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Attack! (Modified HO Strategy)

.: Attack! Mission Statement :.

Wow it's been a while since I have posted a RMT... any way this is my 4th entry, "Attack!". This time I based the team build off of a modified "Hyper Offensive" Strategy, Employing HO's famous ability to scare off an opponent and gain a free turn of boost, then wreaking havoc among the opponent's roster. However unlike most HO teams this one doesn't focus on bulk at all and relies more on speed to get the job done fast. It also features an Electivire who brings a bit more to the chaos when he switches in.

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Currently I'm trying to find the weak points and then revamp the team as necessary, I'm defiantly not going to object to Pokemon switches if you think a different Pokemon will benefit the team more. Please reply, rate, and help me out with building the Team.

(I have noticed a slight DD Gyrados weakness.)

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Any scarfed pokemon with a higher speed stat, such as flygon or jirachi could cause problems with that electivire, although you do at least have 3 ground resists which works nicely. CB scizor, who isn't weak to any of his attacks can OHKO with superpower, possibly OHKO with U-turn (89.7% - 105.8%) and 2hko with any other move. So I suggest you at least replace one of his moves with fire punch to avoid this, or go for a mixed attacker with flamethrower.
He also isn't a great DD gyarados check due to the fact that no DD gyarados would switch in on him, and if you switch in on the dragon dance then he outspeeds you and will most likely OHKO you first unless it's a bulky variant, in which case waterfall will only do 87.3% - 102.7% so there's still a chance he will if he doesn't switch.

I think if you maybe put a choice scarf on your starmie, or on your gengar (replacing a move with thunderbolt) then you would have a lot less to fear from gyarados.

Other than that, nice team!

Ummm...not to nitpick but I agree with above in that mixed>physical for Electivire. Scizor can tear through most of your team save Scizor himself, and hitting it with Flamethrower is a big plus. Swampert gives it troubles but meh, that's what Starmies and Gengars live to get rid of.

Oh, and Tailwind seems unnecessary unless you really need Dragonite to get off a really quick DD and Rosst in Starmie's face.

The reason you haven't won any speed ties with opposing aero is that they almost all run jolly.

Hi good team here. I am not a veteran here or anything, but have you tried a life orb Gyarados? He has great synergy with E-vire, and is unstoppable after two DD's.

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Originally Posted by Fat qwertytommy (Post 2931508)

CB scizor, who isn't weak to any of his attacks can OHKO with superpower, possibly OHKO with U-turn (89.7% - 105.8%) and 2hko with any other move.

He also isn't a great DD gyarados check due to the fact that no DD gyarados would switch in on him, and if you switch in on the dragon dance then he outspeeds you and will most likely OHKO you first unless it's a bulky variant, in which case waterfall will only do 87.3% - 102.7% so there's still a chance he will if he doesn't switch.

Yea so far I haven't had to many issues with CB scizor because they will generally go for the Super Power and I just switch in Gengar grabbing the free turn to Sub and sweep, however I can see how FP could be helpfull (maybe drop cross chop for it, between Fire Punch and EQ I would be hitting roughly the same things)

As for Checking DD Gyarados Evire can potentialy 6-0 a team, you can only hide your Gyarados for so long untill he has to come out. If Evire gets KO'ed then I can switch to Starmie on the free turn and pick up my sweep where I left off. The only time I have really had an issue with DD Gyarados is one switching in to eat BP from Scizor then DDancing on the switch. I know a scarf would fix it but it also hinders a lot of my teams ability to sweep effectively

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Originally Posted by Fat min min (Post 2931530)

Well I don't particularly like using his mix set on account of his physical stat giving much more damage, the requirement to take points out of speed (more initial speed means motor drive is more effective), and you can run moves that hit for the same type on either, however I wll try it out later today (I have work in 30min whoot -_-.) As for Tailwind, it is there to allow me to Outspeed anti leads that may still be alive OR use Starmie to RK lead Starmie with out risk of speed tie.

Why is Aerodactyl running Aqua Tail? Aqua Tail hits ... Aerodactyl and Heatran. Aerodactyl is stone edge'd and heatran is earthquaked anyway ... i recommend you use the standard Stone Edge / Earthquake / Taunt / SR set. even if you use tailwind right as you die you only have 2 turns to abuse it and if you don't use it as you die, 1 turn. + Taunt can stop azelf setting rocks which greatly helps dnite.

I've noticed that you've listed the reason for Gengar's addition to the team as "adding a bit of bulk." While Gengar can indeed be difficult to handle behind a Substitute, it is really only safe switching in on one of its immunities, as most neutral attacks will deal heavy damage to it.

Since you've also mentioned Gyarados as a potentially difficult threat to handle, I'd like to suggest trying out a Celebi over Gengar's spot:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/224 SAtk/32 Spd
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Hidden Power [Fire]

This is basically the Tinkerbell set from the analysis page, but I added in max HP EV's and Leftovers for some extra bulk. Celebi does well against most variants of Gyarados, either crippling them with Thunder Wave or 2HKO'ing with Grass Knot after Stealth Rock damage. Recover ensures some extra durability, and Hidden Power Fire will OHKO Scizors trying to U-turn on you.

Good luck with your team!

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Originally Posted by Fat ThePowerWithin (Post 2932383)

What about hippowdon and gliscor?

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Originally Posted by Fat ThePowerWithin (Post 2932383)

Yea exactly what sora said. I get a better overall coverage out of AT/EQ than I do out of SR/EQ and this Aerodactyl is a bluff (Not to mention a LOT of people will switch out to soemthing that could eat an SR with NVE damage, since they dont expect aquatail it is a great neutral move to hit a lot of switchins with). he is ment to hit the opponent first NOT try and prevent their set up. the Taunt build is something to consider but not my first choice for this team. If anything I would rather pick up a new lead.

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Originally Posted by Fat Faladran (Post 2932423)

Cool suggestion, I'll try this out tonight HOWEVER it may be to much of a bulk based Pokemon and not enough in the way of offense, this is a HO based team so everything in it must be an immediate threat capable of sweeping. If i drop gar for a different poke i think the best bet is a scarfed RK'er.

Thanks so far for all the suggestions and comments. Please keep them coming!