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I'll try some of that out. That was a really helpful bit of feedback. Far more than I expected. The Chesto Rest Rotom seems like a great idea. The Gyarados slot is the one I'm waffling on and I'm still trying things. When I get done playing with my current test build, I'll try Kyu-B.

BOPDMS and Friends BOPDMS (pronounced Bopped Ems) is the creation of a user with the tag "Washed Laundry." I ended up using it in my team and it became the star of the show. I wish to give credit where credit is due. Hi. I'm a competitive player who's been around for awhile and has recently...

Completely depends on what your Defogger can do afterward or what options you have to punish their rock setter.

I think that line of thinking is a little on the fear mongering side. Spinners are going to have a hellish life due to the expected increase in Ghost type usage. Defog is going to cost you the turn you use to Defog and a turn to put up your own rocks. I'm fairly certain that suicide leads and...

Pokebank is, yknow, not out yet.

If it's a special attacker why not take less damage from confusion? You're more likely to be confused than to need to struggle.

IIRC, the Honedge line does not get the move. TTar should get it because it is in the same egg group as Tyrantrum and had it as an egg move last gen.

In an effort to redirect this torrent, how about compiling a list of viable OU Stealth Rock setters currently on cartridge? I will work on updating the thread OP when I wake up. At the moment, Aerodactyl can't get it on cart, which is a shame because I want to play with MegaAerodactyl sets...

That's going in the OP.

Jesus, I would rather see this thread closed than to hear anymore preaching from people who refuse to analyze the opposite side. If you're not going to give yourself a chance to change your mind, then don't post. WashedLaundry is the only one I've seen post who seems willing to do so. Can we...

It should never be that simple. You need to engineer a situation that lets you set it without getting baited into losing a pokemon for it or having to switch. You have to avoid taunt and Magic Bounce. You have to always remember it, especially with spinners and Defog. Your arguments against...

Counterpoint: I think the metagame would be better off with stealth rock.

What in the world sparked this discussion? You can't ban Stealth Rock because it cripples some Pokemon. You would have to ban every phasing move because it cripples set-up. You would have to ban Toxic because it hurts walls. You would need to ban U-Turn because it penalizes Psychic types...

Pretty sure no one was saying the move should be passed up this gen. People are only noting how limited our options are at the moment and what possible rock users we've gained.

Chesnaught can get spikes, not SR, if I remember correctly.

While not my original intent, listing what we still have in the current pre-pokebank game is interesting as well.

Read that before you post, please dear God. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Love it or hate it, Stealth Rock has been one of the most important moves for a few generations now. It's essential to most teams because of just how good it is at punishing switching and ensuring KOs. When you...

Hitmonchan is the fastest close to relevant Sub-Puncher you're going to get. He's 6 speed faster than Breloom, but the big deal there is that Hitmonchan gets Ice Punch. Also, you have special defense that Conkeldur lacks. But wore thin with the constant changes to the Chan set that lowered his...

While Scizor is more common than a nerd with no plans for the weekend, he's not nearly as threatening as Gliscor (albeit you can surf at some variants) and Lando-T. I may be limited in my answers for him with Magnezone and DNite, Magnezone is really damn good at his job. Especially since one of...

That's right. There he is in all his RU Glory. I know what you're all thinking and I'm sure that, on some level, you're probably right. However, there's no one Pokemon to replace Hitmonchan on this team. You would have to retool multiple things. This team has reached 1952 on the ladder and I'm...