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Tyranitar's Destruction: Unleash!
http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/lol.jpg Infernape with another RMT here. After using my second team that was one of my most successful teams of all time, I want to make another team because I was bored of it. This team managed to get a record of 20-7 on PO. Those 7 loses was because I keep changing team members in the team. Also, I want to use my Set which is Anti-Lead Gallade. Its fun using sets people don’t even know. Without further ado, I present you the team! http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png TYPE CHART http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z.../TypeChart.png http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png INTO THE DEPTHS http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/475.png Gallade (M) @ Expert Belt
Comparative list of leads About Gallade Vs Other Leads
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..... Considered Changes Changes made, no new ones at the moment. <3 this beast http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/130.png Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
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http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/479.png Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf
Considered Changes Changes made, no new ones at the moment http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/485.png Heatran (M) @ Passho Berry
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http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/z...slayer/472.png Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
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http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png Threat List (Updating..Havent even Start on it Yet) http://i45.tinypic.com/2h5tgjl.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/286.png Breloom :
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/395.png Empoleon : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/330.png Flygon : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/094.png Gengar : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/130.png Gyarados : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/485.png Heatran : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/392.png Infernape : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/385.png Jirachi :
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/448.png Lucario : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/068.png Machamp: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/212.png Scizor : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/121.png Starmie : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/468.png Togekiss : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/248.png Tyranitar : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/461.png Weavile : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/242.png Blissey: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/437.png Bronzong : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/251.png Celebi : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/488.png Cresselia : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/205.png Forretress : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/472.png Gliscor: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/450.png Hippowdon : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/227.png Skarmory : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/143.png Snorlax : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/245.png Suicune: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/260.png Swampert : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/073.png Tentacruel : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/134.png Vaporeon : http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/spri...prites/145.png Zapdos:
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Hey good team you have here but just a few nitpicks:
~you might want to run stealth rock somewhere, maybe on heatran or gliscor since it nets tyranitar some crucial KO's and stuff. ~scizor can easily revenge kill your tyranitar so maybe luring him out then Magnezone? Sorry for the poor rate but those were just the things that came to my mind. |
Well small rate is all i can give your really Buddy but i would suggest this
Rotom-A give him Substitute over reflect gives him more longevity and allows him to survive super effective moves on switch ins. Gyarados - I disagree with return i would run Eq or Bounce simply because your have rotom-A to deal with bulky waters I see too things that would really hurt your team. Scizor can Ko TTar rotom and heatran and gallade to an extent with superpower bullet punch and pursuit though its unlikely they run all 3 on one set, they your Gyarados and gliscor can wall him to can extent bar that you have a slight suicune problem once rotom and and gallade die. Because of this running Infernape over heatran and Rotom C over rotom A might help because gliscor already deals with Fire moves. and rotom C can have all the same moves just leaf storm over reflect if needed and couple that with your gyarados your have a fair few suicune counters. |
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Nah, I LOVE Return, its a Epic move on Gyarados once rotom dies, so i have a back-up...Scizor won't be killing everything because rotom have reflect for it. about infernape, which set and what for? I will try Rotom-C Thanks for rating Buddy ^^ |
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First of all, I suggest you give your Gallade an Expert Belt instead of Life Orb. It still nets you KOs against Machamp and Swampert and 2HKO on Azelf while not having to lose 10% health every turn. Second, if you want your TTar to do some sweeping, you NEED Stealth Rock somewhere. Also, Gengar rips through your team once Gallade is gone, so I suggest you replace Heatran with something like: Bronzong@Leftovers Ability: Levitate Sassy nature EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD -Stealth Rock -Gyro Ball -Payback -Hypnosis/Explosion/Earthquake It counters Gengar pretty well while setting down rocks. Swampert and Skarmory is set-up fodder for Gyarados, Infernape can also be handled by both Gyara and Bronzong(should you decide to run EQ). Also walls Scizor which can swiftly KO TTar. Thats all atm, gl P.S. Loving the pictures! |
well firstly lets deal with rotom-C set
Rotom-C Bold 252hp/252spa/3spd or your current set -left storm -thunderbolt -reflect/substitute -painsplit Personally i would run the + Spa set so u can Ko suicune with Leaf storm or thunderbolt Ok Infernape i would use over heatran as it packs more of a punch with its specially mixnape set still dealing with the problems heatran does but also it has the ability to ko suicune with a Grass knot The specially mixed set would be your best bet as gliscor allready deals with the fire moves heatran absorbs. |
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Woah, I haven't Thought about Expert Belt, imma give it a try, thanks alot Thanks for Liking the RMT Friend! ;D Quote:
Seems Good, i will try that out, hopefully it destroys Suicune ;D Thanks for Rating! |
I still think EQ would be better on Tyranitar to deal with Jirachi, and Heatran. After a +1 Boost EQ OHKOs standard Shuca Heatran. Gliscor would still be a problem, but you always have Gyarados anyway.
