Lilligant - Unreserved (QC 3/3)
Didn't changed in BW2
Great Special Attack and Speed
Access to Quiver Dance to boost his Special Attack, Speed and Special Defense
Lilligant has also Sleep Powder to help to set-up
However, Lilligant has a bad offensive type
A really shallow movepool
Need Hidden Power for coverage
Overall, Lilligant is an excellent and unique special sweeper
name: Offensive Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Hidden Power Fire/Hidden Power Rock
item: Leftovers/ Lum Berry
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Quiver Dance is the best Lilligant's boosting move
She is the perfect user of this movet, it boostes Lilligant's great Special Attack, good Speed and decent Special Defense
Sleep Powder allows to render useless a counter like Munchlax and Drapion
Giga Drain is the main STAB and recovering HP
Hidden Power Rock hits hard fire-types like Moltres and Entei and also -Sygliph
Hidden Power Fire hits hard grass and steel such as Ferroseed ,other Lilligant, Ferroseed and Roselia and Escavalier
The choice between the two moves depends of the team but Hidden Power Fire is generaly more useful because Moltres is faster because of IV drop, Entei has ExtremeSpeed and other Fire-types like Magmortar and Typhlosion are uncommon while Ferroseed, Rotom-C, Roselia and Escavalier are all common and complety wall Lilligant without Hidden Power Fire
EVs spread gives maximum power and speed
Timid nature allows to outspeed positive natured base 80s and as well speed tie with other positive natured base 90s
Leftovers for the staying power
Lum Berry to avoid status
Modest nature and Life Orb can be use for the extra power
Petal Dance could be use because it has much more power but the lock into à Grass move can be risky. In this case, Own Tempo is the best ability because it prevents from confusion
Wall by Fire-types if not using Hidden Power Rock and by Grass-types if not using Hidden Power Fire
Bulky water-types like Slowking and Quilfish for deal with Fire-types if using Hidden Power Fire
Fire-types like Entei and Moltres for deal with Grass-types if using Hidden Power Rock
name: Bulky Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Sleep Powder/Aromatherapy
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Rock
evs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 Spe
This set uses Lilligant's decent defenses to set-up easier Quiver Dance
Pratically same moves
Quiver Dance boosts Lilligant's great Special Attack, good speed and decent special defense easily thanks to the defensive investment
Giga Drain is the best STAB on this set because of the recovering.
Sleep Powder to put counters to sleep
Aromatherapy could be use to cure status like Toxic and Thunder Wave
Again, the choice of the Hidden Power depends of the team
Hidden Power Rock hits harder Fire-types while Hidden Power Fire hits other grass-types
The EVs spread and the nature allow Lilligant to outspeed Swellow and Sceptile after a Quiver Dance while providing bulk
Substitute can be use, allowing Lilligant to protect from status moves but is generaly outclass by Sleep Powder because the last move allows to render useless a Pokemon and an easier set-up
Same counters, Grass-types if not using Hidden Power Fire and Fire-types if not using Hidden Power Rock.
Same teamnates, fire-types if not using Hidden Power Fire and water-types if not using Hidden Power Rock
- a Sunny Day support can be use
- except that, Lilligant doesn't too much options, she only has defensive options
- a support set can be use
- Stun Spore, Toxic, Healing Wish, Leech Seed and Light Screen are great options
- a physicaly or specialy defensive spread can be use in this case
[Checks and Counters]
- Grass and Steel like Ferrossed, Rotom-C, Victreebel and Escavalier and Sygliph if not using Hidden Power Fire
- Fire-types like Moltres, Entei, Magmortar and Typhlosion if not using Hidden Power Rock
- Sap Sipper Bouffalant, Miltank and Sawsbuck
- Unaware Clefable
Mention Aromatherapy Quiver Dance.
Mention Substitute Quiver Dance.
Add Sap Sipper Miltank and Sawsbuck, and Unaware Clefable into Checks and Counters.
Get Lum Berry out of the Offensive QD Set - add lefties instead.
QC APPROVED 1/3
edit: meant life orb out of offensive qd, not lum berry. sorry!
Why is Chlorophyll the main option when you're slashing Petal Dance?
Windsong : I added all changes, thanks
kokoloko : Thanks, I mention Own Tempo is the best ability with Petal Dance
I'm not really convinced on the Sunny Day set. It looks "ok" but that's not good enough. As a supporter it's quite frail and just compounds weaknesses that sun teams already have, and as an attacker it's inferior to the more common Chlorophyll sweepers due to how easy it is to wall, and inferior to its own QD set too, since +1 Giga Drain is almost as strong as SolarBeam. It has a small niche and might be useful occasionally, but that's what OO is for.
QD should be split into two sets. Trying to cram LO/Lum/Lefties/Giga Drain/Petal Dance/Aromatherapy/Sleep Powder/Substitute/offensive/bulky all into one set is a bad idea. The offensive set should be exactly what's on site right now, except remove the Modest slash because Modest is dumb, and move Petal Dance to AC imo. The bulky set should be similar to what's on site, with Substitute mentioned in AC, and maybe an updated spread.
Thanks Honko, I did all your changes.
Have you got a new spread for the bulky set ?
I don't know if I'm the only one that thinks this, but in my opinion HP Fire is better than HP Rock in this metagame. The main reasons to use HP Rock are for Moltres (outspeeds because of IV drop), Entei (has ExtremeSpeed anyway), and Magmortar (isn't that common or good right now). However, when you use HP Fire you can beat Ferroseed, Rotom-C, Roselia (with some prior damage), and Escavalier, which you would lose to otherwise and are overall much more common. Personally, I'm a lot more scared if Lilligant has HP Fire as opposed to HP Rock.
QC APPROVED 2/3
I agree with c_l but either one is fine as the primary slash
Thanks, I'll mention HP Fire is better and also slash it as the primary option
edit : got out Life Orb, thanks
QC Approved 3/3
I know this would be caught in GP but just so you know, you need spaces between the slash itself and the things being separated by it. Example being:
Please hold off on writing this up. QC is still discussing what to do with the 2nd set, and if SubQD deserves its own set.
Ok, I'll only write the Introduction and Offensive Quiver Dance's SET COMMENTS
This has been reassigned. Post in the index thread if you want it!
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