!
Test them if you get a shot, I'll add more pokes as I think of them.

Originally Posted by Fat DeBoss (Post 4424201)

Hey I tried your team and I gotta say its amazing! One thing I would like to suggest is Pursuit over Quick Attack on your Scizor. Any Ghost/Psychic locked into their STAB moves can get a beating from a CB pursuit. I've found myself using it more than Quick Attack. Other than that, superb team!

Originally Posted by Fat DarkBlazeR (Post 4424658)

LO > Silk Scarf on Lucario. The x1.3 boost on all your attacks is superior to the x1.2 boost to just Extremespeed, and you'll need the boost from LO in order to OHKO physically defensive Skarmory/Forretress after Stealth Rock with Close Combat. You aren't really bluffing anything by using Silk Scarf seeing as Lucario never uses choice items, and the LO recoil is a non-issue since Lucario can't take un-resisted hits anyway.

Originally Posted by Fat wrestlethebest (Post 4424217)

Thanks for the ideas Finch, your Tenta sparked an idea. I like to use Sub Toxic Tentacruel with just enough speed to outpace Mamoswine. Thoughts on that?

Originally Posted by Fat Finchinator (Post 4424913)

Sounds like a good idea but, be sure to have enough bulk phsically invested into tentacruel!
Letting it outpace mamo (and dnite) will help with the wearing down while lucario/dragonite will finish them!

Only one problem, what to replace?

Originally Posted by Fat Phetto (Post 4424887)

Really cool team bro... I only see a little weakness to Special dragons, since that Scizor lacks a recovery and the power to threaten stuff like Lati@s, I suggest you to try the set above. You'll gain a way to deal with specs meteors and the possibility to have sort of a lategame sweeper after the death of heatran and other usual counters that you should keep under pressure with the rest of the offensive core. It's cool also to deal with enemy reuniclus and bluffing the choice itemer in the early game might turn the battle in your favor once you decide to setup. You'll lose the quick attack, but with 2 extremespeeders and scarfape it wouldn't be so bad. Let me know if it works ;)

Scizor (M) @ Iron Plate
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 192 SDef / 12 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch

Originally Posted by Fat Chimpakt (Post 4425501)

Celebi definitely has to be the weakest link to your team. With it being weak to U-turn and the immense popularity of pokemon like tornadus, Genesect and Scizor, you will have a tough time finding an opportunity to use Stealth Rock. It's especially difficult for Celebi to set up rocks and actually do something to contribute to your team.

One thing your Celebi did do to help your team out was it take on Rain threats (not named Tornadus) pretty well. If you replace it with a Deoxys with stealth rock and spikes, and your Reuniclus with Rotom-W, your team is less vulnerable to Tyranitar and you preserve your momentum with Rotom-W. Additionally, if you don't fodder off your Deoxys in the beginning you can always get a free switch by letting it die later on in the match.

Specially defensive Rotom-W will help you keep your momentum and with Infernape and Scizor's U-turn along with entry hazard support, it will pave the way for one of your pokemon to sweep the match. Rotom-W also helps you take on Tornadus, Politoed, and gives you a pokemon to take random scalds.