On Gyarados, I strongly recommend Bounce. It gives him a powerful STAB move which allows him to deal with Starmie, Suicune [to some degree], Celebi and others really well, however you do then get owned by Vaporeon. However the 30% parahax can come in handy against some pokes, and the extra turn of leftovers recovery is nice. Really just suggestions, looks like a solid team already. |
Hey, got your PM so I'll give you a rate.
First of all, solid team and great presentation. Life Orb isn't really needed on Gallade, try Expert Belt as you hit most common leads super-effectively, and the absence of recoil allows Gallade to take random hits such as Aero's Rock Slide or Azelf's Fire Blast better. You can also go with a Lum Berry to destroy Roserade through Zen Headbutt + Shadow Sneak, and to get the jump on Smeargle. Close Combat is a necessary STAB move, I really think you should try it over Earthquake. I'd recommend trying out Bounce over Return, as it hits Bulky Waters harder, and gains super-effective coverage on the likes of Shaymin, Celebi and Machamp. Return is decent for better neutral coverage, but Bounce is beneficial in that it also provides an extra turn of Lefties recovery. Rock Slide on Tyranitar is a little too weak for my liking, one instance where you miss the power is on Bulky Gyara after Intimidate. It also misses out on the 2HKO on Skarm after a DD, and Stone Edge's high crit rate can also be a life saver. It comes down to personal preference, though. You lack Stealth Rock, which is pretty much a necessity on every team, and can help your sweepers nail some KOs. So, I'd recommend changing your Heatran to a Passho Berry set, which survives Surfs from nearly every Water type out there, and Explodes. This easily opens up sweeps for Gyarados and Tyranitar, and is great for removing troublesome Pokemon like Life Orb Starmie, who seems like it could give your team a beating. A set of Fire Blast/Explosion/Earth Power/Stealth Rock should work well. Since you now lack a revenge-killer, I'd suggest trying out a Scarf Rotom-w over your current set. This guy is great for revenge-killing DD Gyara and SD Lucario, and also does a truckload to DD Kingdra with Thunderbolt, which makes it easy pickings for your other Pokemon. It also makes a great check to all types of Infernape, who 1-2HKO the majority of your team barring Gyarados, who gets worn down easily due to Stealth Rock. Rotom-w is preferred for its ability to hit Tyranitar switch-ins for hard damage with Hydro Pump. The moveset is Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Hydro Pump/Trick. If you decide not to use a Scarf Rotom, Will-O-Wisp is definitely worth trying out on it, as it permanently cripples shit like Tyranitar or Flygon looking for a switch-in, while Reflect's effects are only temporary. If you're really paranoid about giving Heatran a free switch-in though, then Reflect is still a solid choice. Nice team, and gl! |
Firstly, as you don't have a rapid spinner I suggest changing a few things on gyrados. Assuming the oponent has stealth rocks up, then gyrados is not going to be switchin in much. So I suggest more ev's into attack. The 96 defence ev's are there to stop quick attack CB scizor 2hkoing you, I havn't seen quick attack on scizor since platinum, and it's still not going to OHKO you anyway.
Next I think you have too much wasted speed really, you only need to aim for over 394 speed after a dragon dance. 168 ev's will put you at 264 speed, which after a dragon dance makes 396 speed, just beating jolteon and aerodactyl. Then I would put the extra ev's you have saved into attack, giving you a spread of: 156 hp/184 attack/168 speed The extra attack will help Ko weakened vaporeons/suicune ect. I wouldn't use bounce personally. For example, if you are in against a starmie, and I know you have bounce, I can easilly predict the bounce and go to my magnezone. Then as you come down, you hit magnezone for a 4 times resisted attack, while magnezone hit's you for a 4 times supereffective attack. But any pokemon with a restance to flying can switch in, as you bounce up and then ur forced to stay in, forced to use a resisted attack and then forced to die. Also I can see you like accuracy over power. But on tyranitar, I would recomend stone edge as it's your best bet at 2hkoing bulky waters e.g. vaporeon, suicune, seeing as they wall both your sweepers without it. Lasty I recomend you get stealth rocks somewhere, it's the best move in the game and you should really use it. The best place would be on heatran over hp grass. Hp grass isn't 2hkoing bulky waters like vaporeon, and you can always explode on them anyway. |
As shown in the synergy chart, this team has a huge weakness to Water-type moves. In particular, Life Orb Starmie can easily 2HKO every member, allowing it to make a clean sweep after a bit of residual damage. Infernape is also a major threat; although you list Gyarados as an Infernape counter, it simply does not serve that purpose well. A large number of Infernapes run either Stone Edge or Thunderpunch, meaning even Gyarados is going to be taking huge damage.
