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eric the espeon Jul 12th, 2009 9:10:39 PM

(Archive) Small Objective Changes Thread
 
Archive of the Small objective changes thread. All suggestions here have either been made or rejected.

Old posts which were merged so no longer have an owner

eric the espeon Sep 1st, 2009 4:37:34 PM

In Firefox the R/S main page displays oddly, the picture on the right seems to be too large and pushes the list of useful links (Pokemon/Articles/ect) down to below it in a way that seems awkward and is not in line with any of the other generations. I can screenshot if its wanted.

Maybe shrinking the image, cutting off some whitespace (there is a little) or shifting the borders slightly would fix this?

CardsOfTheHeart Sep 1st, 2009 4:42:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon (Post 2181261)
In Firefox the R/S main page displays oddly, the picture on the right seems to be too large and pushes the list of useful links (Pokemon/Articles/ect) down to below it in a way that seems awkward and is not in line with any of the other generations. I can screenshot if its wanted.

Maybe shrinking the image, cutting off some whitespace (there is a little) or shifting the borders slightly would fix this?

I, for one, would be interested in seeing a screenshot of this. I also use Firefox and it doesn't look awkward to me.

eric the espeon Sep 1st, 2009 5:32:37 PM

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9831/screen2d.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7282/screen1faq.png

I'm not sure how many people have this problem, but the settings of my FF are pretty standard so I doubt I'm the only one.

CardsOfTheHeart Sep 1st, 2009 6:55:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon (Post 2181403)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9831/screen2d.png
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7282/screen1faq.png

I'm not sure how many people have this problem, but the settings of my FF are pretty standard so I doubt I'm the only one.

Ah, of course I'm not going to see that because my monitor's standard resolution is 1280x800. When I switched to 1024x768, I was able to see what you're seeing. The Salamence image is wider than the images used on the other main pages so it could use some adjustment.

Scoopapa Oct 13th, 2009 11:29:37 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/heatran

Heatran's Scarf set left out a couple of words in the middle of the fourth paragraph.

(words added in bold)

Quote:

While Choice Scarf Heatran makes a great revenge killer to a large portion of the metagame, it faces problems against Pokémon which can attempt set up on it, particularly if they either resist or are immune to the attack Heatran is locked into. Although Stealth Rock hampers it's ability to switch in repeatedly, Jolly Dragon Dance Gyarados can easily take a Fire Blast, boost both its Attack and Speed, and KO you with Waterfall on the next turn, as Jolly variants outspeed Heatran. At most, Heatran can only manage 34.94% with Fire Blast against Gyarados, which fails to 2HKO, even with Stealth Rock and Sandstorm damage factored in. Dragon Dance Salamence can also switch into a Heatran locked into anything bar Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power Ice, or a well-timed Explosion, and set up, as Fire Blast manages, at most, 46.69%, to any variant of Salamence. Afterwards, Salamence will proceed to KO you with Earthquake or Outrage against any Pokémon you might have switched in against it. It should be noted that Salamence can't actually switch into Heatran directly, especially if it is running a Special Defense hindering nature, as it faces a large risk of being 2HKOed by Fire Blast, even if resisted. In fact, Salamence without any HP investment faces a 75.48% chance of being 2HKOed by Fire Blast after Stealth Rock damage, and will always be 2HKOed if using a Special Defense hindering nature. Latias can switch into most of Heatran's attacks with ease due to her high Special Defense stat and resistance to Fire-type attacks and proceed to set up Calm Minds or hit you with Surf. Kingdra, in particular, will cause the most trouble, as it has a 4x resistance to Fire-type attacks and is usually bulky enough to take at least 1 non-boosted attack that isn't Dragon-typed, meaning it will usually be at +2 in Attack and Speed if you attempt to revenge kill it with Heatran, which will obviously fail to outspeed Kingdra. And to top it all off, Blissey can switch into this Heatran with no trouble at all as long as it avoids Explosion. Bulky Water-types can also switch into Heatran with ease; Suicune gains a special mention as its ability, Pressure, can easily drain Fire Blast's low PP.

It was "especially is running a..." and should be "especially if it is running a..."

Choray Oct 20th, 2009 7:57:13 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/absol

Absol's Mixed Sweeper set notes that "Psycho Cut is for the omnipotent Poison- and Fighting-types, namely Hariyama and Drapion, while Night Slash gives Absol a strong secondary attack against slower opponents instead of relying on Sucker Punch."

Now, I'm pretty new and inexperienced all around, and worry I've missed something, somewhere, but I'm pretty sure Drapion's Dark-type makes Psycho Cut a rather ineffective counter to it. I'm not entirely sure if there are any Poison-types to replace Drapion with in this context, just to keep the sentence mostly as is, but I figure it might at least be worth it to point out inaccurate info and suggestions, even if it's just an example.

Erodent Oct 21st, 2009 7:22:47 AM

Understood (choray).

green_flash Nov 1st, 2009 9:50:04 AM

http://www.smogon.com/rs/pokemon/hitmonchan

Quote:

Drop Earthquake for it if you're using Hitmonlee in OU, but stick it in the last slot if you're using it in UU.
this is hitmonchan's analysis

vashta Nov 1st, 2009 10:28:09 AM

@ green_flash: This has been dealt with, awaiting cache. Thanks.

Steven Snype Nov 3rd, 2009 9:13:26 PM

Speed tier Correction for OU:
 
http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ou_speed_tiers

For + 1 users: It says:

525 Gengar, Azelf 110 +Speed +1 252
Azelf is in base 115 category, not base 110. In addition, Scarf Starmie is also a viable set that should not be forgotten. They should be placed above Gengar with:

541 Azelf, Starmie 115 + Speed +1 252

is what Azelf's speed tier would say.

