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Infernape
Surprised no one has made a thread about one of the most used pokemon in Gen IV. This thread is intended to stir up discussion of Infernape's uses in Gen V. http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/wp-c...010/09/392.png Name: Infernape Type: Fire/Fighting Base Stats: 76/104/71/104/71/108 Ability: Blaze - When this pokemon's HP hits below 1/3, it's Fire power increases by 1.5 Iron Fist - The power of punching moves are increased 20%. Movepool:
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Comments: Well it seems my favorite pokemon has been usurped thanks to Speed Boost Blaziken, but fear not fellow Infernape fans! Infernape will still have its uses. For one, it has the immediate speed advantage over Blaziken and it also still has a much wider movepool. Iron Fist now makes Fire Punch base 90 power giving Infernape a much more non-self destructive STAB albeit at a lower base power and without Blaze. Let's not forget the new Cheer Up which boosts Atk and Sp Atk, furthering Infernape's mix attacking capabilities. It's not all easy for Infernape though. New pokemon like the new ghosts Shanderraa and Burunkerru resist both his STABs as well. Infernape though is still a menacing threat that is hard to predict, tread wisely when you face it. Potential Movesets: Infernape @ Life Orb Ability: Blaze Nature:Naive (+Spd, -Sp Def) EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Sp Atk / 192 Spd -Nasty Plot -Fire Blast/Flamethrower -Close Combat -Grass Knot Set Up MixApe, something Infernape can still over Blaziken. Nasty Plot could be dropped for something like HP Ice for Salamence and the like but you'd sacrifice the stat up. Fire Blast is preferred over Flamethrower because of the sheer power it provides in conjunction with Nasty Plot. Shanderra unfortunately walls every move and just like last gen, Tentacruel and Starmie will still give you problems as well. Speed can be adjusted accordingly, this will allow Infernape to tie neutral max EV +1 Tyranitar. I would like to include sets that Infernape does uniquely and not outclassed by Blaziken. Speed tiers can be found here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...CJWez7gB#gid=0 Conclusion: What role will Infernape have in Gen 5? Will it be totally replaced by Blaziken? Can it still be viable in OU? What will it now counter? What will it now be countered by? |
Its more like this:
Infernape@Life Orb Ability: Blaze EVs: 64 Atk/ 244 SAtk, 200 Spe Nature: Hasty/Naive Moves: Cheer Up Fire Blast Close Combat Hidden Power Ice Cheer Up is your mixed stat sweeper boost thing. Fire Blast and Close Combat hit for STAB and different sides of the spectrum. HP ice is to rape Randorosu the 101 base speed Ground/Flying poke, which is also why I run 200 Spe with Naive/Hasty. Infernape@Life Orb Ability: Iron Fist EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 Hp Nature: Jolly Moves: Swords Dance Fire Punch Mach Punch Close Combat/Stone Edge This set takes advantage of Iron Fist, boosting Fire Punch and Mach Punch to insane levels. Now Mach Punches do 64 Damage with STAB and Fire Punches do 120 Damage with STAB. Close Combat is your best move, 120 BP with Swords Dance and STAB hits like a truck against anything that doesn't resist/immune to it. Stone Edge takes care of Flying types. |
Infernape, for the most part, is outclassed by Blaziken. He has higher Attacking stast(120/110), Sowrds Dance, and Speed Boost, which make up for the lack of coverage that Infernape has over him.
Infernape has one thing though; He can lead a Team Better. Infernape @ Focus Sash Blaze 64 Attack / 252 Sp.Atk / 192 Speed Naive (+Speed -Sp.Def) ~Fake Out ~Close Combat ~Fire Blast ~Stealth Rock Speed Boost and SR is an Illegal combo on Blaziken, and Infernape also gets Fake Out, which lets him stop Focus Sash Leads better than Mach Punch due to it's Flinch. |
^I'm hearing different things about breeding Dream World Abilities.
If it's true, I just realized that Infernape would not be able to use Iron Fist with Fire Punch and Thunder Punch which makes the ability redundant... |
I guess Infernape sets will all have to use Thunderpunch/Grass Knot, or else Burunkeru will wall it to no end.
Anyway, I agree with Manaphy that it's still a potent lead- specially since it can OHKO Erufuun. It will have a few problems with the Espeon and its new ability, though. |
Breeding Dream World abilities hasn't been fully tested yet, but everything points to it being possible.