To help you take Water attacks and retain the ability to stop Gyarados, try out a Celebi in place of Rotom: Celebi @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP/224 SAtk/32 Spd Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Thunder Wave - Recover - Hidden Power [Fire] I prefer this set because of the extra power and ability to OHKO Scizor after Stealth Rock with Hidden Power, but the standard Defensive set is also an option. Speaking of Stealth Rock, you don't have a user of it on this team! You absolutely have to have a team member to set up Stealth Rock on any competitive team, as the entry damage is invaluable. I would recommend switching out the Anti-Lead Gallade. I know that you're satisfied with its performance, but it can't set up Stealth Rock and a Choice Scarfed Pokemon like Heatran isn't a good option to carry it either. Try out a TrickScarf Uxie in its place: Uxie @ Choice Scarf Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP/104 Def/152 Spd Impish nature (+Def, -SpA) - Trick - Thunder Wave - Stealth Rock - U-Turn Uxie matches up better against more leads than Gallade. It's somewhat of an anti-lead and a Stealth Rocker all in one. Against both faster leads with Taunt, and slower, bulkier leads, Trick will most likely end up crippling your opponent. Thunder Wave can then be used on the switch to paralyze anything that comes in, while U-Turn gives you a more fluid way to switch. Good luck with your team! |
Stone Edge > Rock Slide, Rock Slide still has 10% chance to miss, and the difference in power is very helpful, plus it might give you some crit hax which is awesome.
And i'd say Fire Punch > Aqua Tail, but then you'll lose coverage against some Pokemon, but will give you advantage over Scizor, Forretress, and Breloom. |
Hi,
I think most of what could be changed has been said, but I'll just say a few things- First is for your Gallade - I think a Lum Berry would be more beneficial. I dont know if losing Life Orb makes you lose any KO's, but I think Lum Berry would be better so that you can beat Roserade more easily. I also dont get the point of Earthquake because it has similar coverage with Fighting which Gallade gets STAB on...so switch Earthquake to Close Combat. All the leads you supposedly Earthquake beat you anyway...like Jirachi and Metagross. The exception is Heatran who gets raped by CC anyway. Close Combat gives you another (better) STAB move to use outside of the lead position should you still be alive. On Tyranitar I dont think Lum Berry is the right way to go...very few trainers will status Tyranitar barring a burn...which will almost always come from Rotom as you said. Between Gliscor and Heatran non choice Rotoms (aka the ones that might go for a burn) are very well handled. Scarfed versions are set up fodder for TTar and also well covered by Gliscor and Heatran depending on the move used. I would either suggest a set of DD / Stone Edge / Crunch / Aqua Tail @ Life Orb for a better stall breaker / powerhouse that is easier to revenge...or DD / Stone Edge / Crunch / Fire Punch @ Babiri Berry for a more reliable sweeper that is a little worse against stall but harder to revenge kill. I prefer Babiri but you can probably deal with Scizor well enough to go for the Life Orb set, your choice. I like the idea of SR over HP Grass on Heatran. As previously stated your HP Grass wont be doing memorable damage to anything except Swampert who can be tanked / burned by Rotom or KO'd by Gallade. Forcing a switch with Heatran is a great place to go for the SR and is the only way i see SR working into your team. This of course means WoW > Reflect on Rotom...you have Heatran covered really well. I am a huge fan of Taunt Toxic Gliscor and love seeing him on your team, but I'd like to talk about EVs here. Your spread of 252 HP / 40 def / 212 Speed only uses 504 EVs and ties with Jolly Lucario which is no good...at least go for 216 speed evs. That being said, 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Speed is a superior spread because those 40 Defense evs dont do much and being able to beat most opposing Gliscors is HUGE, especially for your team because they could be problematic for both Gallade and Tyranitar. Thats all I have...good luck going forward! |
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Yeah, i hate using bounce too, its so predictable or at least can be revenge killed because the pokemon is slower -.-. Return is a superior choice ;D Many raters have suggested Stone Edge, i will try that out soon enough. As for the Stealth Rocks, Good Idea, Hp grass doesn't have uses anyways while i can just go "Boom". Thanks For Rating! Quote:
On Uxie, Gallade > Uxie, Gallade can do more during mid game while uxie just SPAM U-turns and Thunder-waves and than being my death fodder. Thanks for the rating though! Quote:
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Interesting about Babiri Berry, With that, i don't need to always Depend on Rotom-H to do his Job =). Lum berry helps me on those Nasty T-waves, Toxic and Burns to protect me from getting Status :D. Yeah. Hp grass doesn't have any uses while i can just go "Boom". After some testing, i prefer SR > Hp Grass :D. 252 Hp/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe, Not bad eh? i will try that out and see any results =) Thanks For Rating! |
You can delete your own posts. Anyway why not run psycho cut over zen headbutt on gallade? It has better accuracy and a nice crit rate as a bonus. Of course if zen headbutt nets some kos that psycho cut doesn't you should keep it.