Phantasia Nov 7th, 2009 8:53:36 PM

In the Counters section for Aerodactyl there's a typo in the second paragraph.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Smogon
If you don't want to rely on priority to defeat Aerodactyl, Rotom-A and Swampert make excellentcounters. Forretress and Bronzong can both use Gyro Ball to eliminate Aerodactyl, but the former has to be wary of Fire Fang or Fire Blast. Pokemon with Choice Scarf can either revenge kill or lure in Aerodactyl for the KO. If you plan on attempting to draw out Aerodactyl like that, be sure to keep the fact that you are using Choice Scarf hidden.

Needs to add a space to make it "excellent counters".

Diesel Nov 12th, 2009 9:49:05 PM

In the first sentence of Tyranitar's BaitTar set, "mimicing" should be spelled with a 'k'.

TheMantyke Nov 15th, 2009 12:28:46 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/feraligatr

Under Other Options there's a weird sentence.
Quote:

Dragon Claw and Rock Slide is only useful against Altaria, but Rock Slide does have a chance to flinch which could be useful in some cases, while Crunch can be used to smack bulky Ghost- and Psychic-types such as Mismagius and Slowbro.
That is should be an are

DDRMaster Nov 17th, 2009 5:20:42 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ubers_speed_tiers

In the Tier 0 section of the Ubers Speed Tiers article, it says:

473 Rayquaza 95 +Speed +1 252

+1 max speed Jolly Rayquaza actually reaches a speed of 475. (95*2+31+252/4+5=289; 289*1.1=317.9; 317*1.5=475)

In the Tier 1 section, says:

379 Heatran 77 +speed None 252

Heatran actually reaches that speed with a neutral nature and a +1 boost.

TheMantyke Nov 17th, 2009 10:14:41 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/smeargle

Under Counters, the "Ubers" headline's U isn't capitalized.

Umbreon Dan Nov 22nd, 2009 2:00:19 AM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/alakazam

choice scarf set; second paragraph

Quote:

Trick is a very important move on this set, as it is Alakazam's best defense against Pokemon with the ability to wall it, such as Blissey or a Skarmory that invests in Special Defense. or who can wall this set all day.
i'm not really sure but i'm guessing it should be:

Trick is a very important move on this set, as it is Alakazam's best defense against Pokemon with the ability to wall it, such as Blissey or a Skarmory that invests in Special Defense who can wall this set all day.

edit:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/hippowdon

first paragraph of the choice band set says "Choice Band Hippowon" so change that to Hippowdon

Wombat Sky Forme Nov 22nd, 2009 6:45:12 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/parasect

Quote:

The most dominant counters to Parasect are Blaziken and Honchkrow. Blaziken can come in on any move, besides Spore, and then threaten Parasect with Fire Blast or another Fire-type move. Honchkrow may be the most threatening of the three, as it can easily come in on Spore due to the ability Insomnia and will only take neutral damage from X-Scissor while dishing out the moves Drill Peck or Heat Wave to score a OHKO.
In Parasect's D/P Psychic Spooker set, Blaziken and Honchkrow are listed as counters, however the comments also say three counters where I bolded it.

I am not sure if it means Parasect, Blaziken, and Honchkrow, or the writer just meant to say of the two or whatever.

Jimbo Nov 22nd, 2009 6:49:22 PM

I'll go change that WSF, thanks

undisputed Nov 22nd, 2009 10:42:12 PM

Small typo but I feel like it could be corrected easily. Its the 3rd paragraph of the choice scarf set for Darkrai. There is no period at the end of the last sentence in the paragraph.

link: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/darkrai

Plopper Nov 23rd, 2009 4:17:37 PM

Found a few typoes in the Belly Drum Analysis (http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/belly_drum):

Pokémon Effect/Status/Third sentence: "..Paralysis can result in immobilization for a turn, in addition to halving th eSpeed stat of the paralyzed Pokémon.."

Masters of the Craft/Smeargle/Third paragraph/Second sentence: "...it cannot compete in the lower tiers, and must face some of the most fearome Pokémon in the game"

Umbreon Dan Nov 24th, 2009 1:04:54 AM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/deoxys-a

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat OPINION
Deoxys-A is a monster of a sweeper, everything in the game is OHKOed or 2HKOed by its attacks.

bolded comma should be a semicolon or the conjunction "as" should be added after it

Plopper Nov 26th, 2009 12:21:11 PM

More typos...

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/rotom-h

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Team Options, 3rd paragraph
Rotom-H's fanastic typing leaves it with two weaknesses: Dark and Ghost. Tyranitar resists both of these types so it as a great defensive asset to Rotom-H. The Tyranitar and Rotom-H combination actually resists every time in the game. Scizor also resists both Dark and Ghost. Heatran is a favorable teammate to Rotom-H because it invites Ground and Fighting attacks. This will allow Rotom-H to switch in easily. Blissey also attacts Fighting-type attacks; it is immune to Ghost-type attacks as well.


Jimbo Nov 26th, 2009 12:35:26 PM

I'll go fix those typos, thanks.

eric the espeon Nov 27th, 2009 2:43:56 PM

Several links in the introduction to competitive Pokemon guide are broken, or link to less than ideal places. A few more could be included.

This sentence:
Quote:

For more information on EV's and how to EV train Pokémon in the cartridge games, see here.
Should link to: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/ev_manual

Quote:

More information on IV breeding can be found in the Breeding Guide.
The link is broken, the breeding guide is now found at: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/...ng_guide_part1

The shoddy battle section should probably link to: http://www.smogon.com/shoddybattle/

The Tiers section should probably link to: http://www.smogon.com/articles/tiers as it explains them in much more depth.


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