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Chandelure is immune to Arena Trap.

Oh right In that case it really is just Bug Buzz to consider. Hardly anyone will be running Grasswhistle or Sing, far too unreliable. And no one ever bothers with stat reducing moves such as Growl.

Even better for Chandy that WOW got buffed to 85 accuracy :) I think the only other notable moves that can now bypass Sub are Roar and Perish Song, both of which can help with Subbed set up sweepers by either phasing or forcing them out.

I see what you mean. It all depends on what your team needs, but since such a wide variety of mons have viable Substitute sets, you can pick which Infiltrator gives you your best bang for your buck. Noivern and Crobat's great speed means they can be great revenge killers for a sweeper behind...

Scrappy Boomburst on Exploud is going to HURT Plus Bug Buzz being buffed (say that ten times fast) means that Volcorona and the other moths can deal with any Grass, Dark and Psychic mons trying to hide away.

Don't forget that behind a Sub Heatran will have to take the hit without 1/4 of its health, though a bit more from Leftovers added on.

I was trying to think of a Steel type that Chandy didn't already destroy with Fire Blast Heatproof Bronzong? Now it gets hit super effectively.

At least Chandelure can't be trapped itself now. And with Steel losing its resistance to Ghost, Heatran is less of a problem.

I guess Game Freak thought that they had to give the ability to something like a Mega Evo so they would seem powerful. Gengar was already powerful...:(

Being immune to Normal and Fighting types give it switch in opportunities. And Chandy doesn't get Shadow Tag anymore.

"As does Chandelure"

Mawile and Kangaskhan From NU all the way up to OU

Hey everyone. :) This is the thread for discussing which Pokémon will be part of this Gen's UU metagame. Not everything can be OU, be fear not, as this is exactly why we have UU for these Pokes to shine. We have new Pokémon as of Gen 6, and we also have potential drops from Gen 5 OU...

I could see Drifblim using this really well in NU It has that monster HP stat to survive a SE hit, use Weakness Policy, activate Unburden and then proceed to rape everything with now unresisted (bar Normal) Shadow Ball or powerful Acrobatics It can also Baton Pass to another mon when its...

That argument can be applied to ANY new Pokémon. If you have knowledge of Aegislash's sets then you can set up/ wall it. Same goes for many of the other Gen 6 pokemon. Doesn't stop them being potential OU Candidates.

I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Greninja The thing can OHKO Dragonite THROUGH Multiscale. And it has a unique speed tier that lets it out speed key threats. The 50% from Protean basically makes up for any sort of lacking offensive stats, and TBH Greninja shouldn't be...

Have the other trapping moves such as Whirlpool and Fire Spin been buffed as well?

Poor Breloom I can't think of any other Pokémon that got nerfed as hard as him this Gen.

Greninja will be OU. Protean is just that good. Spikes as well is the icing on the cake. Most likely Azumarill and Togekiss will go to OU with their new found typings. And Galvantula if Sticky Web is as good as it seems

Chandelure gets this ability as well. Expect that to see some usage with that Base 145 SpA able to go through Substitutes