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I find Fire Punch on Tyranitar to be a bit better. It hits Scizor switchins, Jirachi, Skarmory, Forretress, Breloom (Which resists all 3 of its moves) and plenty more, proving to eb the better choice over Aqua Tail.
Furthermore, Stone Edge is much better than Rock Slide. Using Rock Slide will cause you to miss plenty OHKOs, and the flinch rate is terrible anyways, so you wont be flinching much. Rock Slide is also inaccurate, having 95% of accuracy, so it's not much better in that department either. On Gallade, I'm going to have to agree, Psycho Cut is much better. On Rotom, try using Will-o-wisp over Reflect Will-o-wisp is the same thing, but causes HP decrease and lasts linger, as it is infinite until heal Bell/Aromatherapy is used. As for Heatran and Gliscor, try putting SR on Gliscor and HPGrass in SR's place on Heatran, it will prove to be a far better option. Bounce on Gyarados could also help, but it really only helps with Celebi. That's it for my rate, hope I helped. |
You have a huge weakness to Water types which are on practically every team these days. I suggest replacing Rotom with a Leech Seed Shaymin. This gives you a check to most Water types while keeping the HP draining property of Pain Split which you seem to love. Shaymin can also check a lot of the things you use Rotom to check. Shaymin also helps you take out Swampert if Gallade doesn't manage to do so.
Shaymin @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 76 SAtk / 180 Spd Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Seed Flare - Protect - Leech Seed - Hidden Power Fire 180 speed is enough to outrun Jolly Lucario. Although this isn't necessary, I think you should try LO Aerodactyl over Gliscor. It has great synergy with Tyranitar and is an awesome late game cleaner, especially since Tyranitar can weaken most of Aerodactyl's counters. Gliscor and Aerodactyl have similar typing but Aerodactyl gains the SDef boost from Sandstorm. Aerodactyl @ Life Orb Ability: Pressure EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Stone Edge - Earthquake - Roost - Taunt |
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252 Atk Gallade Vs Machamp: Psycho Cut vs Machamp: 92.4% - 109.4% Zen Headbutt vs Machamp: 106.3% - 125.2% (100% To KO) See that, Zen Headbutt > Psycho Cut. Superior Choice. Thanks For Rating. Quote:
Fuck FOR SAKE, Everyone WAS RATING ME TO REMOVE HP GRASS FOR STEALTH ROCK BECAUSE I CAN GO "BOOM" So STOP ASKING ME TO REPLACE THAT. Gliscor is a stall-breaker, so he needs all of the moves ;D.. Bounce on Gyarados is Explained, its WAAAAY To predictable when he can get revenge killed by Slower Pokemon when bounce gets its 2nd Turn, so no. WoW is good, i have been testing, yeah, i might go for it.. Thanks For RATING! Quote:
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Thanks For Rating!! Sorry for being Nasty, i'm just bored or in a bad mood :X.. Guys, more rates pls, i know this TEAM is far from perfect. After some Testing, I FOUND OUT that I HAVE A MASSIVE OFFENSIVE SUICUNE, Empoleon and Vaporeon Weakness, Any Help Guys? and also, don't think of me using Stone edge, Check this Log Out. Start of turn 7 Tyranitar used Stone Edge! The attack of Tyranitar missed! The foe's Suicune used Hydro Pump! It's super effective! Tyranitar lost 276 HP! (80% of its health) The sandstorm rages! The foe's Suicune is buffeted by the sandstorm! Azlanslayer-Testing: oh Wow Start of turn 8 Tyranitar used Stone Edge! The attack of Tyranitar missed! The foe's Suicune used Ice Beam! Tyranitar lost 23 HP! (6% of its health) Tyranitar fainted! That was Bullshit, i hate STONE Edge Missing so No STONE EDGE, and thanks for rating Legend killer and phillip, You guys ROCK! |
Why don't you just use Azelf lead and then you can give Heatran HP grass to help with water types? I don't see how a scarf Tran with SR is going to help you much. It solves your SR issue and helps with your water type issue.