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My Bad; Blaziken doesn't even learn Stealth Rock.
So Infernape would be a better lead no matter what. :< |
Infernape sucks now. It is outclassed.
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Infernape had its fun this gen, but its new and improved big brother, Blaziken is back to take its crown this gen! Though still, he is still a force to be dealt with. he can now use mixed sets better now, with Cheer up.
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I read somewhere Speed Boost doesn't activate upon switching in, is that right?
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Infernape's better movepool is rather subsided by the fact that Blaziken has much better offensive stats(120/110 compared to 104/104), and that goes even further with Swords Dance. The immediate damage you talked about would make Infernape more of a revenge killer, since any switch-in Infernape has(if any, with his frailness) is easily done better by Blaziken.(who is also Bulkier) After that, the opponent would most likely switch out, letting Blaziken get to +1 Speed and immediately be better than Infernape in all aspects. |
I think he has more value as a Choice Scarfer, since he'll initially have higher speed he can revenge kill threats more easily than Blaziken, who has to wait a turn to speed up.
Also Close Combat is far more reliable for late game cleaning than Superpower or High Jump Kick @manaphy -- Blaziken's superior bulk to Infernape's is so miniscule that it's hardly worth mentioning |
Infernape@Choice Scarf
Naive; 6 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Speed HP Ice U-Turn Fire Blast Close Combat This Infernape takes advantage of its initially higher speed, mixed offenses, access to U-Turn, and a solid fighting move in the form of CC to distinguish itself from Blaziken. HP Ice lets it revenge the many dragons scampering about, while U-Turn lets it scout its switch-ins. Fire Blast is powerful STAB that allows it to deal consistent damage, and has the advantage of revenging fast Steels that other Scarfers have trouble with, such as Jirachi and Metagross. Close Combat is in the last slot as an excellent fighting attack to punish a wider variety of opponents such as Blissey and Sazandora, but should be used carefully. |
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And Yeah, Infernape does seem like a good Choice Scarfer. The Scarf Set seems like a good check to Blaziken. |
Infernape could take care of Shanderaa by using Earthquake and Stone Edge, both are super effective, essentially nullifying the fact that it resists both its stabs, because it will like get OHKO'd anyway if running an offensive set.
Sooo.. Infernape @ Choice Band/Scarf. Ability: Iron Fist. 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe. Jolly/Adamant Nature. -Fire Punch. -Close Combat. -Thunder Punch/Stone Edge. -U-turn. Coverage should be perfect with so many moves, U-turn to scout, especially with Shadow Tag Shanderaa threatening you as it can come in on both STABs. Stone Edge vs Thunder Punch.. Basically, depends on what you hate the most. Unless I'm forgetting something, you'll have perfect neutral coverage. This is based on the assumption that Infernape can use its Egg moves and Dream World ability. I realize it might not be ideal, but I've always been a fan of physical Infernape. |
@Icyman
I don't think you need to invest the full 252 in Speed. 212 puts him at 501, which is faster than ScarfChomp, and that's all he really needs to out speed unless those handful of 105's decide to Scarf it up. Thanks to that you can put the rest in Attack to boost U-Turn and Close Combat. |
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How viable would a Focus Punch + Iron Fist set be? Focus Punch becomes a 180BP move with STAB, which would wreck quite a few Pokemon outright. Switch in on something like the Grass/Steel, who can't do much to Infernape, and start firing FPs at anything that moves.
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Meaning that the difference between Close Combat and Focus Punch isn't that big. LO Close Combat + STAB = 234 BP. Focus Punch + STAB + Iron Fist = 270 BP. So you're actually trading the reliability of Close Combat and an additional coverage move for 36 BP on your main STAB move. You could run without Substitute and Leftovers and go for a 351 BP Focus Punch, but if your opponents decides to stay in and attack.. You're screwed because Infernape just isn't that sturdy and will likely die soonafter. |
Shouldn't 'Nape be running max speed now there are so many base 108s?
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I find it odd Gamefreak didn't give 'Nape Limber. I mean, he is a monkey/ape mix after all. It would've given him a little edge over Blaziken too, as both are stopped cold by Paralysis. Then again, this is Gamefreak logic.
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