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  1. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I'm pretty sure that isn't the definition of OU. To be fair, neither is the one I'm giving, but just for an example: there are 49 regular OUs, and 7 CaPs, for what one would assume makes a total of 56, assuming that an equal number of UUs moved up to OU as OUs moved down. Number 45 out of 56...
  2. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    That seems so extremely arbitrary to me. What exactly exempts Yanmega from being considered OU in CaP, besides the fact that it's UU in Regular and the number you put up solely to be intentionally higher than Yanmega's usage?
  3. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I've already said that I would argue against Hustle. As it should have been by EM's definition. Revenankh gets Shed Skin.
  4. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Considering there's 49 Pokemon in regular OU, I would say that qualifies it in a game with 7 more Pokemon.
  5. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I'm going to argue that Yanmega should be considered OU for the purposes of the CaP metagame. I guess this boils down to differing definitions here. Yanmega is UU in normal, but we aren't designing this Pokemon for the normal metagame, we're designing it for CaP, where Yanmega does get enough...
  6. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Are you ignoring the because? It's specifically talking about abilities that are undervalued because the Pokemon with them suck. This thread isn't for talking about what is and what isn't an undervalued ability, so I'm just abiding by what the concept states. I don't see how I can make it any...
  7. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I don't see where this interpretation of EM's concept is coming from. It outright gives the reasons for what he considers to be a neglected ability; "...isn't used because the other pokemon with this ability don't have the stats or movepool to make it work." Until EM or cyberzero tells me...
  8. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Personally? I agree. If we're going to vote for a concept, and then immediately ignore what it directly says, why vote for it? Those abilities should be ignored in favor of abilities that fall under the boundaries the concept set, and are even more neglected in that manner. Besides, Pyroak...
  9. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Dude, I'm not arguing the definition of neglected, quit driving a point I've already said I agree with. I'm arguing that it doesn't fall within the parameters set by the concept, which rather bluntly states that the ability in question is neglected because the Pokemon is bad. You can e-sarcasm...
  10. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Maybe I'm being too literal about the concept here, but it pretty specifically talks about abilities that are undervalued because the Pokemon that have them are, frankly, bad; they don't have the stats or moveset to use them effectively. Is Speed Boost better than Tinted Lens? No doubt. Is...
  11. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I'd say we follow EM's definition, since we voted for it. While it may not be ultra-specific, it gives a pretty definitive guideline that we can sort all abilities into. Yanmega CAN use Tinted Lens and make it work. It's undervalued, but not because the Pokemon that has it has a poor stat total...
  12. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    To quote the Concept: The concept revolves around good abilities with Pokemon who can't make them work because they just aren't good enough to compete in OU. Simply put, Yanmega can use Tinted Lens and be fine, it just has a better option. Nowhere in the concept does it say anything about...
  13. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    CS Yanmega?
  14. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Part 3 - Secondary Type Discussion

    While I personally think it's stupid to ignore flavor completely, I guess an answer would be that Electric/Grass with Sun has a solid special Grass STAB. Grass Knot is, as stated before, iffy at best, and Energy Ball is just lackluster. Pretty much nothing utilizes Solarbeam, and it's not...
  15. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    I don't think Tinted Lens should be considered a Neglected Ability. Sure, Yanmega has a far superior option, but fact is, a good Pokemon still has Tinted Lens, and that doesn't fly according to the literal wording of the concept. To be frank, I don't see the great utility of Shield Dust; the...
  16. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Part 3 - Secondary Type Discussion

    What does Electric/Dragon do better than Electric/Grass versus Arghonaut?
  17. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Yeah, there was a test of that a while back (if memory serves), and even with a downpowered Groudon/Kyogre with a five turn Sun/Rain, it was still devastatingly powerful. Well, I'm hopeful that it might some day work out. Kingdra is the perfect example of how a weather-sweeper can be brutally...
  18. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Part 3 - Secondary Type Discussion

    I dunno if I should put this here, but /Grass opens the door for all the Sun abilities. Something like Solar Power or Chlorophyll would definitely give a reason to carry Solarbeam. I know we're supposed to avoid talking about abilities here, but since the entire concept of this Pokemon hinges on...
  19. CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment

    Personally, I love all the Grass + Sun abilities. Chlorophyll, Flower Gift, Leaf Guard, and Solar Power are all interesting, but generally hampered by the fact that there's no permanent Sun, or for that matter, any good Pokemon (with the possible exception of Tangrowth) to utilize any of them...
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