As others have mentioned try using Bounce/Stone Edge/EQ over Return Gyarados. Return has minimal coverage and should only be used if you have Priorty/Stab/bad move pool. I dont see the need for it. Tyranitar wants Fire punch or EQ over Aqua tail. I think EQ is the best option so you can deal with Heatran and other Steel types who would otherwise wall you. Also try using Life orb > Lum Berry so you can get some more power on your attacks. Lastly on Tyranitar Stone edge> Rock slide. The accuracy is hurtful but the power that is made up for it won't disappoint. Finally Try running WoW or Substitute over reflect on Rotom. I have actually found some nice results using this Rotom set Rotom-A@Leftovers Timid~Levitate ~Thunderbolt/Discharge -Shadow Ball -Substitute -WoW |
Pretty Solid Team Dude, Yes Tyranitar Is A Damn Beast(DD Is Good But BOAH IS THE BEST!)
Moving On, I Don't Like The Rotom. I Honestly Would Change It. How About Double Status, It Is Actually Awesome I Use It In Nearly Every Team, It Just Cripples Everything. Here Is The Set: Any Form @Leftovers Bold Nature 252 hp 252 def Shadow Ball HP Fighting Thunder Wave Will-O-Wisp Or: Rotom-F @Leftovers 252 hp/ 252 def Bold Nature Discharge/Thunder Bolt Blizzard Will-O-Wisp Toxic/ThunderWave Depends If You Wanna Defeat Stallers Or Not. If You take The Double Status Rotom I'd Take Toxic Off Gliscor, Add In rocks Then Put HP grass on tran, Then You Have Solved Ur Problem. The Gallade Lead xD Is Pro. Pro Like Shuckle Pro Nice Team :) |
Hey, I got your VM so here I am.
First off, you have a massive Offensive Suicune weakness. To fix this I suggest changing your current Rotom to: Rotom-W @ Leftovers Levitate / Timid 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe or 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe - Thunderbolt - Shadow Ball - Hydro Pump / Pain Split - Will-O-Wisp / Reflect With this set, you retain most benefits you have with your current Rotom, but you also gain an Offensive Suicune and Adamant Lucario check. Obviously you would use WOW and Hydro Pump with the first spread and Pain Split and Reflect with the second spread. About the first spread, I know you hate giving Heatran Flash Fire boosts with WOW, thats why you would switch over to a Rotom-W (whom Heatran fears due to Hydro Pump). The second spread takes a more defensive approach, if that's what you're into. Also, you really need to get rid of one of your water-weak pokemon, otherwise you're going to keep getting run over by anyone with an offensive Water-type. Personally, I would like to see you change your Stallbreaker Gliscor to a Stallbreaker Skarmory, this is the set: Skarmory @ Leftovers Keen Eye / Calm 252 HP / 72 SpD / 184 Spe - Taunt - Roost - Toxic / Spikes / Whirlwind - Toxic / Spikes / Whirlwind Does the same basic thing as Gliscor does, but prevents you from getting water-raped. The EVs are to outspeed Adamant Tyranitar, you can drop the speed a bit and add more to SpD if you want. The Calm nature is to lower your Atk so you hurt less during confusion. The last two slots are up to you really, I don't really like Toxic, but you probably need it. Finally two nitpicks: "184 Speed allows Dragonite to outrun 16 Spe Suicune (who aims to outrun 4 Spe Rotom)" - I think you mean Gyarados. and your Gliscor is missing 4 EVs which should be in speed, this won't matter if you decide to use Skarmory, but I thought I'd let you know. Good luck, I'll see you on PO. |
Hey, solid team, not much I can say because all the above rates have covered the most important points.
