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Seven Deadly Sins Dec 24th, 2012 6:17:35 PM

Project: Overviews- Mark II
 
Welcome to the new Project Overviews!

I'm going to leave out a lot of the overhead of the last thread and just get down to business here. Overviews need a lot of improvement across the board, and we're going to use this thread to make sure that any "sub-par" overviews get revamped. What I'm not going to allow is for bad overviews to be replaced by mediocre overviews. In order to fulfill this aim, I'm going to lay down a couple general rules for how Overviews should work.

  • Cut the fluff. This is a competitive Pokemon site, not the Pokemon Fan Club. We don't care how dashing your Rapidash's flowing mane is, and honestly we don't even really care that it's a horse on fire. Additionally, cut the metaphors, similes, or cute pet names for the Pokemon. If we're talking about Infernape, don't call it a monkey, don't talk about it swinging, just call it Infernape and concentrate on its competitive aspects.
  • Don't sell the Pokemon. Overviews are about describing the Pokemon, not trying to make people use it. Describe the Pokemon, tell people what they're getting into, and let people decide what Pokemon works for their team. It is not your job to try and convince people that they should use the Pokemon in the analysis. This is something that tends to pop up a lot when people are writing about their "favorite Pokemon" and think that the Pokemon they're writing about gets a short shrift in the metagame, and overhype it in order to make up for it.
  • Don't undersell the Pokemon. I know this seems like it contradicts #2, but there's something to remember: if a Pokemon has an OU analysis, it's because either it earned that analysis by having an interesting niche, or it's OU, which means it earned the usage to stay in the OU tier. There is an exception for BL Pokemon, which clearly haven't earned a place in OU, but are "too good" for UU. If it's a Pokemon that simply doesn't have a place in OU, but is banned from UU, then explain what makes it broken in UU, and explain how that doesn't translate to OU usage. However, for OU Pokemon, make sure your overview doesn't turn into a list of reasons not to use a Pokemon.
  • Brevity is your friend. Make sure that your writing is flowing and easy to read, but still concise. Overviews should generally not be longer than 2 paragraphs- 1 about strong suits, 1 about weaknesses / issues.
  • There's a difference between concise and short. Make sure that while you don't get all fluffy and overly wordy, you also don't leave out significant detail. An overview should be a general introduction to the Pokemon's strengths and weaknesses, not a couple words about some things the Pokemon can do.
  • This is more stylistic than a "rule", but the first sentence should go out of its way to pull the reader in. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and analyses are no exception. The best analyses have a first sentence that captures the attention of the reader and makes them want to read the rest of the analysis.

While these rules are not hard and fast, it takes an especially good writer to break them and not screw it up, and it takes a special Pokemon to warrant an exception.

Let's take a look at some examples:

Tyranitar's DP Overview:

Quote:

Monstrous, both competitively and aesthetically, Tyranitar is easily one of the most dangerous Pokemon in the game, and for good reason. Its excellent stat spread gives it incredible versatility, allowing it to perform in nearly any role it wants. Choice Scarf sets make incredible trappers and revenge killers, while mixed and Choice Band sets pack incredible power and generally make stall weep. On top of that, Tyranitar can sweep with a Dragon Dance set. It's no slouch defensively as well, with 100/110/100 defenses bolstered by Sand Stream and its Rock typing.

That said, Tyranitar isn't without issues. Numerous weaknesses to common types make it tough to survive hits from many opponents, and the popularity of Scizor, its greatest nemesis, doesn't help. Despite these faults, Tyranitar is an excellent Pokemon, and easy to fit into nearly any type of team.
An opening line that grabs the reader, and a concise overview of the Pokemon's capabilities. Then a concise overview of its issues, and a solid wrapup.

Iconic's Sharpedo, from the last thread:

Quote:

Like a plethora of other Pokemon that were hopelessly useless in DPP, Sharpedo went from a sub-par attacker to a legitimate BW OU threat as a result of its new Dream World Ability. Sharpedo is used almost exclusively as a Life Orb sweeper on offensive rain teams, utilizing Protect to nab a free Speed Boost and then attempting a sweep with its great movepool and deadly dual STAB. Thanks to impressive mixed attacking stats, Sharpedo can choose to go either fully physical or mixed, and it has access to powerful moves such as Waterfall, Crunch, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Earthquake. While Sharpedo possesses all the tools it needs to be a top-tier sweeper, its hampered by its pitiful defenses that rank among the worst in the entire game, meaning it can't even switch into resisted attacks. Sharpedo is also almost completely walled by the one Pokemon that almost always gives rain teams the shivers: Ferrothorn. However, when played to its strengths as a late-game cleaner with Drizzle support, Sharpedo can prove to be both a unique and useful offensive presence.
Again, a first sentence that grabs the reader, an overview of its abilities, a touch of realism, and a solid wrapup.

