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After witnessing this team play about 3 times, I saw that you play it extremely well, and have ways of getting rid of Infernape when it comes in. But, it cost you crippling a pokemon or sacrificing, which is okay, but in stall teams, the wrong sacrifice on the right team leaves a huge hole in...

Draco Meteor will do 33% more damage to Gyarados than Hidden Power Rock will.

Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Fire deserve mention on the Calm Mind sweeper set, especially over psychic, with so many steels and azelfs around now.

Actually, if you factor in how often OU Standard is played compared to the amount of Uber games, and that ubers often have to re-set them due to Forretress being prominant in stall teams, almost more than in Standard stall, and as Doug said, the people who just start and don't know anything pick...

Depending on the team, I have different methods. Stall teams take a long time and and a bit of commitment too actually build a successful one, what with plans to figure out how to bring down a aggressive offensive team, and to be able to cripple other stall teams, e.g. Trick Scarf Rotom-[x]...

I play balanced pretty well, my offensive style is crap. I can do a mean stall if Im not watching tv, or on aim. But that's not often.

regardless of him not being able to tell you what you can say, you look like a dumb ass saying Epic win, win win win. There isn't a scarf tran weakness until ttar is at 45% Whats the point of TPunch and stone edge on lucario. Ice Punch is better than tpunch

Epic

I think that adding Scarf Celebi or SubCM Timid Celebi will really help your team in terms of taking down Bulky Waters with Grass Knot as well as provide with a good amount of bulk. You have a gengar sprite for Lucario, xD

1) You can still send Heatran in on 3/4 standard attacks for pitiful damage. Your just trying to come up with someone doing something as stupifying as trying to predict a Heatran switch by Earth Powering a Celebi. And to that last comment in #1, that is a price, and either way, there is always...

Protect isn't on Celebi, and thats not smart either way

I was talking about revenge kill, first of all, and second of all, you can't randomly risk something trivial as Earth Powering a Levitator, because that can completely change momentum, which is very precious with a pokemon as offensive as Shaymin's Sky form

They directed people to do that -_-

I disagree about Skymin. Its easy to take out with all the ScarfTrans and Mamoswine being played, and the addition of viable priority to like every pokemon under the sun.

Shaymin Sky Form isn't as hard to take down as you would like to believe, it may get a kill, but a Scarf user or something bulky enough to take a hit while still OHKO'ing, will sufficiently do something to it. Its basically all revenge killing

There was already a split with Wi-Fi and Shoddy metagames before platinum lol

Doug are you gonna add Shaymin Sky Formes ability? Because AA and Colin didn't put it in

Matt, its not a hard core one, its a Set up Screens, Gliscor/Floatzel BP to Bibearal to and Top.

What hurts your team is a few things No Spin Blocker No Residual effects besides spikes and rocks and poison (coughsandstormcough) Something to set up SS can help out, such as bulky CB tar, or Hippowdon, and you need a spin blocker, who can also take care of your glass cannon team problems...

Jibaku seems determined to find every possible solution to it