I think you're weak to Offensive Life Orb Starmie, you're best shot against it, is exploding on it with Heatran, which isn't always a good idea, seeing as he is your revenge killer, and may open you up to other things. Starmie, Hydro Pumps the shit out of Rotom-W(easy 2HKO), Gliscor, Tyranitar, Gyarados is handled by ThunderBolt, Heatran goes down no matter what (if you explode), Gallade may be down seeing as he's in the lead spot. Specially based Life Orb Flygon, something thats getting popular, is also troublesome, as he can dent pretty much everything on your team, with a full powered Draco Meteor, and everything that can take a Draco meteor, goes down to Earthquake. To fix the Life Orb Starmie problem, and the Life Orb Flygon problem, try a Life Orb Shaymin over Gliscor. Give Shaymin, 252satk/252spe with a timid nature, and the moves, seed flare, hp ice, earth power, rest. With rest you can keep Shaymin healthy to take on threats like Starmie better and KO with seed flare, since specially based flygon only uses 176 speed, you outspeed and KO with HPice. Obviously with Gliscor gone,you lose a very good Agility Metagross check. To remedy this, definitely try the Rotom-W set suggested by Kokoloko. I know you hate will-o-wisp, but it will weaken Metagross to the point it can be handled by another member of the team (if it doesn't have thunderpunch, Gyarados can take it on, without too much difficulty, without zen headbutt Rotom beats him usually, both scenarios considering he's burnt ). In terms of synergy, Shaymin forms the famous Fire/water/grass core with Heatran/Gyarados. Most importantly, Shaymin gives you another water-type resist, according to the type chart, you have 3 water type weak Pokemon and one resist in Gyarados, who can't really repeatedly switch-in thanks to SR, so Shaymin really comes in handy with an additional water type resist Thats all I got, GL |
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First of all, I like your name change! But onto the team... The biggest weakness you have is obviously to any Water-type, which you can easily see through your type chart. Offensive Suicune, LO Starmie, DD Gyarados all basically sweep you clean (and can come in/set up on Heatran easily), which is a huge bust. A few people have suggested a Grass-type in Gliscor's place to help this problem, but I feel like that opens you to another problem: stall teams. Without Gliscor, you really are looking at some big stall problems, seeing as stall always packs answers to your offensive duo (Gyarados and Tyranitar). With that in mind, here are the alternative changes I recommend: I would like to suggest that you change your Heatran to Passho Berry Heatran with the same moves you currently have. The set is: Heatran @ Passho Berry Hasty / Naive, 4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SpA -Fire Blast / Flamethrower -Earth Pwer -Stealth Rock -Explosion To compliment this change, I would change your Rotom to Scarf Rotom instead with this specific set: Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf Timid, 4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SpA -Thunderbolt -Shadow Ball -Hidden Power [Ice] / Hydro Pump -Trick Let me explain these changes. First of all, Passho Heatran will allow you to get your Stealth Rock up safely, while not being complete Water-type bait. If Starmie comes in, you can just Explode in its face without putting the other members of your team at risk of a STAB Hydro Pump. With that change, though, you lose your revenge killer, which is where the Rotom change comes in. Scarf Rotom will enable you to revenge-kill the problematic Water-types for your team, while also providing Trick to screw over Pokemon like Crocune or Calm Mind Wish Jirachi (who also gives you some major problems if your Heatran is taken out). It also allows you to continue checking Pokemon like Lucario which Scarf Heatran used to check. The option of Hydro Pump and HP Ice is up to you, but I prefer HP Ice on your team, because Dragon Dance Dragonite could potentially give you hell otherwise. These changes will also give you more options to screw with bulky and stally teams. I think you'll see a significant increase in the success of your team with these two simple changes. Best of luck! |
Looks like a great team.
I'm gonna second using Passho Heatran over Scarftran, simply for the ability to set up Stealth Rock without getting locked in, and for baiting in Starmie for the kill. Instead of scarfed Rotom-W, I suggest you use a scarfed Rotom-H instead. This way, you can check the same threats that Scarftran checks, most importantly Lucario. Without a SpDef drop from Close Combat, T-bolt does 75% max to Lucario, not a very reliable check. Overheat easily OHKO's though. Gliscor needs 216 Speed EVs to outrun Lucario. I'm really not seeing the merits of Return over Bounce on Gyarados. The only real reason to use Return over EQ in the first place is to hit Dragonite, Gyarados, Zapdos, and Celebi. Bounce hits three of the four harder than Return, and gives you valuable Lefties recovery and a nice paralysis chance. Other than that this team looks great. |
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