In general, these are the types of overviews that we're looking for. Note that I'll be personally judging all overviews suggested, and any that violate the rules above will be rejected and need to be retouched. Approved overviews will be GPed and uploaded by staff. Additionally, any analysis currently in progress is ineligible to be revamped in this thread, and instead will be done in its own thread.

This thread is going to run similar to the last one. People can reserve on-site analyses that need an overview revamp, and submit their own takes on the overview. However, before being GPed and pushed to the site, they will have to go through me. If you want, you can consult with me on IRC for help- if I'm on IRC you can always find me in #C&C.

Looking forward to a new set of overviews!

Lavos Spawn Dec 24th, 2012 11:30:36 PM

Thank you. This needed to change. Some analyses are so buried in fluff that it's hard to find the actual substance underneath it all. I'd also agree with you in saying that the first sentence of any analysis is of extreme importance. Most beginners are drawn into using a Pokemon by its overall appeal due to aesthetic factors as well as the description it's given in the first line of the analysis. One sentence can make or break a Pokemon for some people. The rest of the opening paragraph is just as critical. Iconic's paragraph on Sharpedo, in particular, is an example of excellent prose that we should all strive to emulate.

PK Gaming Dec 28th, 2012 12:46:46 AM

Alright, time to get the ball rolling!

New Overview


Old Overview


Why it was changed: The old analysis had too much hype. Way too much hype for a Pokemon that wasn't even OU. Illusion is useful, but even if you use it properly, it'll hardly turn the tide of battle. The overview mentions Zoroark's frailty, but there was too little emphasis on Zoroark's second biggest flaw; its "good-but-not good-enough" Speed stat. I've corrected these issues, and toned down the hype (while also giving its fair due).

Note: I am aware of the fact I use some text from its "counters" section, i'll be revamping its counters section too.

Seven Deadly Sins Dec 28th, 2012 12:51:03 AM

I like it. This is what I'd like to see more of. Any GPers checking out this thread can check PK's Zoroark.

Lord of Bays Dec 29th, 2012 4:39:26 PM

Are we doing every single OU entry/again? I know Aldaron's topic already had an archive and some were even uploaded already (my Hydreigon included).

PK Gaming Jan 4th, 2013 3:03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Lord of Bays (Post 4519518)
Are we doing every single OU entry/again? I know Aldaron's topic already had an archive and some were even uploaded already (my Hydreigon included).

Yes

Some of the old ones are being uploaded by QC team's discretion; if the overview hasn't been updated, assume that that you're free to make another one.

EDIT: Don't forget to keep in mind that some of the analyses are getting revamps, so some of the updated overviews aren't necessary.

complete legitimacy Jan 4th, 2013 4:06:47 PM

Quote:

Zoroark is all about fighting dirty, by using sneaky tricks and underhanded tactics to win matches. It achieves this by utilizing its signature ability, Illusion, which allows to appear as the 6Pokemon in the sixth slot Pokemon onof your team. This can lead to some pretty tricky mindgames, as your opponent has no idea if you've sent Zoroark out or not. That Scizor that just switched in might be secretly a Zoroark in disguise that's just waiting to roast your Skarmory with Flamethrower. Your Heatran might not stop that Jirachi if it happens to carry Focus Blast. When all's said and done however, Zoroark is burdened with several limitations that prevent it from being an absolute murderer. It's disappointingly frail, to the point where it can never switch into anything, and any remotely powerful attack will OHKO it. It relies on its Speed to KO opposing Pokemon, but 105 Bbase 105 Speed is a step below several prominent Pokemon, notably the Swords of JusticeKeldeo, Terrakion, Gengar, and Tornadus-T. Still, when it comes down to it, Zoroark is the perfect assassin, taking out unaware targets with impunity. J; just don't let it get caught outside of the shadows.
c/p



GP Approved .

Great job with this; I enjoyed reading it.

Lord of Bays Jan 4th, 2013 4:33:31 PM

@PK Gaming: Awesome, thanks.

ScraftyIsTheBest Jan 21st, 2013 9:13:55 PM

Deleted above post 'cause I might as well right a new set of overviews.

Anyways, here are some overview I think could be worth changing.

Staraptor:
Current Overview


Proposed Overview


Reason for change: Okay, this bird may have been OP in UU, alright, but, to put it bluntly, it's not exactly up to par in OU. It does have some perks and all, but there was a need to emphasize on why it's BL and not OU.

Pants Lizard:
Current Overview


Proposed Overview


Reason for change: I made it pretty different this time around. I really love Scrafty, as my name says, but I mean really, it's just not up to par in this meta. I know it's got that cool typing and awesome boosting moves and abilities, but really, it struggles to find a place in this metagame. Its low speed really kills it, and its bulk just isn't up to par. I know it can be successful, but it's often outclassed by other Fighting-types. Wow, I never thought I'd say those words.

Sableye:
Current Overview


Proposed Overview


Reasons for change: Mmmhmm. Why not just mention why we should even bother using Sableye in OU?

Crawdaunt
Current Overview


Proposed Overview


Reason for change: Yeah. The current overview is really hyping up Crawdaunt. It really isn't that good in this meta and should only be used if you want something that has so much power to smash through lots of bulky Pokemon. Otherwise, stick to something else.

Lord of Bays Jan 31st, 2013 2:53:42 PM

With blessing from PK Gaming, I give thee... Garchomp.

Old and busted...


New hotness

Seven Deadly Sins Jan 31st, 2013 4:50:01 PM

Will check out Scrafty's when I get home, but the Garchomp one is a bit long at first glance. I like the intro sentence, though.

Lord of Bays Jan 31st, 2013 5:17:34 PM

Yeah, that's what PK Gaming and I thought. I'd love for any advice, because I'm stuck right now. I'll get bursts of inspiration (the entire overview after the first sentence was written in about 20 minutes last night) and then I sit on it for weeks at a time.

And thanks.

tehy Feb 17th, 2013 3:37:51 AM

I can give you some stuff to take out in the final paragraph if you'd like:
Cut the second incredible in the first sentence.
Maybe just cut the whole 'absence of Sand Veil'? That's not really much of a shortcoming IMO, more of a 'thing that is banned/made him banworthy'. Yes, he used to have it, but given as no non-uber has that NOW, it's not exactly a shortcoming.
As long as nothing relevant has 102 Speed, is it really necessary to mention the uniqueness?


Also, resisting SR doesn't give him switch-in opportunities so much as it gives him freer switch-ins. If Mence could switch in and do whatever Chomp was about to do, he'd probably do it.

Oh yeah and finally:Chomp is versatile as hell, as you yourself have noted. So his analysis might be a little longer, because there's more to cover.
(Also, provide him, not provides him, in the first paragraph.)

Maybe cut out mentions of BW move tutors and generation shift? I've seen such mentions before and allowed in, but it's just kind of taking up space. (Sub-typing? Just typing?)

Does Chomp even restalk phaze? Never really seen that.

Jukain Feb 18th, 2013 8:37:28 PM

@Lord of Bays: It shouldn't be that hard to shorten that. What you have to do is cut out some of the fluff. A few examples:

Quote:

providing immunity to Electric attacks such as Thunder, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, and a resistance to Stealth Rock, giving him switch-in opportunities his Flying brothers would rage for.
This whole section can easily be shortened to "providing an immunity to Electric attacks and a resistance to Stealth Rock." You don't really need the rest.
Quote:

His fantastic base 108 HP and 95/85 defenses gives him better all-around bulk than Swampert! Garchomp was given every tool he needs to succeed as a defensive pivot and harasser in the generation shift: Rough Skin ensures any physical attacker will be wishing they had stayed home; Dragon Tail gives Garchomp a powerful phazing tool, which mixes perfectly with Stealth Rock, a gift from the Black and White 2 Move Tutors. His excellent base 102 speed even makes Garchomp quite possibly the most devastating RestTalk phazer in the game, as opposing attackers will find him far sturdier than other Pokémon as powerful and walls that can take his punishment will quickly find themselves returned to their Pokéballs only to take more damage upon re-entry.
Yes, pretty much all of the second paragraph. You don't need to mention the secondary Dragon STAB for the last set in the overview. RestTalk phazer Garchomp doesn't exist. This can be shortened to one or two sentences talking about Stealth Rock and Rough Skin briefly. You have the sets to explain Garchomp; the overview is exactly what the word implies, an overview.

Fixing those two sections should get your overview down to a good length. You might want to look over the rest of it, but to me, it looks good.

Lord of Bays Feb 18th, 2013 10:42:37 PM

Thanks man, I had completely forgotten about this. I'll give it a looksie tonight, real life has been really weird the last few weeks.

Lord of Bays Mar 21st, 2013 5:27:37 AM

So I haven't touched this in nearly two months, but I looked at Garchomp's overview again, and I hope this is up to snuff.

Old and busted...


New hotness


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